Pat Buchanan Asks "Is A US-Turkish Clash In Syria Imminent?"

Authored by Patrick Buchanan via,

The war for dominance in the Middle East, following the crushing of ISIS, appears about to commence in Syria - with NATO allies America and Turkey on opposing sides.

Turkey is moving armor and troops south to Syria’s border enclave of Afrin, occupied by Kurds, to drive them out, and then drive the Syrian Kurds out of Manbij further south as well.

Says President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, “We will destroy all terror nests, one by one, in Syria, starting from Afrin and Manbij.”

For Erdogan, the Kurdish YPG, the major U.S. ally in Syria, is an arm of the Kurdish PKK in Turkey, which we and the Turks have designated as a terrorist organization.

While the Kurds were our most effective allies against ISIS in Syria, Turkey views them as a mortal peril and intends to deal with that threat.

If Erdogan is serious, a clash with the U.S. is coming, as our Kurdish allies occupy most of Syria’s border with Turkey.

Moreover, the U.S. has announced plans to create a 30,000-man Border Security Force of Kurds and Arabs to keep ISIS out of Syria.

Erdogan has branded this BSF a “terror army,” and President Bashar Assad of Syria has called BSF members “traitors.”

This U.S. plan to create a BSF inside Syria, Damascus declared, “represents a blatant attack on the sovereignty and territorial integrity and unity of Syria, and a flagrant violation of international law.”

Does not the Syrian government have a point?

Now that ISIS has been driven out of Raqqa and Syria, by what authority do U.S. forces remain to arm troops to keep the Damascus government from reimposing its authority on its own territory?

Secretary of State Tillerson gave Syria the news Wednesday. The U.S. troop commitment to Syria, he said, is now open-ended.

Our goals: Guarantee al-Qaida and ISIS do not return and set up sanctuary; cope with rising Iranian influence in Damascus; and pursue the removal of Bashar Assad’s ruthless regime.

But who authorized this strategic commitment, of indefinite duration, in Syria, when near two decades in Afghanistan have failed to secure that nation against the return of al-Qaida and ISIS?

Again and again, the American people have said they do not want to be dragged into Syria’s civil war. Donald Trump won the presidency on a promise of no more unnecessary wars.

Have the American people been had again?

Will they support a clash with NATO ally Turkey, to keep armed Kurds on Turkey’s border, when the Turks regard them as terrorists?

Are we prepared for a shooting war with a Syrian army, backed by Russia, Iran, Hezbollah and Shiite militias from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, to hold onto a fourth of Syria’s territory in alliance with Kurds?

The U.S. coalition in Syria said this week the BSF will be built up “over the next several years” and “be stationed along the borders … to include portions of the Euphrates river valley and international borders to the east and north.”

Remarkable: A U.S.-created border army is going to occupy and control long stretches of Syria’s borders with Turkey and Iraq, over Syria’s objections. And the U.S. military will stand behind the BSF.

Are the 2,000 U.S. troops in Syria really up to that task, should the Turks decide to cleanse the Syrian border of Kurds, or should the Syrian regime decide to take back territory occupied by the Kurds?

Who sanctioned this commitment to a new army, which, if Syria and its Russian and Iranian allies, and the Turks, do not all back down, risks a major U.S. war with no allies but the Kurds?

As for Syria’s Kurds casting their lot with the Americans, one wonders: Did they not observe what happened when their Iraqi cousins, after helping us drive ISIS out of Mosul, were themselves driven out of Kirkuk by the Iraqi army, as their U.S. allies watched?

In the six-year Syrian civil war, which may be about to enter a new phase, America faces a familiar situation.

While our “allies” and adversaries have vital interests there, we do not. The Assads have been in power for the lifetime of most Americans. And we Americans have never shown a desire to fight there.

Assad has a vital interest: preservation of his family regime and the reunification of his country. The Turks have a vital interest in keeping armed Kurds out of their border regions adjacent to their own Kurdish minority, which seeks greater independence.

The Israelis and Saudi royals want the U.S. to keep Iran from securing a land bridge from Tehran to Damascus to Lebanon.

The U.S. War Party wants us to smash Iran and remain in the Middle East forever to assure the hegemony of its favorites.

Have the generals taking us into Syria told the president how and when, if ever, they plan to get us out?


Itinerant LiteBeeer Sat, 01/20/2018 - 09:01 Permalink

Well  yes and now. The last time Shiites and Sunni went to war was in the 7th century. Many of the small ethnic, linguistic, and religious communities have survived 2000 or 3000 years of invasions and empires. Only in our own human rights loving days has it lead to the genocide of all these groups, including the Christian communities that stand at the beginning of Christianity, of which there are/were a few that still used the language Jesus spoke (Aramaic). It is very difficult to think of recent developments as some age-old internecine warfare which "we" cannot help -- "we" have enabled the current course of events with our interference in these societies.

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Pandelis Itinerant Sat, 01/20/2018 - 10:20 Permalink

"Only in our own human rights loving days has it lead to the genocide of all these groups, including the Christian communities that stand at the beginning of Christianity"


the only thing is that it is NOT our own ... it is theirs and americans are simply a tool ... definitely is escalating since armageddon is coming to clean up the likes of litebeeer and company

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HRClinton cheka Fri, 01/19/2018 - 20:56 Permalink

Re "This U.S. plan to create a BSF inside Syria, Damascus declared, “represents a blatant attack on the sovereignty and territorial integrity and unity of Syria, and a flagrant violation of international law.”

Yes, but what are you gonna DO about it, Assad you chinless wonder?

