Korybko: The US Deep State And The Democrats Are The Problem, Not The Solution

Authored by Andrew Korybko via Oriental Review,

The latest policy recommendations by the influential Director General of the Russian International Affairs Council (RIAC), one of the most well-respected and listened-to experts in Russia – to say nothing of the entire former Soviet space – is causing quite a stir by waxing nostalgically about the Obama years and even suggesting that Moscow should embrace the American “deep state”.

Mr. Kortunov’s Case For Russia’s “Deep State”-Democrat Partnership

Mr. Andrey Kortunov is one of the most brilliant minds in Russia and earned his place as the Director General of the Russian International Affairs Council (RIAC), and his words accordingly carry much weight for the fact that they set the tone for countless other analysts in the country and even an untold number of policymakers who look to him for guidance.

That’s why it caused quite a stir when he published his latest recommendation earlier this week at the famous Valdai Club titled “Russian Approaches to the United States: Algorithm Change Is Overdue”, in which he waxed nostalgically about the Obama years and even suggested that Moscow should embrace the American “deep state”.

 

Director of the Russian International Affairs Council Andrey Kortunov

So as not to put words in his mouth, the relevant passages are republished in their entirety below:

“First, it is better to avoid demonizing the Deep State, which is perceived by many in Moscow as the center of world evil and the stronghold of the pathological haters of Russia. Of course, most of the State Department or the CIA officials, the Congress staff, experts from the main think tanks are not Vladimir Putin’s fans. But these people, at least, have considerable experience of interaction with Moscow and can hardly be considered stubborn paranoids, exalted conspiracy theorists or genetic Russophobes. Deep State consists of rationally thinking professionals, who are always easier to deal with than romantic amateurs are. With all its shortcomings, it is the Deep State that limits Donald Trump’s most exotic and potentially most dangerous foreign policy oddities.

 Second, it’s time to change the attitude toward the Democratic Party leadership. For some reason (probably because of inertia) the Barack Obama administration is constantly remembered in Russia in the worst possible way, with the two latest presidents constantly juxtaposed. How is Obama bad, and Trump is good? The stubborn facts show otherwise. For example, Obama pursued a consistent policy of rapprochement with Iran, and Trump returned to the most severe pressure on Tehran. Obama followed the international consensus on the status of Jerusalem, and Trump destroyed this consensus. Obama did not resort to direct military action against Bashar Assad, and Trump did not hesitate to give an order to launch missiles against the Syrian Al- Shayrat airbase. Well, who after all created more problems for Russia — Democrats or Republicans?”

Mr. Kortunov did indeed talk about other aspects of US-Russian relations, including the need for a bottom-up approach to improving his country’s soft power in America, but none of those proposals are controversial, at least not when compared to what he wrote about above.

A diversity of respectful views in any discourse is symptomatic of a healthy democracy, and Russian society is no different in this respect, which is why the dialogue on this topic would be greatly enriched by presenting some counterpoints to Mr. Kortunov’s article.

Deciphering The “Deep State”

The first is that the US’ military, intelligence, and diplomatic bureaucracies (“deep state”) are experienced and rational like Mr. Kortunov describes them as, but that they nevertheless bear primary responsibility for the deterioration in US-Russian relations under both the Obama and Trump Presidencies because the bulk of these professional bureaucrats always retain their jobs between leadership transitions in the country.

The President is supposed to determine the broad trajectory of their work in consultation with his closest advisors, some of whom are handpicked by him and approved by Congress to lead the relevant institutions of the “deep state” while others are more informal, but the rank-and-file members of the “deep state” are still largely more responsible for the execution of policy in practice than anyone else.

Unprecedentedly, many of them oppose President Trump’s stated desire to improve relations with Russia and have worked to unconstitutionally offset his plans, and the pressure that they’ve put on him to this end explains why he’s undertaken decisively anti-Russian policies during his first year in office despite his campaign pledge to do the opposite.

Seeing as how most of these “deep state” individuals naturally remained in the same positions that they had during the Obama Administration and would have probably still retained their jobs under Hillary’s Presidency, it’s inaccurate to attribute the deterioration of Russian-American ties to President Trump personally while overlooking the actions of the “deep state” that he’s still trying to reform to the best of his ability.

The “deep state” is rational – too rational, it can be argued – because it embraces a Neo-Realist paradigm of International Relations that sometimes correlates with Trump’s own views on certain topics but other times contradicts them like in the case of Russia, and the internal power struggle between Trump and the “deep state” is what’s really to blame for the worsening of bilateral relations, not the “amateur” President’s “romanticism” like Mr. Kortunov insists.

