Will Washington's Chess Game In Syria Lead To War With NATO Ally Turkey?

Authored by Darius Shatahmasebi via Mint Press News

It’s not clear if the United States knows what it is doing in Syria anymore. Having successfully toppled the Libyan government in 2011, former President Barack Obama subsequently spent a good three years attempting to bring about the fall of the Syrian government, under the guise of humanitarianism, that embroiled the region in chaos and civil strife.

Incessant calls for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to formally step down, combined with the billions of dollars in arms and funding for radical Sunni jihadists who sowed the seeds of sectarianism and a bloody civil war in order to divide and conquer Syria, plagued Obama’s foreign policy for years. And let’s not forget the extensive strike plan Obama drew up in 2013, which would have almost certainly extinguished Assad’s presidency.

Unfortunately for the establishment, Obama’s strike plan didn’t have the approval of America’s warmongering partner in crime, the United Kingdom; and was strongly opposed by Russia. Most importantly, there was significant disapproval among the general public and military, and the U.S. knew it would never garner the support needed to carry out such an intervention.

Then in 2014, the U.S. military found backdoor access by riding the international outrage and horror provoked by the radical group ISIS, which had attained huge swaths of territory in both Iraq and Syria. Anyone who had been paying attention knew deep-down that the focus on ISIS was essentially just a façade to pave the way for the U.S. military to take on Assad directly — though this scenario proved much harder than expected, after Russia’s formal intervention in 2015. With Russia backing the Syrian government directly, there was little the U.S. could do but direct most of its energy towards ISIS, with some minor, albeit noticeable, exceptions.

And then came Donald Trump, the alleged Russian stooge and lackey, who was going to focus on making America great again and who had proposed instead to work with Assad and Russia. Whether or not Trump has any say in the matter is unclear, but it became quickly apparent that the war-hawks in his administration are just as schizophrenic as their predecessors.

Working Through the Plan Alphabet and Back Around to Plan A

 

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, right, waves after speaking to the Hoover Institution at Stanford University with former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, left, in Stanford, Calif., Wednesday, Jan. 17, 2018. In a speech at Stanford University, Tillerson signaled a deeper American commitment to the Mideast nation of Syria, saying the U.S. military will remain there for the foreseeable future. (AP Photo/Jeff Chiu)

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson initially maintained that Assad had to leave, but then appeared to change his mind. Trump’s ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, only added to the confusion. Barely days after this flip-flop, a chemical weapons attack in April last year immediately brought us back to another strike plan on the Syrian government; and the go-to mantra ever since appears to renew the longstanding call for Assad’s departure.

But why did the U.S. want to remove Assad so badly that it justified manufacturing an entire bombing campaign against another force? There are many competing theories, but Assad as a stalwart Iranian and Russian ally poses a major threat to the U.S. empire, as well as to adversarial states such as Israel and Saudi Arabia.

In 2009, Qatar put forward a proposal to run a pipeline through Syria and Turkey and into Europe to export gas from Saudi Arabia. The Assad government instead forged an agreement with Iran and Iraq to run a pipeline into Europe — leaving out Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey completely. If these kinds of deals can be arranged under the cover of Russian air power, the United States risks losing out much of the region and its spoils to Russia and Iran.

Now that ISIS has been successfully (more or less) “defeated,” the U.S. is openly staying in Syria indefinitely to counter both Assad and Iran’s alleged expanding influence. Tillerson put it bluntly in mid-January this year:

“Continued strategic threats to the U.S. other than ISIS persist. I am referring principally to Iran. Iran has dramatically strengthened its presence in Syria by deploying Iranian Revolutionary Guard troops; supporting Lebanese Hezbollah; and importing proxy forces from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere. Through its position in Syria, Iran is in a stronger position to extend its track record of attacking U.S. interests, allies and personnel in the region.”

“Syria remains a source of severe strategic problems and a major challenge for our diplomacy,” Tillerson added. “But the United States will continue to remain engaged.”

