"Even Orwell And Huxley Couldn't Imagine The Threat Posed By Facebook And Google"

Authored by Jake Johnson via TheAntiMedia.org,

In addition to warning that U.S. President Donald Trump represents an immense “danger” to civilization, billionaire George Soros used the spotlight of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Thursday to urge the international community to take seriously the threats posed by Facebook and Google, which he said could ultimately spawn “a web of totalitarian control” if they are not reined in.

Particularly alarming, Soros said, is the prospect of Facebook and Google - which he scathingly deemed a “menace” to society - teaming up with “authoritarian states” to “bring together nascent systems of corporate surveillance with an already developed system of state-sponsored surveillance.”

Such “unholy marriages” could result in a strain of authoritarianism “the likes of which not even Aldous Huxley or George Orwell could have imagined,” the billionaire investor cautioned.

Soros went on to compare the tech giants’ impact on the internet - and social media in particular - to the effects of fossil fuel giants on the environment.

“Mining and oil companies exploit the physical environment; social media companies exploit the social environment,” Soros said, warning that the days of internet monopolies like Facebook and Google “are numbered.”

“They claim they are merely distributing information,” Soros added of the tech giants that are frequently denounced by critics of corporate power for abusing their market dominance.

“But the fact that they are near-monopoly distributors makes them public utilities and should subject them to more stringent regulations, aimed at preserving competition, innovation, and fair and open universal access.”

If tech companies are permitted to retain overwhelming control over information, “far-reaching adverse consequences on the functioning of democracy” could result, Soros concluded.

“The power to shape people’s attention is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few companies,” Soros said.

“It takes a real effort to assert and defend what John Stuart Mill called ‘the freedom of mind.’ There is a possibility that once lost, people who grow up in the digital age will have difficulty in regaining it.”

Below is a short clip of Soros’s speech.

Full Transcript of his speech below:

The current moment in history

Good evening. It has become something of an annual Davos tradition for me to give an overview of the current state of the world. I was planning half an hour for my remarks and half an hour for questions, but my speech has turned out to be closer to an hour. I attribute this to the severity of the problems confronting us. After I’ve finished, I’ll open it up for your comments and questions. So prepare yourselves.

I find the current moment in history rather painful. Open societies are in crisis, and various forms of dictatorships and mafia states, exemplified by Putin’s Russia, are on the rise. In the United States, President Trump would like to establish a mafia state but he can’t, because the Constitution, other institutions, and a vibrant civil society won’t allow it.

Whether we like it or not, my foundations, most of our grantees and myself personally are fighting an uphill battle, protecting the democratic achievements of the past. My foundations used to focus on the so-called developing world, but now that the open society is also endangered in the United States and Europe, we are spending more than half our budget closer to home because what is happening here is having a negative impact on the whole world.

But protecting the democratic achievements of the past is not enough; we must also safeguard the values of open society so that they will better withstand future onslaughts. Open society will always have its enemies, and each generation has to reaffirm its commitment to open society for it to survive.

The best defense is a principled counterattack. The enemies of open society feel victorious and this induces them to push their repressive efforts too far, this generates resentment and offers opportunities to push back. That is what is happening in places like Hungary today.

I used to define the goals of my foundations as “defending open societies from their enemies, making governments accountable and fostering a critical mode of thinking”. But the situation has deteriorated. Not only the survival of open society, but the survival of our entire civilization is at stake. The rise of leaders such as Kim Jong-Un in North Korea and Donald Trump in the US have much to do with this. Both seem willing to risk a nuclear war in order to keep themselves in power. But the root cause goes even deeper.

Mankind’s ability to harness the forces of nature, both for constructive and destructive purposes, continues to grow while our ability to govern ourselves properly fluctuates, and it is now at a low ebb.

The threat of nuclear war is so horrendous that we are inclined to ignore it. But it is real. Indeed, the United States is set on a course toward nuclear war by refusing to accept that North Korea has become a nuclear power. This creates a strong incentive for North Korea to develop its nuclear capacity with all possible speed, which in turn may induce the United States to use its nuclear superiority preemptively; in effect to start a nuclear war in order to prevent nuclear war – an obviously self-contradictory strategy.