For these reasons, it can be argued that Mr. Kortunov’s belief that the “deep state” “can hardly be considered stubborn paranoids, exalted conspiracy theorists or genetic Russophobes” isn’t exactly accurate, since it’s indeed full of “stubborn paranoids” under the dual influence of the neoconservatives’ Neo-Realism and the Obama-Clinton worldview of “militant liberalism”.

That said, the “conspiracy theories” that he references are just a “deep state” infowar distraction to deceive the voting masses while the assertion that such a thing as a “genetic Russophobe” exists wrongly implies that an individual’s political views are irreversibly predetermined by their DNA.

To flip around Mr. Kortunov’s last comment on the matter, it’s more realistic to assert that “with all his shortcomings, it is Donald Trump that limits the Deep State’s most exotic and potentially most dangerous foreign policy oddities.”

Debunking The Dreams Of Democrat Rule

Relatedly, Mr. Kortunov’s views on the “deep state” clearly influence his attitude towards the Democrats and specifically the Obama Administration, which he thinks is unfairly “remembered in Russia in the worst possible way” because “the stubborn facts show otherwise” and apparently disprove the prevailing notion that “Obama (is) bad, and Trump is good.”

Mr. Kortunov thinks that Obama had pure intentions in signing the nuclear agreement with Iran, though it can cynically be argued that his “deep state” was in fact trying to co-opt the Islamic Republic’s “moderate/reformist” ruling elite in a bid to tip the scales to their favor in the country’s own “deep state” competition for influence with the “conservative/principalist” military-security faction, the failure of which would explain why Trump was tasked with “returning to the most severe pressure on Tehran.”

The enduring presence of most of the “deep state’s” personnel between presidential administrations doesn’t preclude the US from pivoting between policies but actually allows such moves to be more smoothly executed, as can be seen from the example of Nixon’s rapprochement with China in spite of Johnson’s antagonism towards it; Bush Sr. “betraying” Iraq even though Reagan aligned with it; Obama signing the nuclear deal against the former Bush Jr. Administration’s wishes; and Trump dismantling his predecessor’s plans.

Although the President might set the tone for the overall direction that each respective policy should go in and this sometimes reverses what the previous administration did, it’s ultimately the “deep state” that puts these ideas into practice and is able to maintain a degree of strategic continuity that advances America’s national interests regardless, though the case of Trump’s vision for US-Russia relations also shows that this same “deep state” can also conspire to obstruct the President’s will.

Another “stubborn fact” at variance with Mr. Kortunov’s nostalgia for Democrat rule is the practical significance of Obama “following the international consensus on the status of Jerusalem” and Trump “destroying” it since it inaccurately hints that the former was somehow ‘pro-Palestinian’ and that the latter’s announcement tangibly changed something on the ground, neither of which are true because Obama was actually very pro-Israel and Trump’s decision only stands to affect foreign aid recipients who voted against the US and the UN.

Looking beyond Obama’s highly publicized personal rivalry with Netanyahu and his populist rhetoric on the Palestinian issue, nothing that he did during his two terms had any influence on Israel’s occupation of East Jerusalem and unilateral claim to the entirety of the city being its capital; likewise, Trump’s words didn’t change any of this reality either and only resulted in word games being played at the UN and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, neither of which did anything other than attempt to comfort the Palestinians.

As for Mr. Kortunov’s juxtaposition of Obama’s refusal to “resort to direct military action against Bashar Assad” with Trump “not hesitating to give an order to launch missiles against the Syrian Al- Shayrat airbase”, he’s totally overlooking the 44th President’s responsibility for the theater-wide “Arab Spring” Color Revolutions and the resultant Hybrid War of Terror on Syria which dealt incomparably more damage to Syria and its democratically elected President’s standing that Trump’s handful of one-off missiles.

In addition, Trump only ordered the attack because he was under intense “deep state” pressure to do so after having been caught in a Catch-22 trap where he was forced to “put his money where his mouth is” and respond to the false-flag chemical weapons attack that violated his “red line”, but truthfully speaking, what Mr. Kortunov might really resent is that it only took a few million dollars’ worth of missiles to call President Putin’s bluff in hinting at a military response to the exact same scenario in 2013 that got Obama to back down at the time.

To respond to Mr.Kortunov’s rhetorical question of “who after all created more problems for Russia — Democrats or Republicans?”, the reader should be reminded that the Obama Administration presided over or was outright responsible for the “Arab Spring” and its attendant regime changes, the War on Syria, the 2011-12 anti-government unrest in Moscow, EuroMaidan and the Ukrainian Civil War, the anti-Russian sanctions, and the fake news scheme of “Kremlin interference” in order to suppress Russia’s publicly funded international media outlets and harass their employees, among many other examples.

