America Debating "Bloody Nose" Limited Military Strike On North Korea

With North and South Korea set to meet tomorrow amid a hopeful climate of de-escalation and renewed diplomatic relations, the US government has decided to remind Kim Jong-Un that he may well be a dead man walking.

Confirming what the Telegraph reported  on December 20, the WSJ writes that  U.S. officials are debating whether it’s possible to mount a limited military strike against North Korean sites without igniting an all-out war on the Korean Peninsula.

The idea, which as we previously reported is also known as the “bloody nose” strategy, is simple in execution: as the WSJ describes the sequence of events, the US would react to some nuclear or missile test with a targeted strike against a North Korean facility to bloody Pyongyang’s nose and illustrate the high price the regime could pay for its behavior.

The hope would be to make that point without inciting a full-bore reprisal by North Korea. Of course, such a venture "is an enormously risky idea, and there is a debate among Trump administration officials about whether it’s feasible", especially when it comes to North Korea's neighbor to the south.

North Koreans have a vast array of artillery tubes pointed across the Demilitarized Zone at Seoul, the capital of South Korea, with which they could inflict thousands of casualties within minutes if they choose to unleash all-out barrage. Now, that danger is coupled with the risk that the North Koreans could attempt to use a nuclear weapon if they choose to escalate in retaliation to even a single strike.

What is perhaps most surprising, is that this debate was "leaked" to the WSJ just as the diplomatic situation with North Korea appeared to be making a turn into something productive, following last week's agreement for a meeting  between North and South Korea. As some have suggested, at this point it is almost in Trump's favor to accelerate a military showdown so as not to lose face if and when South Korea manages to reach some diplomatic arrangement with Pyongyang.

Such a debate also reflects how tense the situation remains, even though North Korea has scaled back the pace of its provocative actions in recent weeks and opened the door to diplomacy. As reported last week, officials from North Korea will meet their counterparts from South Korea on Tuesday in a village inside the DMZ separating the two Koreas, in talks that are to focus on the North’s possible participation in next month’s Winter Olympics in South Korea.

Those talks will mark the first high-level dialogue between the Koreas in two years. After almost a year of regular provocations from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, they are the first real sign that a diplomatic track is possible to begin de-escalating tensions over his nuclear and missile programs.

Here, if one assumes that the US perceives the summit between the two nations as the latest diplomatic threat to its regional influence, it would do everything to discredit it, and sure enough that's precisely the angle behind the WSJ piece:

North Korea wants the U.S. to forswear joint military activities with its South Korean ally in advance of talks, while the U.S. insists the goal of talks should be to eliminate North Korea’s nuclear arsenal, not merely to contain it. Each side finds the other’s conditions unacceptable.

Indeed, diplomats suspect North Korea’s engagement with South Korea is an attempt to drive a wedge between Seoul and its American allies, thereby reducing the possibility the U.S. could take any kind of military action against Pyongyang.

Whether the "bloody nose" rhetoric is just a bluff remains to be seen, but the US is desperate to become relevant again in the Korean diplomatic process.   Within the Trump administration, officials say, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis remain focused on trying to get a broader diplomatic effort under way to rein in the North Korean nuclear program. Meanwhile, as we predicted almost a year ago, National security adviser H.R. McMaster is arguing more vocally, publicly and privately, that military options need to be considered.

What will be the tie-breaker? According to the WSJ, "the wild card, as in all things in the Trump administration, is President Donald Trump himself." The president has signaled his own interest in a diplomatic track in the past. But he has also seemed to disavow Tillerson’s overtures on negotiations. And his recent tweet asserting that he has a “bigger” nuclear button than does Mr. Kim is, in the words of one experienced diplomat, the equivalent of “waving a red flag before a bull.”

The good news, at least for now, is that nothing is imminent: the U.S. hasn’t undertaken the kind of logistical preparations needed for a full-blown conflict on the Korean peninsula.

Still, as the continued talk of a “bloody nose” option suggests, that doesn’t mean one can’t happen. Thanks to the Olympics and the intra-Korean diplomatic opening, the next few months figure to be relatively calm according to the WSJ.

Some more good news: with the passage of the GOP tax cut, Trump's biggest legislative victory do date, the president no longer needs a major foreign diversion which tangentially, may have also bought Kim Jong-Un a few additional quarters reprieve.