The fact is, North Korea has become a nuclear power and there is no military action that can prevent what has already happened. The only sensible strategy is to accept reality, however unpleasant it is, and to come to terms with North Korea as a nuclear power. This requires the United States to cooperate with all the interested parties, China foremost among them. Beijing holds most of the levers of power against North Korea, but is reluctant to use them. If it came down on Pyongyang too hard, the regime could collapse and China would be flooded by North Korean refugees. What is more, Beijing is reluctant to do any favors for the United States, South Korea or Japan– against each of which it harbors a variety of grudges. Achieving cooperation will require extensive negotiations, but once it is attained, the alliance would be able to confront North Korea with both carrots and sticks. The sticks could be used to force it to enter into good faith negotiations and the carrots to reward it for verifiably suspending further development of nuclear weapons. The sooner a so-called freeze-for-freeze agreement can be reached, the more successful the policy will be. Success can be measured by the amount of time it would take for North Korea to make its nuclear arsenal fully operational. I’d like to draw your attention to two seminal reports just published by Crisis Group on the prospects of nuclear war in North Korea.

The other major threat to the survival of our civilization is climate change, which is also a growing cause of forced migration. I have dealt with the problems of migration at great length elsewhere, but I must emphasize how severe and intractable those problems are. I don’t want to go into details on climate change either because it is well known what needs to be done. We have the scientific knowledge; it is the political will that is missing, particularly in the Trump administration.

Clearly, I consider the Trump administration a danger to the world. But I regard it as a purely temporary phenomenon that will disappear in 2020, or even sooner. I give President Trump credit for motivating his core supporters brilliantly, but for every core supporter, he has created a greater number of core opponents who are equally strongly motivated. That is why I expect a Democratic landslide in 2018.

My personal goal in the United States is to help reestablish a functioning two-party system. This will require not only a landslide in 2018 but also a Democratic Party that will aim at non-partisan redistricting, the appointment of well-qualified judges, a properly conducted census and other measures that a functioning two-party system requires.

The IT monopolies 

I want to spend the bulk of my remaining time on another global problem: the rise and monopolistic behavior of the giant IT platform companies. These companies have often played an innovative and liberating role. But as Facebook and Google have grown into ever more powerful monopolies, they have become obstacles to innovation, and they have caused a variety of problems of which we are only now beginning to become aware.

Companies earn their profits by exploiting their environment. Mining and oil companies exploit the physical environment; social media companies exploit the social environment. This is particularly nefarious because social media companies influence how people think and behave without them even being aware of it. This has far-reaching adverse consequences on the functioning of democracy, particularly on the integrity of elections.

The distinguishing feature of internet platform companies is that they are networks and they enjoy rising marginal returns; that accounts for their phenomenal growth. The network effect is truly unprecedented and transformative, but it is also unsustainable. It took Facebook eight and a half years to reach a billion users and half that time to reach the second billion. At this rate, Facebook will run out of people to convert in less than 3 years.

Facebook and Google effectively control over half of all internet advertising revenue. To maintain their dominance, they need to expand their networks and increase their share of users’ attention. Currently they do this by providing users with a convenient platform. The more time users spend on the platform, the more valuable they become to the companies.

Content providers also contribute to the profitability of social media companies because they cannot avoid using the platforms and they have to accept whatever terms they are offered.

The exceptional profitability of these companies is largely a function of their avoiding responsibility for– and avoiding paying for– the content on their platforms.

They claim they are merely distributing information. But the fact that they are near- monopoly distributors makes them public utilities and should subject them to more stringent regulations, aimed at preserving competition, innovation, and fair and open universal access.

The business model of social media companies is based on advertising. Their true customers are the advertisers. But gradually a new business model is emerging, based not only on advertising but on selling products and services directly to users. They exploit the data they control, bundle the services they offer and use discriminatory pricing to keep for themselves more of the benefits that otherwise they would have to share with consumers. This enhances their profitability even further – but the bundling of services and discriminatory pricing undermine the efficiency of the market economy.