The U.S.-Turkey Debacle

 

Turkish troops take control of Bursayah hill, which separates the Kurdish-held enclave of Afrin from the Turkey-controlled town of Azaz, Syria, Sunday, Jan. 28, 2018. Turkish troops and allied Syrian fighters captured the strategic hill in northwestern Syria after intense fighting on Sunday as their offensive to root out Kurdish fighters enters its second week, Turkey’s military and Syrian war monitor reported. (DHA-Depo Photos via AP)

As reports began to emerge of Washington’s plan to build a 30,000-strong Kurdish and Arab force on Turkey’s border in Syria, it became quite clear that Turkey itself was days away from invading Syria directly. To no one’s great surprise, the Turkish military intervened in the days that followed, most notably in the city of Afrin, before announcing it would extend its operations right up to the border with Iraq.

The U.S. surely knew this would happen, yet continued to antagonize both parties to the fullest extent possible. Neither the U.S. nor Turkey has the legal basis to conduct military operations in Syria, yet the two of them believe they have the right to call the shots as to the best way of handling the situation. First, Turkey urged the U.S. to leave the area of Manbij because that is where the Turks have set their sights, getting closer to the border with Iraq. A top U.S. general immediately responded by saying the U.S. had no intention of leaving Manbij at all, further aggravating the situation.

The only consistent strategy employed by the U.S. that can be ascertained (to a point) is that of maximizing the chaos in Syria. Even as we speak, Russia has begun a peace process of its own in Sochi. Why did the U.S. decide to announce its unlimited troop presence in Syria days before the peace talks were to commence; and do they genuinely believe their presence in Syria contributes to any meaningful peace for that country?

Just as disturbing is America’s unrivaled ability to commit itself to wars left, right and center without any domestic democratic accountability or approval from the international community. As The New York Times notes, this new Syria strategy is “illegal under both the Constitution and international law.” It was illegal when Barack Obama began a covert war of aggression to topple the Syrian government as far back as 2011; it was illegal right up until he began bombing Syrian territory in 2014; and everything the United States has done right through the Trump administration until today is equally illegal.

The Times’ assessment that allows for the U.S. to be in Syria solely to defeat ISIS is questionable at best; but it proves one thing: not even the warmongering mainstream media can put a positive legal spin on the plan to stay in Syria to confront Assad and Iran: because there is no legal basis to do so.

As it stands, the U.S.’ strategy in Syria is beginning to make less sense by the day. Turkey, a longstanding opponent of the Assad government, now might be working to establish a formal dialogue with Assad himself, to counter what it deems to be the principal threat: the U.S.-backed Kurds.

According to Robert Fisk, reporting from on the ground in Syria, the city of Afrin hasn’t even been bombed by Turkey yet, while Turkey has been continuously threatening a grand offensive to retake the city. That’s because it’s Russia, not the U.S., that controls the airspace over the city of Afrin, and any incursion into Afrin would most likely need Russian approval. By Fisk’s research, if Turkey’s army wanted to take Afrin, it could do so in less than half an hour. So far, there have been signs of violence around Afrin, but not in Afrin itself. Indications are that Turkey is relying on its newfound proxy force instead, in the hopes of re-establishing a sizeable anti-Assad force of its own — one that can continue to fight for Turkey’s interests without compromising its position on the Kurdish question.

There’s a reason that Turkey is arresting journalists and critics of the invasion by the hundreds even as I type. With Western media relying on state-approved Turkish correspondents without the capacity for dissent, it is unlikely that those of us on the outside are getting the full picture. Fisk is most likely the only journalist on the ground who won’t be simply echoing Erdogan’s narrative, and already he has alleged that Turkey is conducting outright civilian massacres, not “surgical” strikes on “terrorists.”

Turkey is a member of NATO. It has invaded Syria just as the U.S. has, but with what appear to be polar-opposite interests.

According to Haaretzthe real reason Turkey is involving itself in the region is not to stop an independent Kurdish state, but to stop Assad from incorporating the current Kurdish political infrastructure into his own future Syrian state. Haaretz explains:

“Russia knows the survival of Assad’s regime and his control of the entire country depends to a large extent on his ability to assimilate the Kurdish districts into Syria, with the ideal scenario being one that allows the Kurds to run their federation as part of the Syrian state under Assad’s rule. The United States also sees the Kurdish federal system in Syria and the principles of the Kurdish constitution as being no less worthy of defending than the Kurdish region in Iraq.”