But depending on what happens in Washington in the next few months, and "whether the diplomatic opening widens or not," mid-2018 could be a time of reckoning.

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caconhma Bes Mon, 01/08/2018 - 16:54 Permalink

Trump, his generals, and their Banking Mafia masters will burn in Hell after starting a nuke war. Thinking that they can hide and survive a nuclear war is a total lunacy.

However, it was the America nuclear warfighting doctrine for the last 70 years. JFK tried to stop it and was killed. 

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King of Ruperts Land sincerely_yours Mon, 01/08/2018 - 17:16 Permalink

If the US strikes North Korea, why wouldn't North Korea just strike back directly at the US? Why not "test" their next ICBM on a USA Nuclear Reactor or a myriad of other direct USA targets, such as an aircraft carrier or other forward military targets?

The only such "consideration" is being done by totally incompetent assholes who should be fired. Make peace already you fucking assholes before the American People make war on you!

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Krungle King of Ruperts Land Mon, 01/08/2018 - 17:45 Permalink

No need to hit the US. They can hit the South Korean nuclear plants with artillery or short range ballistic missiles and cause Fukushima level meltdowns. They can also probably hit some Japanese reactors. They wouldn't even need to do anything else--those meltdowns would likely cause both South Korea and Japan to become uninhabitable. That possibility never seems to come into discussion, but there has never been a massive modern war that had large, live nuclear reactors as targets. US forces missed a small research reactor in Iraq, but that is the closest the world has come to this situation. You have to be insane to even consider this.

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jeff montanye Krungle Mon, 01/08/2018 - 18:00 Permalink

"it is almost in Trump's favor to accelerate a military showdown so as not to lose face" is pretty much when i stopped expecting much value from the essay. it's that darn losing face thing that makes incineration of millions look appealing.

as trump crazy talk to distract one's allies, frenemies and foes, it is possibly useful.

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King of Ruperts Land Krungle Mon, 01/08/2018 - 18:34 Permalink

I just don't see the logic in North Korea hitting South Korea or Japan if the US strikes. I always hear the term "war on the peninsula". If the US strikes then it would be war in North Korea and the USA. Yes, they do need to hit the US and hurt them in a deadly but proportional way in response to any US strike. That will support the narrative that they are responsible nuclear nation, instead of a nuclear mad man menace to the world.

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Harry Lightning King of Ruperts Land Mon, 01/08/2018 - 18:11 Permalink

You're on the right track, the only fly in your ointment is that North Korea does not have the capability of delivering even a conventional warhead on those missiles, never mind something more sinister. 

What most people don't realize is how difficult it is to develop a missile program that actually hits what you want to hit with an explosive that explodes when you want it to explode. It takes hundreds of tests to get to that point. North Korea is not even close. 

Having said that it would be foolish to launch a limited attack against the Fat Slant. The result will be retaliation that will kill a lot of people, which then will escalate further until the US is nuking the living shot out of the North Koreans.

The Chinese have sent word to North Korea that they are an S.R.C.H. away from sending their army into North Korea and replacing the Kim family if they do anything else to antagonize the Americans. This is why the North Korean testing stopped and also why the talks are being proposed by the North with the South. The Chinese now recognize that their interests are best served if they stop Kim in his tracks rather than having to watch the US take out the North Koreans.

This whole matter gets resolved rather soon. If the negotiations with South Korea get no where, the Chinese army will be in North Korea very quickly. If the matter seems to be resolved in the bi-lateral negotiations between the two Koreas, then the new path will be tried and watched carefully and tensions will subside.

 

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Harry Lightning Dancing Disraeli Mon, 01/08/2018 - 19:43 Permalink

YOO WONG also. What Trump said about China to get elected is a lot different than what Trump has told them after being elected. At Mar A Lago, Trump and Xi agreed on a mutual arrangement that is beneficial to both countries. The Chinese will either end the reign of Kim in North Korea or not object to the US doing it, and they will allow more majority ownership of Chinese factories by American companies, all in exchange for the US not raising tariffs against the Chinese. The writing is all over every wall in the relationship of the two countries since. 