Social media companies deceive their users by manipulating their attention and directing it towards their own commercial purposes. They deliberately engineer addiction to the services they provide. This can be very harmful, particularly for adolescents. There is a similarity between internet platforms and gambling companies. Casinos have developed techniques to hook gamblers to the point where they gamble away all their money, even money they don’t have.

Something very harmful and maybe irreversible is happening to human attention in our digital age. Not just distraction or addiction; social media companies are inducing people to give up their autonomy. The power to shape people’s attention is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few companies. It takes a real effort to assert and defend what John Stuart Mill called “the freedom of mind.” There is a possibility that once lost, people who grow up in the digital age will have difficulty in regaining it. This may have far-reaching political consequences. People without the freedom of mind can be easily manipulated. This danger does not loom only in the future; it already played an important role in the 2016 US presidential elections.

But there is an even more alarming prospect on the horizon. There could be an alliance between authoritarian states and these large, data-rich IT monopolies that would bring together nascent systems of corporate surveillance with an already developed system of state-sponsored surveillance. This may well result in a web of totalitarian control the likes of which not even Aldous Huxley or George Orwell could have imagined.

The countries in which such unholy marriages are likely to occur first are Russia and China. The Chinese IT companies in particular are fully equal to the American ones. They also enjoy the full support and protection of the Xi Jingping regime. The government of China is strong enough to protect its national champions, at least within its borders.

US-based IT monopolies are already tempted to compromise themselves in order to gain entrance to these vast and fast growing markets. The dictatorial leaders in these countries may be only too happy to collaborate with them since they want to improve their methods of control over their own populations and expand their power and influence in the United States and the rest of the world.

The owners of the platform giants consider themselves the masters of the universe, but in fact they are slaves to preserving their dominant position. It is only a matter of time before the global dominance of the US IT monopolies is broken. Davos is a good place to announce that their days are numbered. Regulation and taxation will be their undoing and EU Competition Commissioner Vestager will be their nemesis.

There is also a growing recognition of a connection between the dominance of the platform monopolies and the rising level of inequality. The concentration of share ownership in the hands of a few private individuals plays some role but the peculiar position occupied by the IT giants is even more important. They have achieved monopoly power but at the same time they are also competing against each other. They are big enough to swallow start-ups that could develop into competitors, but only the giants have the resources to invade each other’s territory. They are poised to dominate the new growth areas that artificial intelligence is opening up, like driverless cars.

The impact of innovations on unemployment depends on government policies. The European Union and particularly the Nordic countries are much more farsighted in their social policies than the United States. They protect the workers, not the jobs. They are willing to pay for re-training or retiring displaced workers. This gives workers in Nordic countries a greater sense of security and makes them more supportive of technological innovations than workers in the US.

The internet monopolies have neither the will nor the inclination to protect society against the consequences of their actions. That turns them into a menace and it falls to the regulatory authorities to protect society against them. In the US, the regulators are not strong enough to stand up against their political influence. The European Union is better situated because it doesn’t have any platform giants of its own.

The European Union uses a different definition of monopoly power from the United States. US law enforcement focuses primarily on monopolies created by acquisitions, whereas EU law prohibits the abuse of monopoly power irrespective of how it is achieved. Europe has much stronger privacy and data protection laws than America. Moreover, US law has adopted a strange doctrine: it measures harm as an increase in the price paid by customers for services received – and that is almost impossible to prove when most services are provided for free. This leaves out of consideration the valuable data platform companies collect from their users.

Commissioner Vestager is the champion of the European approach. It took the EU seven years to build a case against Google, but as a result of her success the process has been greatly accelerated. Due to her proselytizing, the European approach has begun to affect attitudes in the United States as well.

The rise of nationalism and how to reverse it

I have mentioned some of the most pressing and important problems confronting us today. In conclusion, let me point out that we are living in a revolutionary period. All our established institutions are in a state of flux and in these circumstances both fallibility and reflexivity are operating at full force.

I lived through similar conditions in my life, most recently some thirty years ago. That is when I set up my network of foundations in the former Soviet empire. The main difference between the two periods is that thirty years ago the dominant creed was international governance and cooperation. The European Union was the rising power and the Soviet Union the declining one. Today, however, the motivating force is nationalism. Russia is resurgent and the European Union is in danger of abandoning its values.