The media won’t admit it outright, but this too is a deal-breaker for the U.S., and hanging the Kurds out to dry and drawing Turkey into a direct confrontation might be the principal way in which the U.S. can continue to dismantle any hopes for a unified Syria in the not-too-distant future.

Where Are We Headed?

 

 

A U.S.-backed anti-government fighter mans a heavy automatic machine gun, left, next to an American soldier as they take their positions at Tanf, a border crossing between Syria and Iraq (Hammurabi’s Justice News/AP)

Clearly, Washington’s distaste for Assad lies in his geopolitical proximity to Iran and Russia. This should be no secret, as the U.S. has maintained its view of both countries as American arch-rivals right through the previous administrations.

As The Washington Post noted just days ago, the U.S. has finally admitted its true intention in Syria:

“After months of incoherence, the Trump administration has taken a step toward a clear policy on Syria and its civil war. In a speech last week, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson bluntly recognized a truth that both President Trump and President Barack Obama attempted to dodge: that ‘it is crucial to our national defense to maintain a military and diplomatic presence in Syria, to help bring an end to that conflict, and assist the Syrian people . . . to achieve a new political future.’

To do that, the United States will continue to deploy several thousand personnel in the country and help allied Syrian forces maintain control over enclaves in the southwest, near Israel and Jordan, and the northeast, on the border with Iraq and Turkey.” [emphasis added]

Yet as long as Russia maintains a military presence in Syria, with the capability of establishing a no-fly zone of its own in much of the country, there is little the U.S. can do regarding Assad without taking on Russia directly. In the meantime, however, it clearly can do its utmost to put a dent in Iran’s expanding influence. By allowing its proxy forces to take over the strategic areas of al-Tanf and parts of Deir ez-Zor, the United States will put a major hole in Iran’s ability to link itself to Iraq, Syria and Lebanon as directly as it otherwise could. This bridge of Iran-allied nations, known as the Shia Crescent, is Saudi Arabia’s worst nightmare.

In that context, however, the current stand-off will remain a stalemate for some time, as Iranian-backed troops will continue to render America’s military bases all but useless — as they have more or less taken control of the areas that surround the bases, cutting the U.S. military off from using the bases effectively.

Whether or not the U.S. is prepared to launch a direct strike on these forces and go further than merely cutting them off is unclear, but it seems unlikely at this stage. Given that the U.S. knows Israel is itching to bomb Syria and Lebanon to confront Iran’s growing military presence, it seems more likely that the U.S. will instead rely on Israel to kickstart such a war. At the same time, Washington can continue to rely on its proxy forces to take on the so-called Iranian threat, without fighting Iran directly.

Either way, America’s schizophrenic approach to the conflict and its desire to prolong the war as long as possible does nothing to ease the suffering of ordinary Syrians. It should be clear that the U.S. has no desire to bring peace to Syria, as it continues to violate international law and aggravate other major players in the region, all of whom have conflicting and contradictory visions for the future of Syria.

America’s current Syria strategy opens up the door for a war with Turkey and a potential war with Iran and Syria. All the while the U.S. loses its status as the so-called global leader, with Russia emerging unscathed from the conflict as the region’s major power broker.

 

The corporate media would do well to follow the footsteps of The New York Times and call this strategy what it is: illegal — not to mention chaotic and maniacal. There is no happy ending to this story; but the least Washington could do is allow Syria to resolve its problems on its own, without further igniting a regional bloodbath.

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Bokkenrijder Toshie Fri, 02/02/2018 - 02:25 Permalink

Sure, Erdogan is an Islamic dictator, but Trump is a complete idiot who is in the pocket of Israel and the US MIC.

Not much has changed to the Middle Eastern foreign policy since Trump came into Office. Instead of "draining the swamp" and stopping the war(s), the US keeps on meddling into the affairs of Syria, keeps on provoking Iran and has done nothing to stop the bloodshed in Yemen. To the contrary, Trump has gone to the corrupt royal family in Saudi Arabia, done the sword dance and lick their asses.

When you look at US foreign policy in the Middle East (and also with regards to Russia), can you tell honestly the difference between Obama, Trump, Kerry or Hillary?