In comparison, Trump merely continued most of the policy trajectories that Obama and his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton first initiated, and even then he’s tried to resist some of the “deep state’s” pressure when it comes to Russia, so as bad as he’s been for Moscow’s interests, one should wonder how much worse Hillary would have been she entered into the Presidency and allowed the “deep state” to do as it pleases.

Concluding Thoughts

Mr. Kortunov seems to have wanted to spark a serious conversation about how Russia’s “deep state” should respond to the disappointment that it experienced throughout Trump’s first year in office, and if that was his intention, then he remarkably succeeded by controversially reinterpreting the Obama years as something to apparently be nostalgic about and boldly suggesting that his government reconsider its negative attitude to Trump’s “deep state” foes.

In the spirit of dialogue that Mr. Kortunov implicitly encouraged by publishing such a provocative piece, it’s only fitting that a rebuttal be presented to challenge his premise that the Democrats and their “deep state” handlers are supposedly more preferable to Russia than Trump is, especially seeing as how he selectively pointed to a few decontextualized examples that were presumably cherry-picked in order to promote his argument.

With all due respect to this prestigious gentleman, his entire notion is flat-out wrong and shows that he doesn’t at all understand Trump’s “Kraken”-like leadership and his never-ending struggle to survive the “deep state’s” permanent Clintonian Counter-Revolution that’s being waged in trying to undermine the Second American Revolution that the President is trying to carry out in America’s domestic and foreign affairs.

Instead of ignoring the plethora of evidence proving the Obama Administration’s hostility to Russia and its international interests, Mr. Kortunov should have at least made a superficial reference to it because this glaring omission implies a deliberate partiality towards that political faction and the “deep state” in general, which is fine to have in principle but nevertheless casts doubt on how effective his proposals would be in the overall sense of things if they were ever put into practice.

Mr. Kortunov is evidently unaware that the same “deep state” that he finds attractive in contrast to Trump had a controlling influence in determining the Obama Administration’s anti-Russian policies that the 44th President’s Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ended up implementing with ruinous consequences for Moscow’s grand strategic interests, and that she would have given the “deep state” free rein to do whatever it wanted had she won unlike Trump’s willingness to challenge its most extreme tendencies (though with mixed results).

Having said that, pragmatic working relations between Russia and the US’ “deep states” are inevitable because there isn’t any alternative to interacting with any national counterpart’s collection of military, intelligence, and diplomatic figures no matter how much one may disagree with their policies unless ties between the two sides are formally suspended, which isn’t foreseeable but would in any case still allow for the existence of communication backchannels.

What Mr. Kortunov is lobbying for is something altogether different because he wants Russian decision makers to reconceptualize the American “deep state” as a ‘positive’, ‘moderating’, and ‘responsible’ force against what he characterizes as Trump’s ”romantic”, “amateurish”, “most exotic and potentially most dangerous foreign policy oddities”, which is ironically a very “romantic” and “exotic” view to have of the US’ most dangerous anti-Russian institutional forces.

In all actuality, however, the “deep state” and its Democrat allies are the real reason why Trump hasn’t been able to succeed in his pledge to improve Russian-American relations, and these two problems shouldn’t ever be confused as part of the solution that’s needed to reverse this downward spiral, nor should a tactical partnership with these two actors ever be considered if Moscow hopes to maintain the upper hand in the New Cold War.

Comments

BabaLooey DownWithYogaPants Sun, 02/04/2018 - 22:31 Permalink

Here's who the Dimbocunts have as a voting faithful following;

Dindus - too dumb to realize they've been enslaved - yet again.

The masses of asses on the dole.

Ugly fat lesbians - along with dumb ass "gays". 

Low I.Q. brain dead mouth breathers.

Illegals voting in Califucknia.

Dumb ass stupid millennials.

Hollywhack libturds - as out of touch as ever - and stupid enough to drive 50%+ of their audience away.

Old, liberal jackwagons, who are so fucking brainwashed by the libtard MSM they cannot process a thought in their head.

Idiots that want government in their lives constantly. 

 

NOT...a good group.

 

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GUS100CORRINA BabaLooey Mon, 02/05/2018 - 00:40 Permalink

Korybko: The US Deep State And The Democrats Are The Problem, Not The Solution

My response: Based on what I have seen to date as an American who loves America, I cannot disagree with what Korybko has stated.