As you will recall, the previous experience didn’t turn out well for the Soviet Union. The Soviet empire collapsed and Russia has become a mafia state that has adopted a nationalist ideology. My foundations did quite well: the more advanced members of the Soviet empire joined the European Union.

Now our aim is to help save the European Union in order to radically reinvent it. The EU used to enjoy the enthusiastic support of the people of my generation, but that changed after the financial crisis of 2008. The EU lost its way because it was governed by outdated treaties and a mistaken belief in austerity policies. What had been a voluntary association of equal states was converted into a relationship between creditors and debtors where the debtors couldn’t meet their obligations and the creditors set the conditions that the debtors had to meet. That association was neither voluntary nor equal.

As a consequence, a large proportion of the current generation has come to regard the European Union as its enemy. One important country, Britain, is in the process of leaving the EU and at least two countries, Poland and Hungary, are ruled by governments that are adamantly opposed to the values on which the European Union is based. They are in acute conflict with various European institutions and those institutions are trying to discipline them. In several other countries anti-European parties are on the rise. In Austria, they are in the governing coalition and the fate of Italy will be decided by the elections in March.

How can we prevent the European Union from abandoning its values? We need to reform it at every level: at the level of the Union itself, at the level of the member states and the level of the electorate. We are in a revolutionary period; everything is subject to change. The decisions taken now will determine the shape of the future.

At the Union level, the main question is what to do about the euro. Should every member state be required to eventually adopt the euro or should the current situation be allowed to continue indefinitely? The Maastricht Treaty prescribed the first alternative but the euro has developed some defects that the Maastricht Treaty didn’t foresee and still await resolution.

Should the problems of the euro be allowed to endanger the future of the European Union? I would strongly argue against it. The fact is that the countries that don’t qualify, are eager to join, but those that do qualify have decided against it, with the exception of Bulgaria. In addition, I would like to see Britain remain a member of the EU or eventually rejoin it and that couldn’t happen if it meant adopting the euro.

The choice confronting the EU could be better formulated as one between a multi-speed and a multi-track approach. In a multi-speed approach, member states have to agree in advance on the ultimate outcome; in a multi-track approach, member states are free to form coalitions of the willing to pursue particular goals on which they agree. The multi-track approach is obviously more flexible but the European bureaucracy favored the multi-speed approach. That was an important contributor to the rigidity of the EU’s structure.

At the level of the member states, their political parties are largely outdated. The old distinction between left and right is overshadowed by being either pro or anti-European. This manifests itself differently in different countries.

In Germany, the Siamese twin arrangement between the CDU and the CSU has been rendered unsustainable by the results of the recent elections. There is another party, the AfD further to the right than the CSU in Bavaria. This has forced the CSU to move further to the right in anticipation of next year’s local elections in Bavaria so that the gap between the CSU and the CDU has become too great. This has rendered the German party system largely dysfunctional until the CDU and CSU break up.

In Britain, the Conservatives are clearly the party of the right and Labor the party of the left, but each party is internally divided in its attitude toward Brexit. This complicates the Brexit negotiations immensely, and makes it extremely difficult for Britain as a country to decide and modify its position towards Europe.

Other European countries can be expected to undergo similar realignments with the exception of France, which has already undergone its internal revolution.

At the level of the electorate the top-down initiative started by a small group of visionaries led by Jean Monnet carried the process of integration a long way but it has lost its momentum. Now we need a combination of the top-down approach of the European authorities with the bottom-up initiatives started by an engaged electorate. Fortunately, there are many such bottom-up initiatives; it remains to be seen how the authorities will respond to them. So far President Macron has shown himself most responsive. He campaigned for the French presidency on a pro-European platform and his current strategy focuses on the elections for the European Parliament in 2019 – and that requires engaging the electorate.

While I have analyzed Europe in greater detail, from a historical perspective what happens in Asia is ultimately much more important. China is the rising power. There were many fervent believers in the open society in China who were sent to be re-educated in rural areas during Mao’s Revolution. Those who survived returned to occupy positions of power in the government. So the future direction of China used to be open-ended; but no more.