Putin? I don't think so. He talk tough, but walks like a neutered tomcat, when it comes to the US.

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keep the basta… HRClinton Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:36 Permalink

Putin has dragged his country out of hell and economic evastation thanks to USA interference, is phenomenally intelligent, loves his country and sees the big picture. 

Usa war model games for years only resulted in loss to Russia. USA is ending its empire, its only a fool who would rush in to war with it.

Edagar Cayce a long time ago said that from Russia (not ussr) would come the hope of the world, and freedom.

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el buitre HRClinton Sat, 01/20/2018 - 15:35 Permalink

Putin has a very tough job which is requiring strategic genius.  How to avoid a thermonuclear war with a psychopathic and psychotic enemy who things they will survive it because the elites have spent $21 Trillion dollars to built luxury underground cities, some as much as 5 km under the surface, as recently exposed by C A Fitts and Prof. Mark Skidmore.  I'd like to see idiots like you, HRClinton, go 10 minutes with Putin in the dojo.  ASSHOLE!

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Guderian cheka Sat, 01/20/2018 - 04:04 Permalink

I wouldn't count on Turkey giving in here.

To Turkey, the Kurdish question is of vital importance. If you take a map of Turkey and then take another, showing the predominantly Kurdish areas, you will find, that it is actually about half the nations territory. The Kurds insist on independence while the Turks insist on subordination. They are in deadlock for almost a century now. 

To have a Kurdish entity on its southern border, adding to the Kurdish state in northern Iraq, is absolutely intolerable. It matters not, whether there will be a autonomous region, self-governed province or sovereign state. As soon as it is Kurds that control the border, Turkey will interfere.

To not acknowledge that fact and understand the priorities, shows the utter arrogance of the USA towards one of its most important NATO 'allies' (vasalls).

Turkey will get this threat erased, either with the help of the parties involved, without them or against them. Turkey really has no choice here!

I can see Putin having a cigar of triumph, watching USA dismantle its domination in the ME and alienating one 'ally' after the other. Russia and Syria will, in the end cut some deal, that adresses the Kurds demands and the Turkish necessities. The USA will eventually leave, having alienated all parties involved. NOT winning!

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OverTheHedge Guderian Sat, 01/20/2018 - 07:54 Permalink

Sound logic. My only other thought here is that the US Military (or MIC, if you prefer), is just trying to justify budgets. Create the strife, then appropriate the funding to pay for it. ISIS is gone, so they need another money-spinner.

I do wonder how much control any of the branches of US government has over their military - they seem to be an autonomous, feral animal these days, doing whatever they feel appropriate for their own benefit and profit, paid for by the poor old taxpayer. Nice work if you can get it.

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bshirley1968 Lost in translation Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:28 Permalink

"Moreover, the U.S. has announced plans to create a 30,000-man Border Security Force of Kurds and Arabs to keep ISIS out of Syria."

Just cause we care for Syria so much! Yeah, right! It's a 30,000 man invasion force.

This will be the end. They are not even hiding it any more. This is a blatant move to overthrow a sitting government for oligarchy interest. When they no longer feel the need to lie about it.....the jig is up.

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nmewn Row Well Number 41 Fri, 01/19/2018 - 20:40 Permalink

I feel bad for them. 

However they are used to it, historically. There is probably not one Kurd on the face of planet who didn't know they would be screwed over in the end no matter who promises anything or who they make temporary alliances with. 

I also respect them for knowing it. I respect them for fighting anyone and everyone who is a threat to them.

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nuerocaster nmewn Fri, 01/19/2018 - 23:05 Permalink

So I assume you respect Israel too? And more from the dept of bad ideas, let's not forget Kosovo. A real success story. 33% unemployment $3660 GDP per person. Well organized crime is going gangbusters. Also not gangbusters.

If only we had a Lucy Luciano to run our crime syndicate imperialism empire. And I'm not kidding.


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Identify as Ferengi nmewn Fri, 01/19/2018 - 23:17 Permalink

They deserve respect. They earn it. They fight for their independence.

Kurdistan will bigly stabilize their people against the shithole builders. They are a free people. The pinche fucks stamping their little feet around artificial lines in the dirt don't really even want that little bit of dirt.

They want the oil.

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BobEore Row Well Number 41 Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:10 Permalink

That crunching sound you hear

is the gnashing of fangs, nail bitin, and back stabbing cacaphony created when a gaggle of

armchair experts thousands of miles from the heat of the action, dressed in their 'master of the universe' exceptional -ly ludicrous costumes ...

with their Russian sex dolls laying precariously cross their laps, crash their bumper cars into each others circle jerkin parade o pathetic Putine phile catamite crash test dummies

when informed at last that their fantasies of "death to america" ... jolly good jihadi... hurrah for hizboolah and syrian strongmens ' "Ass-holes" all have

'blowed up real good'... as usual, as the battle hardened YPG volunteer militias of Rojava and the cantons meet the straggling columns of conscript TSK inductees who wish they were a thousand miles away from where their jihadist neo-ottoman leaders have parked their sorry asses.

and cue: more sounds of head bangin bozos in terminal melt down!

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Winston Churchill Akzed Fri, 01/19/2018 - 20:44 Permalink

The great grandson of the Duke of Wellington might have a little(or lots) of inherited wealth.

He was born and raised in Blenheim Palace.He was also born with a kilogram silver spoon in his mouth.

Is that a little clearer, spelled out for you that way.

Let me guess, you thought he was a commoner made good.All commoners are baronets and are schooled at


"History is a set of lies agreed to".

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