I'm afraid not...

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COSMOS Pandelis Fri, 02/02/2018 - 03:07 Permalink

Putin has used Syria to show the true face of the USA, as being just an empire and a heavy handed thug.  Can you blame North Korea for developing nuclear weapons when you have the 600lb gorilla that is the USA decide it wants to station unlimited number of troops in your country without any invitation.  Democracy and human rights was just hoopla played 24/7 on the screens of western dominated media channels.  RT played a wonderful role showing that hypocrisy also.  And look at that picture of Tillerson and Rice why its all multicultural, consider yourself enriched by the multicultural occupation forces serving the banks, corporations and globalists.

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ACP COSMOS Fri, 02/02/2018 - 04:47 Permalink

The true face of the USA, yeah like when 0buttfuck allowed Erdogan to kill any hint of defiance in his country?

Ataturk is rolling in his grave at you and other muslim terrorist thugs and apologists.

 

Attaturk destroyed the last islamic caliphate on Earth and now Erdogan is resurrecting the evil, disgusting, rape empire that ruled central Europe/Middle East for a half millenia.

Have you no shame?

If the US nukes this fake NATO "ally", I would have absolutely no problem with at all, whatsoever.

In fact, if the jews want to kill Erdogan, I support them 100%.

 

Draw and quarter that piece of shit!

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BobEore new game Fri, 02/02/2018 - 07:07 Permalink

Waiting to see if ANYONE would pick up on this truly disgraceful, new low in 'internet journalism'

According to Robert Fisk, reporting from on the ground in Syria, the city of Afrin hasn’t even been bombed by Turkey yet, while Turkey has been continuously threatening a grand offensive to retake the city. That’s because it’s Russia, not the U.S., that controls the airspace over the city of Afrin, and any incursion into Afrin would most likely need Russian approval. By Fisk’s research, if Turkey’s army wanted to take Afrin, it could do so in less than half an hour.

I wondered if it really could be true that we have come to this... that any ol lie any complete bullshit story at all... can now be trotted out and consumed without comment by a western audience so apparently dazed witless as to be capable of accepting the complete reversal of truth. And... it really is.

So.. usual... the rollback starts... here

  • "Afrin is a 'canton' in north western Syria. It's main city goes by that name too. It has been bombed continually for over a week now, the city hospital is overflowing with civilian casuaties of Turkish bombing. The attempt to take Afrin canton has been underway for over 10 days now - and the successful incursions limited to a small portion of it to date. Half an hour? Russia has no control of airspace anywhere in Afrin. The YPG has repelled successive attacks by the combined Al Qaeda Al Nursa allied jihadists and the armored columns of the TSK alike. Without help from anyone.
  • All of this has been consistently documented from the beginning, without need for the audience to even leave their armchairs to be continually informed of that ongoing situation.
  • In a sea of ever more shoddy 'journalism' and agit prop... this is indeed the worst researched, written and verified piece of complete crap I have seen yet - and that includes the 100% agitprop coming outta the Turkish puppet press.

Get a grip folks... cause reality is definitely floating ever further away from you... courtesy the 'alt-media.'

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francis scott … BobEore Fri, 02/02/2018 - 11:45 Permalink

"Russia has no control of airspace anywhere in Afrin."

This is an ignorant remark to make.  When you speak of control of

an airspace for a city, for the most part you are speaking of control

of the airspace AROUND THAT CITY, which denies any other air

power besides yours access to the skies over that city.  Unless, that

city has an air base of its own and a fleet of fighters, which I'm sure

Afrin does not.

 

While you consider what I have just said, you should also think

how the US and Coalition forces will resupply their deconfliction

zones if they do not control the airspace around them.  Or the 

roads to them.    

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OliverAnd ACP Fri, 02/02/2018 - 06:29 Permalink

Kemal was no different than Hitler; just like Hitler he committed genocide on millions of people. He simply changed Turkey's clothing; make no mistake the Turkish Islamic Caliphate has been continuous in history from the Ottoman Empire until today. Its just that from the 20th century on Turkey has allied either with Germany (WWI,WWII) or the US in the cold war. Particularly during the cold war times Turkey got away with pretty much everything, including the invasion of Cyprus. There are some good people in Turkey but many, especially the illiterate, which are most are the miasma of humanity. They need to be taught a major, major lesson for their very very dark past and present and pay for all the genocides while returning all lands they have been occupying since the Ottoman Empire. Ideally they should all go back to central Asia where they belong and duke it out in northern Iran for territory. 