The promoters of open society have reached retirement age and Xi Jinping, who has more in common with Putin than with the so-called West, has begun to establish a new system of party patronage. I’m afraid that the outlook for the next twenty years is rather bleak. Nevertheless, it is important to embed China in institutions of global governance. This may help to avoid a world war that would destroy our entire civilization.

That leaves the local battlegrounds in Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia. My foundations are actively engaged in all of them. We are particularly focused on Africa, where would-be dictators in Kenya, Zimbabwe and the Democratic Republic of Congo have perpetrated electoral fraud on an unprecedented scale and citizens are literally risking their lives to resist the slide into dictatorship. Our goal is to empower local people to deal with their own problems, assist the disadvantaged and reduce human suffering to the greatest extent possible. This will leave us plenty to do well beyond my lifetime.

Comments

Pandelis Luc X. Ifer Sat, 01/27/2018 - 22:26 Permalink

Soros the Archenemy of Trump, the free society founder, the fighter for democracy and freedom ... lol ... if ever was a bad cap good cap example.  talking about the illusion of democracy and freedom:

 

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

 

That point might be when there is no more pretense of goy's running the show and for Soros types pretending to be fighting for free society  ... prior or after Armageddon???

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jefferson32 stizazz Sun, 01/28/2018 - 02:01 Permalink

Yes.

 

I'm tired of these nonsensical claims.

 

NO ONE FORCES YOU TO USE FACEBOOK AND GOOGLE.

 

If you're stupid enough to have a facefuck account, and to post private information online, it's your fucking problem!

 

The real danger is, always is, and has always been posed by the State. Think mandatory biometric passports, face recognition cameras in public spaces, warrantless search & seizure, etc. It is the monopoly power of the State, and the monopoly on the initiation of violence in particular, that is the real issue.

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shitshitshit jefferson32 Sun, 01/28/2018 - 04:17 Permalink

THE old chunk of dying dung crusading for the freedom of the world aboard his private jet and singing us about the malevolence of big money (it takes one to know one) can't accept the idea of a world surviving him and can no longer hide that he's in serious condition, potentially on a Darth Vader like life support. That's why the race traitor stirs the pot. 

First he lost his denture and couldn't pronounce words correctly.

Nobody laughed in the audience. 

Then he exhibited tremendous problems reading his already rehearsed text which showed that his eyesight is dramatically low, and also that his memory is failing him before he could even reach the end of his simplest 19 words long sentences.

Again, nobody puffed

Sadly this short video didn't give us any hint as to whether he's got incontinence problems or if his perpetually reconstructed pale body exhales this characteristic putrid decomposition smell, but just like assassin Hillary who seems in much better shape we can safely assume he's also endowed with his little backpack sack to accommodate for his constantly dribbling anus

Given the seriousness of his symptoms, it is highly unlikely that this being be autonomous, both in terms of physical but also mental abilities. One has then to forcibly conclude that this slow rotting corpse is used by some behind the scenes puppet master. The question is: who is pulling the strings

If money can buy you a lot of things like dominos on pizzas and walnut sauce, it cannot buy you eternal life. That's the problem with Faustian pacts: you have to give your soul back to Satan, therefore you have to die knowing this will happen outside of your control, and this is certainly why the candidates for eternal damnation cling on to life that desperately. Nobody knows this kind of fear besides them, which is already a reward in itself for the simple but honest and hard working citizen. 

And no amount of children's blood and organs can change that. 

Not to worry, in the end, Twatter, Farcebook, Oggle and their ilk are all going to be remembered as the Pravdas and Izvestias of the 21st century.

 

 

 

 

 

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Bokkenrijder shitshitshit Sun, 01/28/2018 - 04:56 Permalink

Oh the hypocrisy of Soros, because where would all his evil left wings social and economic engineering projects be without Fakebook and Twootter!? 

 

Banish them all; Facebook, Twitter, and George Soros’ The Open Society Foundation! 