To really see how the Global Elite, the US Deep State and the Democrats are working together to destroy America, go read information at the following URL: https://qcodefag.github.io/

The information listed at the URL cited above in this post is a summary of all Q-ANON posts for the last four months. 

I first began looking into this in Dec'17. I encourage anyone reading this post to take a peek at the information located at the URL listed above. You will be amazed. ZH could publish 100's of articles based on this information for months.

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Koba the Dread Perimetr Mon, 02/05/2018 - 00:43 Permalink

He is certainly what The Sakar calls a Russian Atlanticist. And quite a fool at that!

Hey, ZH? Whydja publish this tripe. I like your articles about how Yellowstone geyser is going to boil New York City or the giant meteor heading for us is made of tapioca pudding. You've spent the last three weeks diddling us about memo, mome, meme, momo, mmmm,oooo and Yunez, whonez. And it's all just a diddle. Just as this article is a diddle.

If there any news these days, you know, where an actual person does an actual deed and their are consequences from that  deed? Or is it just diddle, diddle, diddle, diddle, diddle, diddle, diddle, diddle, diddle?

Forgetdaboutit! It's just all diddle, isn't it?

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ImGumbydmmt Koba the Dread Mon, 02/05/2018 - 11:16 Permalink

Not to mention the "Russian Atlanticist" despite his vast wisdom, failed to project forward what would have been our current state of world affairs had Hillary won the election

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aza-2wopCFY

( envision the above video times 7,000 Russian Nukes + 5,000 US nukes, plus 1,000 more by the miscellaneous other nations with nukes= 14,000 "Big badda Boom")

We are not dead yet, because of the American populous managing to vote in a misogynist, pussy grabbing, egoist, fame seeking 0.01% billionaire, "America First-er"  "romantic amateur".

Thankfully God works miracles through flawed sinners like Donald Trump, King David of the Bible, and everyday assholes like you and me.

(Please note:which ever god you choose, as former Infantry I can assert there were  no atheists in foxholes during an artillery barrage)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmdxOk1kvBk

 

 

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HRClinton Perimetr Mon, 02/05/2018 - 00:59 Permalink

Agree. Either Andrey Kortunov is a CIA 5th-Column asset, or has had too much "Amerikanski Burbon".

To present the False Choice Paradigm of Demoncrats v. Repugnicants, is the height of political folly or the depth of a compromised player.

Hell, even most ZHers don't fall for that "Bait for suckers".

We all know that both (privately owned) Parties, the Deep State and the Surveillance-Military-Industrial Complex (SMIC) are only possible with the full backing of the Financial Predator Class, whose Global-Lust appetites and ambitions will not be satiated until all the world's resources and markets are under their thumb. 

All wars are Global-Lust wars.

 

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ImGumbydmmt HRClinton Mon, 02/05/2018 - 11:24 Permalink

"False Choice Paradigm of Demoncrats v. Repugnicants"

+100 ideologically

-100 because realistically, how does America exit the current "two party system"

Individually we can choose not participate, "Go Galt" expatriate to another country, or hunker down and sit it out, but as a Nation how do we bring effective change?

not a charge against you, honestly asking.

I have been saying for years "vote against ALL incumbants"

until they get the message status quo must change or end, give some other ahole a try at the position.

(exceptions made if you happen to be in Jason Chaffetz or Ron Paul's district, but even both of them have left the office as well)

We can't get on the mayflower and sail to a new world this time.

(unless some libertarian billionaire decides to BUY all of Liberia and invites us all to come aboard.)

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FoggyWorld swamp Sun, 02/04/2018 - 22:55 Permalink

And that's why the notion that Putin was backing Trump is so ludicrous.  

Russia had HRC right where they wanted her:  they knew she could be bought.  So of course, he misses what they thought was a mutually beneficial arrangement that she would have carried on.

This is why Mueller's performance as the American Javert is so outrageous that hopefully it will wind down.  

And a wiser head like Lavrov's I think would help immensely if Trump and Putin could spend several days finally sitting down and talking together.  The US and Russia have a great deal in common and would both do better if they would cooperate on so many issues.   It's Trump's call now and he should make it soon.

 

 

 

 

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otschelnik YourAverageJoe Mon, 02/05/2018 - 03:56 Permalink

Andrei gives a fairly good analysis of our real problems from the Russian point of view although ignores some of their own faults, like the untimely deaths of problematic people like Litvenenko and Nemtsov and recently the management of the Russian olympic anti-doping committee Vyacheslav Sinev and Nikita Kamaev.  Important to note that where the USA has a deep state, Russia IS a deep state.  Clearly our form of government is much messier and their form of government is more corrupt but certainly reacts better, when you got a fairly smart guy at the helm, like the Russians fortunately have now.