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Harry Lightning 07564111 Mon, 01/08/2018 - 19:39 Permalink

YOU are WRONG (translated into generic Chinese : YOO WONG) about what China said, probably because you relied on a Western language newspaper to translate the Mandarin for you.

What was said is that the China would not tolerate the US attacking North Korea without understandable provocation. The word used for provocation was an inclusive verb, suggesting verbal as well as physical provocation. It was actually a warning to North Korea that China considers the recent verbal belligerence of North Korea to be provocative and deserving of retaliation. 

China followed this up by building a highway from a remote part of China to the border of North Korea, a six lane heavy fortified highway that is completely unnecessary in the region unless China was planning to move heavy machinery into North Korea. Well considering the North Koreans have not contracted the Chinese to perform any heavy construction jobs for them, the only reason this highway was built was to transport military vehicles.

Then Trump received a very friendly welcome during his trip to China, one that would have been more fitting to what the Chinese would do to honor one of their own heroes. They surely would not have gone to that extreme had they been at odds with Trump over North Korea. What they were signalling was they were in unison with the US, not opposed.

After that, there was the Chinese Party Conference which was followed by China's harshest words ever to North Korea about the testing that had seemingly broken the mountain under which the tests were conducted, and sent some degree of radioactive fallout over Chinese land. Finally this past two weeks, the Chinese President told his military to prepare for war and to be honorable and aggressive. Being that there is no impending standoff with the US or any other Asian country, the only possible target for such words to the military could be the coming of action against North Korea. 

While all of this has been happening, the Fat Bastard in North Korea has been remarkably quiet, causing some to speculate he was ill or injured. Obviously, he knows the Chinese are angry with him and he is doing everything possible not to make them angry enough to send their troops into North Korea to remove the Kim family from power. 

These tea leaves are very easy to see even for the novice China watcher. Your interpretation of China's intentions for North Korea are school boy at best. Meaning that what you have to say is worthless. Time for you to watch and listen and hopefully learn, because anything you have to say on this subject is a waste of everyone else's time.

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Joiningupthedots Harry Lightning Mon, 01/08/2018 - 20:41 Permalink

You are wrong NUMPTY!

China has a mutual defence pact with North Korea and if America strikes first it has to go to war with China. China has said as much publicly on more than one occasion too

As an absolute minimum this will mean the destruction of the Korean peninsula and the absolute ejection of America from said peninsula for good.

Where the Fuck do they find people like you?

I mean, seriously?

 

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King of Ruperts Land Harry Lightning Mon, 01/08/2018 - 18:46 Permalink

I am not sure your estimates of tests required holds. Technology has come a long way since the German or US missile programs. Forget microchips, it was tubes, and a "computer" was a man with a slide rule. Think of how microchips and sensors and computers and much public knowledge about missiles has come about and it makes sense that there are so many ways to attack the problem of missile and pinpoint re-entry guidance.

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NiggaPleeze King of Ruperts Land Mon, 01/08/2018 - 19:41 Permalink

 

They don't need a whole lot of tests because they inherited proven technology from the Soviets.  Moreover, nowadays one can do computer simulations to test the circuitry.  High quality gyroscopes are cheap and readily available.   And all this assumes no technology transfers from Pakistan, China or Russia (whether by state actors or corrupt officials / companies).

After almost a year of regular provocations from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un

One can always count on the WSJ to propagandize.  How about provocations from ((tribal)) puppet Trump?

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Harry Lightning NiggaPleeze Mon, 01/08/2018 - 19:51 Permalink

You and Rupert possess a pedestrian understanding of nuclear weapon use. You cannot inherit technology or rely on the results of others when it comes to building and deploying your own weapons. You may use the same "resipe". but you need to have a feel for the outcome. Its like saying that you will be a good driver because your school mate with whom you studied passed a driver's test. No, it does not work that way. 

Whatever weapon you make will have unique characteristics from anyone else's nuclear weaponry. Because your machinery is different and unique, the environmental conditions that affected the relative pressures and temperatures that were present in your laboratories were different, the design of your rockets and warheads were different. Plus, your technicians have to learn how and when to deploy and manage the performance of the rocket and the detonators. Its not a one size fits all type of exercise, and that's why at least 50-100 tests are necessary for even the most rudimentary missile launched nuclear weapons. The US and Russia each performed over a thousand, because the results that one arrived at were not pertinent to the weapons of the other. 