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Mustahattu Bokkenrijder Fri, 02/02/2018 - 06:08 Permalink

Obama bowed to Mecca and Trump to Jerusalem.

Trump may have danced with the Saudis but Obama bowed deep and long before the Saudi king. Like he was the godfather. That is no surprise since Obama had a Muslim upbringing and schooling.

Obama did not get along with Netanyahu whereas Trump is best buddies with him. Trump loves jews and the WH has more of them than ever before.

Obama made a deal with Iran, Trump will break it.

These differences may still shape the ME - probably for the worse considering Trump’s love for Israel.

Luckily Putin got in the way at the nick of time but he has paid dearly for it considering the sanctions among other things.

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null Bokkenrijder Fri, 02/02/2018 - 07:13 Permalink

You been working on giving Israel a Handy?

How the heck do you know what’s in Her pocket?

 

At some point you dumb people will tip the scales and Force those of us to choose ... and even though we have no actual allegiance to Israel, we have to support it against such Asinine statements when they Falsely Malign POTUS.

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novictim stacking12321 Fri, 02/02/2018 - 09:46 Permalink

Calling Turkey a NATO Ally is like calling Anwar Awlaki an American.

From Wiki: 

Al-Awlaki was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico, in 1971 to parents from Yemen, while his father, Nasser al-Awlaki, was doing graduate work at U.S. universities. His father was a Fulbright Scholar[51] who earned a master's degree in agricultural economics at New Mexico State University in 1971, received a doctorate at the University of Nebraska, and worked at the University of Minnesota from 1975 to 1977.[14][52] Nasser al-Awlaki served as Agriculture Minister in Ali Abdullah Saleh's government. He was also President of Sana'a University.[14][52][53][54] Yemen's Prime Minister from 2007 to 2011, Ali Mohammed Mujur, was a relative.[55]

The family returned to Yemen in 1978, when al-Awlaki was seven years old.[21][56] He lived there for 11 years, and studied at Azal Modern School.[57]

Just because you have a passport or live in a country does not make you of that country.  Turkey is the enemy of the West.  It cannot be described as an Ally.  It's treaty membership is a mistake just as the granting of a Fulbright Scholarship to the parent of Al-Awlaki was a mistake.

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Is-Be Fri, 02/02/2018 - 02:28 Permalink

Are there any redeeming features about this subject that doesn't turn any discussion about it into virtue signalling?

Yes!

If NATO and Turkey are allies and the US attacks a NATO ally then that might give sound minds in Europe a chance to send the US/Israeli mob back to wherever they came from.

You've learned your lesson, Europe.

Don't get into bed with monotheists.

Easyp Fri, 02/02/2018 - 02:31 Permalink

You could describe US Foreign Policy in all kinds of way but Chess suggests some strategy and thought.

Inconsistent, disjointed, unthinking and contrarian roulette player who is clean out of chips?

OverTheHedge Easyp Fri, 02/02/2018 - 03:37 Permalink

Arms sales. That's the sum total of the policy, worldwide. Just describe the policy by listing the number of weapons sold, and to which party. Billions of dollars of ex-soviet weapons were sent to ISIS, so that hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons could be sold (and used, and therefore replaced) fighting ISIS. Can't rack up those arms sales unless there is someone fighting back, now, can you? It's just good business ;-)

US policy is not schizophrenic, just very, very immoral. The only problem is that in trying to sell to the population that there is a "policy" that makes "sense", you run into difficulties, because you can not hold up arms sales as being the reason to fight a war. 

At least, not yet. Coming to an insane empire near you, soon!

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OverTheHedge Rjh Fri, 02/02/2018 - 06:35 Permalink

Ahh, well - I was explaining to Ghordius the meaning of the word "minger", and found this photo as a visual aid. Someone then suggested that I take it on as my avatar, and I couldn't really find a reason not to. Having said that, I do feel it is time for a change - something with cute kittens, perhaps. I still like Headbanger's old animated gif, but it seems they don't work any more. (Whatever happened to Headbanger?)