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Memedada Bokkenrijder Sun, 01/28/2018 - 05:53 Permalink

You would not be able to formulate one genuinely left-wing argument or name one true left-wing policy proposal. And no, "identity politics" or "political correctness" are not left-wing (as such) - they're natural policies pursued by the right-wing ideology of "liberalism". That is, an attempt to make the promised meritocracy of the free labor market come true by legislation (and, of course, failing).

But let mere see you formulate a genuinely left-wing argument (I would love to tear it apart and expose it for what it is: more corporate propaganda crap fed to you)? There is a reason for why you can't. You've only been - by purpose - confronted with a caricature of the left-wing...

The only left-wing arguments you'll ever be confronted with is from real people - on comment sections like this. All medias and most social medias (inside the capitalist cores, like US) are owned, controlled or influenced by the capitalists/the corporations - that is why the US plebs are clueless when it comes to the most basic terms in politics and ideologies. All by design. 

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Memedada BennyBoy Sun, 01/28/2018 - 07:21 Permalink

Orwell knew the PTB would purposefully attempt to control and destroy language (the "new-speech" - war is peace, slavery is freedom, ignorance is strength etc.). The technology used is circumstantial. TPTB have succeeded in US. It is apparent on this site who's an US indoctrinated pleb - the ones without a most basic understanding of politics, ideologies, economics, philosophy etc. And the ones that uses terms with to describe the opposite of their original meaning (like describing fascist/capitalist USA as communist or socialist). Or the US version of libertarianism (originally - and still outside US - a left-wing ideology against all forms of authority/hierarchies/concentrated power private or public. Now - in US - just old-school arguments for unfettered capitalism).

The DNA of humans offers many possibilities - yes, there're the potential of greed, egoism, selfishness, competition, materialism etc.. But there's also the potential for compassion, empathy, collaboration, sharing, altruism, idealism etc. The question is what part of the human condition do you want to base your society on? What part of the human potential will you cherish, further and award? Capitalism is based on the first - but I don't find it hard to imagine a society based on the latter...   

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MK ULTRA Alpha Memedada Sun, 01/28/2018 - 07:57 Permalink

Huxley's Brave New World is the plan of International Communism. A classless society, mindless, Godless and with one communist controller at the top.

Google and Facebook work to force uniformity of thought. They're the new thought police conditioning the correct way of thinking with the correct content. Most people know, we're being censored and we're not protected by the states judicial system. Communist thought, mind parameters and speech controls are being programmed (with alternative thought censored out) by young people working for these companies, brainwashed with communist indoctrination from their recent universities.

It's a Brave New World O-Rama, in your face, censorship of freedom of speech in the USA. Slowly but surely each and every freedom is taken away and the Bill of Rights is now an irrelevant document of history.

Robotic automation will make the human obsolete. This era will increase the rate of communist conversion to a Brave New World culture. The human will be beholden to the state, and the state will be owned by an elite. The elite, the Alpha class will administer. Ownership of the economy and state will become a distant memory as the human blends with the new robotic age.

Already over a million babies in the US are forced fed chemicals which causes brain tissue loss and lower IQ. The use of deadly chemicals on Americans has created an under class of damaged brains, a lower IQ. Over 500,000 veterans have had their brains damaged with VA dope. Over 17% of the US population are convinced they're crazy and are being fed chemicals which has been proven to cause brain tissue loss and subsequentl lower IQ. This number is growing and is over 50 million Americans, now reduced to mindless Zombies dependent on the state. The Epsilons of our Brave New World International Communism model for America.

The Epsilon class working for their Soma, their drug fix, to watch the feelies, is here in the form of the couch potato weed smoker watching TV.  (and you could say the same for a host of big drug company dope called medication which doesn't cure anything, or liquor, whatever turns you on for CNN style mind control brainwashing - the national television system programs Brave New World conditioning into the nation's mind)

International Communism is building a Brave New World. We must be reduce to one class with government controllers called social workers. We're to be ruled by an uber rich 1%. This 1% will kill off, force out, other ruling families, until the controllers are all Russian Communist Jews.