As such, North Korea will have nothing better than a dirty bomb for a long time to come. Many never more than that. While it can be destructive if detonated in a very crowded city, it will not cause the destruction of large areas of developed cities. 

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NiggaPleeze Harry Lightning Wed, 01/10/2018 - 04:29 Permalink

 

You seem to lack the ability to follow a train of thought.  The comment I responded to made the argument that NK could not even deliver conventional weapons on their missiles because "[it] is ... difficult ... to develop a missile program that actually hits what you want to hit with an explosive that explodes when you want it to explode."

I never made the claim that NK has miniaturized a nuclear weapon.

My point simply is NK obviously can build missiles.  The difficult part of building a ballistic missile is the rocket technology (including separation and flight control), not the guidance systems (also difficult but not nearly as much - think how your smartphone is essentially a guidance system that can guide you to within 25 feet of a target) or the detonator (this one being quite easy).  Detonators can be made using altimeters or impact or GPS or anything else that can send an electrical pulse under predetermined circumstances.  This is the same technology used for bombs.  A missile is basically a bomb drone - instead of dropping the bomb from a plane, you ship the bomb using a missile.

One thing I agree with you on, is that NK does not need to learn how to miniaturize a nuclear weapon.  They can detonate a nuclear weapon using a ship, submarine or container.  They can place nuclear material into a conventional bomb to make a dirty bomb which can effectively make population centers uninhabitable.  And they canb send biological or chemical weapons (using missiles or numerous other means).

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Harry Lightning King of Ruperts Land Mon, 01/08/2018 - 19:52 Permalink

You and the Nigga Pleeze possess a pedestrian understanding of nuclear weapon use. You cannot inherit technology or rely on the results of others when it comes to building and deploying your own weapons. You may use the same "recipe". but you need to have a feel for the outcome. Its like saying that you will be a good driver because your school mate with whom you studied passed a driver's test. No, it does not work that way. 

Whatever weapon you make will have unique characteristics from anyone else's nuclear weaponry. Because your machinery is different and unique, the environmental conditions that affected the relative pressures and temperatures that were present in your laboratories were different, the design of your rockets and warheads were different. Plus, your technicians have to learn how and when to deploy and manage the performance of the rocket and the detonators. Its not a one size fits all type of exercise, and that's why at least 50-100 tests are necessary for even the most rudimentary missile launched nuclear weapons. The US and Russia each performed over a thousand, because the results that one arrived at were not pertinent to the weapons of the other. 

As such, North Korea will have nothing better than a dirty bomb for a long time to come. Many never more than that. While it can be destructive if detonated in a very crowded city, it will not cause the destruction of large areas of developed cities. 

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roddy6667 King of Ruperts Land Mon, 01/08/2018 - 20:26 Permalink

The closest American troops and missiles are right on the border. They will be hit first in a counter-attack. They are very close to Seoul, so possible a million citizens could be killed. What does South Korea think of dying for America's bloodthirsty war?

Next closest are the huge US military bases in Japan, just across the water. They would be hit in a counter-attack. That would involve the deaths of many, many Japanese. What do the Japanese think of dying for America's wars of aggression?

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caconhma Bes Mon, 01/08/2018 - 16:54 Permalink

Trump, his generals, and their Banking Mafia masters will burn in Hell after starting a nuke war. Thinking that they can hide and survive a nuclear war is a total lunacy.

However, it was the America nuclear warfighting doctrine for the last 70 years. JFK tried to stop it and was killed. 

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Harry Lightning caconhma Mon, 01/08/2018 - 19:26 Permalink

They not only will start a nuclear war but they will end it as well. There is no reason to believe that conducting a nuclear war is lunacy. If it truly were lunacy to believe that nuclear war was an untenable concept, then no one would have wasted all the time and money that has been wasted for the last 75 years in perfecting the weaponry...they would have quit long ago and saved a lot of money.

The extensive testing that was accomplished over 50 years supported the concept that a nuclear war was a tenable concept, that civilization would survive quite well save for the place being nuked, and that the effects were not life threatening even for neighbors of the nuked party. These conclusions were discovered quite inadvertently and by mistake. They were gleaned from the aftermath of three nuclear power plant accidents, two of which were quite significant to potentially harming thousands if not more people.  