For anyone not up to speed with the word minger: "Someone who not only fell out of the Ugly Tree, but was slapped by every branch on the way down" is a fair representation of the condition.

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MusicIsYou Fri, 02/02/2018 - 02:43 Permalink

There's really only three important questions:

  • Will it interrupt the supply of popcorn?
  • Will it effect the taste of popcorn?
  • Will it effect the butter supply?
ItsAllBollocks Fri, 02/02/2018 - 02:49 Permalink

Fools. Pathetic, warmongering fools. I wish Lil' Kimmy really was the aggressor the US is pretending he is. Someone has to stop the MIC. None of the self proclaimed exceptional ones will do it, none of them have the guts. They even let the cops shoot them at random without a fight.

DaiRR Fri, 02/02/2018 - 02:54 Permalink

I'm only in on taking down Turkey if it is a joint U.S.-Russian operation.

Russkies get Constantinople, NW to Bulgaria, and east to some point short of Ankara.  Think they'll rename Istanbul back to Byzantium?  I kind of like that.

U.S. and NATO take the SE from Mersin eastwards and let the Kurds establish their state there.

As for the rest of Turkey's Mediterranean coastline, make a new state from the coast to 75 to 100 miles inland, and let all the true believers in Mustafa Kemal's secular Turkey live there and rule it.  Prime country, new name, maybe Ataturk.  A vacation hot spot on the Med.

The Turkey that remains will be about half the present size, totally landlocked, still big enough to accommodate the resettling of all the Islamic immigrants that have infiltrated W. Europe over the past 30 years.  So European civilization is thus saved.  As a bonus the Palestinians can be resettled in the new Erdogan Turkey also.  Build a wall around it.  What's not to like?  Erdogan will get the true Islamic state he has ruined the secular Turkey trying to achieve.

I'm in on this scenario.  It is worth fighting for.

OliverAnd DaiRR Fri, 02/02/2018 - 09:14 Permalink

Russians have not ever had Konstantinople because with the exception of the Ottoman Empire and Turkey in the last 90 years has been Greek. True that Konstantinople was called Byzantium before, but even then it was a Greek fishing village. The Russians on the other hand helped Ataturk kill both Pontians and Amenians by selling them arms. While the Turks did the actual genocide, it was the Russians that provided them the tools... similar to what is happening today with their alliance with the Turks and Iran. You think this will not have an impact on Russian common sense? This alliance sooner or later is the end of Putin. Putin simply cannot pray as an Orthodox Christian and be friends with the Turkish and Iranian Islamic Caliphate. Russia is an Orthodox Christian state and is allies with the darkest Islamic states in tge present world. When the Turks shot down the Russian plane Putin showed the world how Turkey was supporting ISIS... how many Russians died fighting against ISIS? How much did it cost Russia to fight ISIS? and now they are allies with ISIS?

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oldone OliverAnd Fri, 02/02/2018 - 10:00 Permalink

russians need badly a way to counter the US blackmail - I mean, "sanctions" - Putin did a great job on arranging money for that; remember russia do not collapse under sanctions but somehow, manage to rebuild/renew  the subs fleet, to deploy some great new hardware (Armata MBT) and, on mid time, have some more $ to buy another thousands tons of gold. How do you think Putin manage that ? The deals with Erdo come at a play: the atomic power plant, the sale of S400, and the green line for the oil pipe... ALL that was Putin working Erdo wallet. Russia its not just still floating, but its emerging stronger. 

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COSMOS lakabarra Fri, 02/02/2018 - 03:14 Permalink

Hmm considering its Rice and Tillerson in that other pic I would consider myself multiculturally enriched by American apple pie, Skittles and watermelon flavored iced tea and throw in a bag of Lays chips because that is what will be served on that olive grove occupied by foreign boots.

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Maestro Maestro Fri, 02/02/2018 - 03:41 Permalink

These are all LIES and the author and people like him understand nothing.

FACT: the Turkish Lira is HIGHER against the dollar now than it was before the Turkish/Jihadist Al Nusra invasion of Northeastern Syria started. 