Out of over 600 American billionaires, half are Jews. By slight of hand, by crook or nook, the Jews have wrestled the nations wealth away from the tradition founding families. Will we be exterminated like in all the countries the Jews had absolute control?

RELEASE THE FBI ASSASSINATION TEXTS.

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Memedada MK ULTRA Alpha Sun, 01/28/2018 - 10:05 Permalink

Impossible to debate with a US-indoctrinated pleb - your language is destroyed/meaningless.

To describe an international system of privately owned corporations and their privately owned propaganda institutions (like Google or Facebook - or the MSM) as communism is an example of why they've destroyed your language (made it impossible for you to understand your own and your society's predicament). Do you actually believe they want their privately owned property expropriated (taken over by the state)? That would be communism - if they argued for the state to own everything. But they don't. 

PS. I am - by far - a communist, but a real libertarian (i.e. against concentration of power in states and/or in private institutions - like Google, Facebook and everything else in todays capitalist world order).

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Count Cherep MK ULTRA Alpha Sun, 01/28/2018 - 10:58 Permalink

Here is some background information:

The Ultimate World Order

— As Pictured in "The Jewish Utopia"

By Robert H. Williams

Excerpts:

"THE JEWISH UTOPIA", discovered by the author in an unlisted Jewish collection in the library of the University of Texas, is the authentic and complete plan of the Zionists for world domination. It pictures the ultimate "new social order" which the Zionists hope to establish after they have used Communism, democracy and a third world war to gain their ends.

...

If the Communists think they are going to conquer all the nations and set up a world government under a dictator of their own choosing they may be in for a surprise. For their parent, the sect which originally launched the Communist movement as an offshoot to accomplish a specific and temporary purpose, has plans for an ultimate world order of its own; and this sect, commonly called Zionist, now vastly overshadows the much cruder Communist machine in skill, finance, organization and influence.

The Communist plan for rubbing out all national, religious, cultural and racial lines and submerging the world in formless, characterless chaos for easy domination is grandiose enough. To say that there is still another, more grandiose plan beyond that for which the Communist machine was set up is indeed to challenge the credulity of most of us, especially of us Anglo-Saxons who are too busy with our humdrum routines to pull the propaganda curtain aside and see the giant hiding there.

Read the rest:

https://ia800308.us.archive.org/19/items/TheUltimateWorldOrder/Williams…

A Sea of Blood: The Truth about Bolshevik Russia

http://bamboo-delight.com/download/A_Sea_of_Blood.pdf

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Memedada jefferson32 Sun, 01/28/2018 - 06:06 Permalink

The state is just a tool of the capitalists - an extension of capital power...

The capitalist state is "...nothing but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie".

- Marx

State power is just an expression of the general power in society (what in US have been coined "the deep state"). That is, who has the real power (the ownership of the means of production/the economic power) also has the political power (the power over the state). To counter that power people needs to get organized (the reason why unions, NGO's, protests/demonstrations are being targeted so much by corporate propaganda in US)...

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el buitre E-Knight Sun, 01/28/2018 - 09:48 Permalink

Google and Facebook, of course, are allies of Soros' totalitarian Cabal goals.  His attack is just a diversion to try to regain a little of the cred which he has lost since the last presidential election and funding the flooding Europe with rapefugees.

If you didn't notice, the author of this article is sucking Georgi Schwartz's dick.

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Memedada Pandelis Sun, 01/28/2018 - 05:46 Permalink

Very true. In the current scenario it is, however, better described as bad cop vs. worse cop...

Its like the Trumpards that always throws are more stinking turd in front of you: so you want this stinking shit (another corporate tool like Obama, Hillary or whatever) more than my stinking shit (Trump and his cabinet of Goldmanite, MIC-general, Exxon-mobile handlers)...?!? 

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ChaoKrungThep Luc X. Ifer Sat, 01/27/2018 - 23:12 Permalink

Right. Orwell outlined the cruder, more brutal aspects of totalitarianism, which the US is now experiencing - mad cops, insane prisons, homelessness, poverty, starvation. Huxley offered a soporific vision of designer humans, opioid fantasy, and aimless comfort for conformists.

Both "worlds" exist in the US. The tiny minority who resist or even expose this horror are silenced. Or they leave. 