But as it turned out, a very small percentage of the surrounding communities ever were adversely harmed by the Three Mile Island, Chernobyl or Fukushima accidents even though two of the three were the worst possible melt-down type outcomes. The hype about the prospective dangers was far worse that the actual outcomes of worse case scenarios coming true.

Such would be the case with nuclear weaponry. Especially weapons that employ the technologies commonly referred to as neutron bombs, weapons which kill people but leave buildings and other architecture and infrastructure standing unharmed. Fallout fears are way over-hyped to the point where its now impossible to decipher if the warnings being peddled are from true prophets of accurate information or pompatusses of doom who want to use every fiction at their disposal to limit the willingness of any civilization to accept the deleterious effects of nuclear weaponry on the people being nuked. 

Bottom line is that societies can have legitimate debates over whether their society should engage nuclear weaponry in military efforts of defense. But the debate needs to be presented factually and without the science fiction hype that most humans would not know was the truth. If you don't want to fathom the outcome of the use of nuclear weapons, then dismantle your weapons. If you are afraid that you are opening up your country to being over-run and destroyed by belligerent enemies should you get rid of your nuclear weapons, then stop whining about how bad they are when used.

The problem you have with these weapons is yours. Deal with it. If you live in a country that has nuclear weaponry, it means that your fellow countrypeople want to have them. So accept it or move. If you live in a country that doesn't have them, then you and your countrypeople should exert the maximum possible force on your country's leaders to nor make a really stupid act of angering a country that does have such weapons. For the most part, no one will use nuclear weapons against you unless they are led to believe that you have them. So instead of whining about how bad nuclear weapons are, do something constructive that may save your life. Make sure that your leaders do not do what the dictator of North Korea is doing, which is threatening a country that has nuclear weapons with the threat that your country will use nuclear weapons that it really does not have against the country it is threatening.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

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Sir Edge IH8OBAMA Mon, 01/08/2018 - 16:38 Permalink

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One more time for the GIPPER... 

North Korea is a Distraction... Fire, Fury - I Mean It This Time > DISTRACTION

If you want to know WHAT is going to happen next with War, Politics, etc... 

Then ask yourself what does Israel want... THAT may happen next. 

Israel wants Jerusalem to be the Capital of Israel regardless of the rest of the world... 

and now Trump has agreed with that publicly... Even with the humiliating vote in the UN.

So... could there be war... Yes... If the USA - KSA - Israel take on Iran, Lebanon, Syria.

Otherwise... BS Distraction with North Korea and USA war.

The USA and the Oligarchs cannot afford a war with North Korea... North Korea with their Artillery
will DECIMATE South Korean manufacturing in a couple of days... and ITS GONE... GONE.

The technology parts the SK creates for USA computers and other technologies goes poof... That is not
gonna happen... the USA cannot manufacture (as of now) most of those... So it cannot go POOF... OK... ?

This does not EVEN cover the loss of wealth for the Deep State and Israel. Israel is gonna lose a dollar ?

It's Bullshit... How many times do we need to go thru this... Assad must go... Assad can stay.

ebola... ebola... ebola... WMD In Irag... ISIS in Syria... Crimea Invaded By Russia... etc.

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Edgey... 

 

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Sir Edge Countrybunkererd Mon, 01/08/2018 - 17:08 Permalink

1) ""North Korea will sell their weapons to Iran""

Yes many nations sell their weapons to other nations... so ?

2) ""They work together now on development of many things including weapons""

Yes many nations work together to develop a lot of things including weapons... so ?

3) ""Iran wants to wipe Israel out""

Yes and Israel wants to wipe Iran out... so ?

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and the sky is blue... so ?

 

Edgey...

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Sir Edge Countrybunkererd Mon, 01/08/2018 - 17:51 Permalink

God Bless Everyone...

Including all the people in Italy, Russia, America, and Israel et al ... I wish no one harm... 

Just that the true facts be known... and we should not be afraid of facts... What I have written is true and stands before God as correct.

I will AGAIN post the salient question... What Does Israel Want... ?

Because Israel has a stranglehold on American political, financial and communication processes...