FACT: the Western bankers CRASHED the Russian Rouble when the Russians apparently disobeyed the americans and the jews and annexed Crimea.

IF

the americans and the jews were really cross with the Turks, the Turkish currency would have CRATERED at the hand of the american and jewish bankers.

SO

The Russians think they are being smart by letting the Turks have their way, but they're not.  

The Turks still have the support of the americans and the jews. (Modern Turkey was created by crypto jews.)

IMO

The only fly in the ointment are the Kurds themselves.  They have some heavy weapons and battle-hardened men and women now.  If they accept the necessary sacrifices and attack Turkey itself without delay, they can initiate a civil war in Turkey (20 million Kurds in Turkey) and bring down the current AKP regime in Turkey before the americans can put a stop to it by cutting off arms supplies and political support.

Otherwise

The Turks will bleed their strength and crush the Kurds in tandem with ISIS/the Jihadi Islamists, the Syrians and the Iranians.

It's do or die time for the Kurds.  They will never get another opportunity like this (i.e., heavy American armaments with ample ammunition and American political support).

Much suffering ahead for the Kurds either way, all of which might have been prevented if the Kurds had not committed the Armenian genocide along with their then-brothers-in-arms the Turks.

 

HowdyDoody Maestro Maestro Fri, 02/02/2018 - 04:37 Permalink

" The Turks still have the support of the americans and the jews. "

I guess that explains why the Israelis have arrested a Turkish professor a few weeks ago, and yesterday the Turkish head of a cultutral center in Jerusalem. Both are charged with terrorist offences. The arrest of the professor was widely protested in Turkey.

Which level of chess is this?

 

 

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Maestro Maestro HowdyDoody Fri, 02/02/2018 - 04:55 Permalink

Even after the jews murdered ten Turks and wounded a number of others on that Turkish Marmara ship bringing aid and supplies to the Palestinians, Erdogan's Turkish government continued to cooperate with Israel in the modernization and upgrade projects of Turkish war planes and other armaments.

The little things you mention are a ploy to keep goyim like you ignorant, which you definitely are.

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/06/turkey-israel-normal…

 

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OliverAnd Maestro Maestro Fri, 02/02/2018 - 09:28 Permalink

You need to get your head out of Erdogan's colon; the flatulence is toxic. The Turkish lira is falling and will fall even faster. That's ok because the replacement arms are coming from Erdogan's family... unless you are one of the majority Turks that believe Erdogan made his money by selling sesame seed buns and lemonade on the banks of Bosporus. While the arms are coming from Erdogan's family, the lives sacrificed for his monetary gain are coming from Turkish families... and the sacrifice will be larger than you can ever imagine. Turkey will be a fraction of what it is today with absolutely no European territory. Erdogan will be remembered for all the wrong reasons. 

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gwar5 Fri, 02/02/2018 - 03:43 Permalink

We're going to have to re-defeat the former 500 year Ottoman Turk Empire again. Just wait 'til Erdogan tries to get nukes. 

YouJustCouldnt Fri, 02/02/2018 - 03:46 Permalink

The U.K is not America's warmongering partner in crime, it is merely Washington's lapdog.  In the U.K. a million people protested over 14 years ago against the war in Iraq, to which the sociopath Tony Blair responded:  "there will bloody consequences if Iraq was not confronted".  It is never about the will of the people .  How can Trump drain the swamp when there are so many powerful pro Israel forces in Washington?

WTFUD Fri, 02/02/2018 - 03:48 Permalink

Time for the Trump base/supporters to exert their influence on him, as opposed to sitting back and thereby allowing the Neocon scum to have their way with him. Simple as that!

That Barry pulled the wool over the eyes of his flock and committed War Crimes, shouldn't mean Trump followers allow him carte-blanche to do the same.

squid Fri, 02/02/2018 - 04:32 Permalink

there can't be war with Turkey in Syria becasue the war powers act states that only congressional approval can deploy US forces and there has been no approval.

 

Having said that, congress CANNOT modify the constitution via legislative fiat and the constitution says that a standing army is illegal.

 

So many laws to ignore, no little time.

 

Is there a Cliff's Notes for which laws are to be ignored and which laws aren't?

 

squid