Thankfully I don't live there. 

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el buitre ChaoKrungThep Sun, 01/28/2018 - 09:58 Permalink

Soros, of course, was ethnically Jewish.  As a teenager, he collaborated with the Gestapo in Hungary.  He set up Jews who where trying to escape, by offering them ways to move their assets as well as themselves out of German control, and then turned them and their assets into the Gestapo.  In return they guaranteed his safety and gave him a commission on their take.  In the famous 60 Minutes interview, blatant psychopath Soros claimed it was the most exciting time of his life, and if he didn't do it, then someone else would.  BTW, not all Jews are Zionists.

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DuneCreature francis scott … Sun, 01/28/2018 - 10:43 Permalink

Confused Yet, Francis?

That's the idea. ..... AI AL likes you confused.

You know who we have to thank for our rapidly arriving Techno Tyranny (and our swell new shadow pal, AI AL), right?

No it's not the Cyber Grinch. ........ No it's not Cooooooobra. ... It's not the Wicked Witch of the North either.

The CIA? ...... Nope, but warmer.

The DIA? .. No.

The FBI? .. No, They're just armed thugs. .... The little 'mussels' for AL. heheh!

The NSA! ........ Ha, they wish they were as good at spying, snooping and collecting 'Control File' data as the real asswipes I'm referring to.

The Russians? ....... Well, all of the above work for the Master Criminal Bosses and kiss AI AL's cute little rubber bumper.

Who? .... Who, Dune? .... Please tell us! .. We NEED to know, NOW!

I can't tell you.

It's a National Security Top Secret Q-Level Clearance Ultra Black No-No to even mention who the Mr. Big Techno Evil dudes are.

I might get in trouble for even hinting at what their true identity might be.

Let's drop the subject and watch a light-hearted video, shall we?

You just know the bad guys and AI AL are listening to every word on ZH.

Let's go to the movies where we can talk in private.

A Silly Spy Thriller With An Aussie Narrator Dude With Hints About Who The Mr. Big Techno Evil Monsters Might Be.

Popcorn, anyone?

Oh, and that National Security Top Secret Q-Level Clearance shit I was taking about earlier. .......... It's not American National Security that Mr Big & Co. are worried about at all. ....... It's (((their own))) little nation that really counts....................for now anyway.

Until they just flat out take over the whole world and don't need a little safe haven hide-out any longer.

Live Hard, Sleep Through The Techno Spy Thriller Horror Flick At Your Own Peril, Die Free

~ DC v8.6

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FreedomWriter MozartIII Sun, 01/28/2018 - 10:58 Permalink

what an evil fuck. Pretending to be worried about free speech, while doing everything he can to throttle it.

First against the wall, but I suspect he will cheat the hangman. Now that he has wasted another 18 Billion on OSF, he is probably cutting back on essentials, like infant's blood or whatever it is that keeps his evil rotting corpse alive. I doubt he will make it to the end of the year. Dementia is an ugly thing to behold.

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dchang0 InnVestuhrr Sun, 01/28/2018 - 03:31 Permalink

He's more on the wrong side of this issue. Soros funding has gone into various organizations making and spreading countless lies via Facebook and Google on all sorts of political issues. He knows this, and he is enough of a sociopath to feel justified in fooling us when he says the right thing for once.

It's like the handful of firefighters who turned out to be arsonists.

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ChaoKrungThep Blue Steel 309 Sat, 01/27/2018 - 23:22 Permalink

Successful totalitarianism requires a vociferous opposition debating trivia (controlled by the state). Hence the vigorous debate in Vanity Fair over Oprah's "third hand" and Reese's "third leg". Are they reptilians?! The repercussions of this editorial anomaly dwarf the Mueller Russiagate case and must be investigated at the highest levels. Russians or Reptilians? Priorities!

Wonderful...

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HeyThere Sat, 01/27/2018 - 21:45 Permalink

This is the part where Soros offers to help "PROTECT" us against Facebook/Google....

....and crams Stalinist laws into place, so CIA/Soros control the web 100%.

 

Thanks Soros -- go F yourself.