If you do not want to take the time to learn this on your own or you deny it due to cognitive bias or because you are Israeli then that is your right but i will repeat again...

If anyone wants to understand what is going to happen politically or fiancially in America, that HAS USA PUBLIC IMPACT, then they need to ask... 

What Does Israel Want... ?

Please let me know if you would like me to post this question again... and I will kindly do so... 

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Have a nice day... 

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Edgey...

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RagnarRedux Sir Edge Mon, 01/08/2018 - 17:49 Permalink

Yeah, he must have forgot the following.

(1993) New York Times: C.I.A. Chief Says Israel Has Been Selling Advanced Military Technology To China For Over A Decade

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/12/world/israel-selling-china-military-t…

(2013) U.S. Furious With Israel For Selling Advanced Military Technology To China

https://www.algemeiner.com/2013/12/22/u-s-furious-with-israel-after-sal…

(2007) Israel Flagged As Top Spy Threat To U.S. In New Snowden/NSA Document

http://www.newsweek.com/israel-flagged-top-spy-threat-us-new-snowdennsa…

Sayanim Everywhere

“Israeli spies have done more harm and have damaged the United States more than the intelligence agents of all other countries on earth combined... They are the gravest threat to our national security.”

— Admiral Bobby Inman 
    Former Deputy Director of the CIA

http://www.texemarrs.com/082012/sayanim_everywhere.htm

https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2010/07/19/sayanim-israeli-operat…

Former U.S. Congressman James Traficant Says U.S. Gives Israel $15-20 Billion A Year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9U87E5CyC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsIBC5Tu8v0

U.S. Gives Israel Record $38 Billion Military Aid Package

http://fortune.com/2016/09/13/us-israel-military-aid/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-israel-statement/u-s-israel-sign…

 

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Winston Churchill Countrybunkererd Mon, 01/08/2018 - 17:20 Permalink

The Iranians already have better weapons.

They now have Pakistan as an ally as well,so they won't need to use those soviet era nuke warheads

they aquired back in the 90's.

Pax Americana's options are getting very limited, its time to negotiate the best deal they can in

the circumstances, bring all the troops home and try co-operation instead of belligerence.

I can dream, its not in the American DNA sadly.

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RagnarRedux Countrybunkererd Mon, 01/08/2018 - 17:23 Permalink

"Iran wants to wipe Israel out."

Jewry is largely mentally ill from inbreeding. They innately and collectively work to undermine, subvert and destroy virtually everything they can, culturally, socially, politically and financially, no matter where(geographically) or when(temporally) they reside, while psychologically projecting out that their self-depicted bogeyman Du Jour wants to "wipe them out". Anyone who resists their agendas and false narratives is "anti-Semitic" or wants to "wipe them out".

Scientists Discover Gene That Predisposes Ashkenazi Jews To Schizophrenia, Schizoaffective Disorder, Manic Depression And Similar Diseases
Variations of the DNST3 gene make Ashkenazi Jews 40 percent more likely to develop schizophrenia and similar diseases.

"As many as one in three Ashkenazi Jews are estimated to be carriers for one of about 19 genetic diseases. In all, Jews have higher carrier rates for more than 40 genetic diseases."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.560128

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-genetic-diseases/

Exponential Growth Of Ashkenazi Jews Following A Medieval Population Bottleneck

"What this means is that, despite the lacrymose interpretations of Jewish history so common in the academic world, Jews have done very well in Europe over the last 700 years or so. Much of the Jewish population increase came in the 19th century in the Russian Empire."

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/09/11/exponential-growth-of-a…

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ashkenazi-jews-descend-from-350-people-st…

https://davidduke.com/can-science-explain-jewish-supremacists-behave-wa…

 

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11b40 Sir Edge Mon, 01/08/2018 - 17:05 Permalink

And one more time from me. 

The MIC does not need an actual conflict, only the threat of one, to get an ever expanding budget increases for whiz-bang toys that we pay for (or put on the charge card).  They keep the pot stirred, and the weapons contracts flowing.  Since this dust up over the NORKs and their missiles, how many new "defense shield" systems are on the drawing boards.  Japan for sure, and Hawaii.  Others?

 

Feed the military beast.  Just ring up the bankers and tell them how much we need.

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