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Rikky Sun, 02/04/2018 - 22:28 Permalink

history will judge the Mueller investigation into Trump russian collusion as the biggest witch hunt in American History.  you just watch cause in the end pomp, duck and circumstance <> actual facts to back up assertions.

Son of Captain Nemo Sun, 02/04/2018 - 22:36 Permalink

"Korybko: The US Deep State And The Democrats Are The Problem, Not The Solution"

So... With all the treason "Donny-in-Chief" and the pied pipers in the Republican wing of Congress that have helped him commit treason in his first year in office?.... Lindsay "girl" Graham and John "Glioblastoma" McCain "aside"!...

Where is the "nut sack" of the Republican Party if the "Dems are the problem Not the Solution"?!!!

pc_babe Sun, 02/04/2018 - 22:37 Permalink

based on known Fusion/Steele efforts to craft the bogus dossier now, one wonders why Russia chose to collude with Hillary and DNC to perpetuate the deep state problem? [sarc/off]

Oldwood Sun, 02/04/2018 - 22:37 Permalink

Andrey is much like the Democrats constantly offering suggestions to Republicans as to how to win an election.

Nations of the world only seek allies if there is something in it for them. Russia is in their Glory days watching as America tears itself apart.

I'm sure Andrey enjoys being "helpful".

BobEore bigkahuna Sun, 02/04/2018 - 23:32 Permalink

Yes, I'm glad you mentioned that....

since ONE OF Trumps' many pledges was to re-open discussion/investigation of 9-11; something which clearly is NOT going to happen.

And in the light of which, the OTHER pledge as quoted here - to improve relations with Russia - as used to buttress the argument of this piece - starts to wobble, buckle and show signs of thermite melting 'stress' typical of the special pleading by which the guy always gets lifted off of any real responsibility for OUTCOMES (as opposed to platforms/proposals/visions/etc) and constantly refashioned as a victim of

rather than plaything and proxy of

that putative 'deep state' which is always running things when the narrative of this noxious type requires it.... but which fades to background noise when the TRUMP IS A REAL LEADER pump n dump storyline starts up again

in such alternately fashion that one never knows from day to day just WHAT mutually exclusive(to logic that is)version will be used to prime todays pump-fest... in which Trumps bestest 'shitgrinnin' winky-winkin small-handed 'hey, we're all in the know here' signalling delites his ragged band of followers by reminding them that 'world-class' leadership boils down to nothin more complicated than 'grab em by the pussy'*

when your hands get stuck in the nookie jar and leprechaun trap once agin!

*g e b t p.... a political strategy concocted to excuse any and all ridiculous violation of ethics, common sense, or duty of office... by always pulling out the Obama/Hilary card when stuck between a Cohn an Epstein...and a (Roger)Stone. Also known as... 'wookypeckers waltz'

"I'm the most successful person ever to run for the presidency, by far. Nobody's ever been more successful than me. I'm the most successful person ever to run. Ross Perot isn't successful like me. Romney - I have a Gucci store that's worth more than Romney." DJT

 

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BabaLooey BobEore Mon, 02/05/2018 - 00:24 Permalink

Trump got C.I.A."glazed" during the interim post election and swearing in.....

They all do, and have.

Plus, Trump's gushing love for the Chosenites....BiBi ReBOZOHoo

Post Truman? No no...the newly formed M.I.C., fresh off WW deax....and the O.S.SsssssC.I.Yeah....?

It's been "I Like Ike" and whoops...Dallas....and since then...one after the other....shit....

Ain't NO body foisted in office that HASN'T gone back on sumptin....Trump is just the latest....

 

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Jethro Sun, 02/04/2018 - 22:47 Permalink

Russia liked Obama, in fact all foreign governments liked Obama, because he was a cheap, anti-colonialist whore.  Of course they miss him because he diminished the US in about every capacity possible.  Would you stop your enemy/bully/frenemy from slitting his own throat?

simulkra nuerocaster Mon, 02/05/2018 - 01:05 Permalink

Yes. The walking brain dead. Obama sucked up to Iran because he was told to by Brezinsky, who is a Pole who hates Russia. This is old school neocon, the real enemy is your most powerful adversary, especially if its Russia and you are a Pole. The  strategy is to isolate Russia so it can be crushed. Creating a wedge between Russia and Iran would be a major win for them.

Trump seems to be following the Israel uber alles regional dominance strategy, which is bad strategy for the neos, as it drives Iran into the arms (pun intended) of Russia.

Why would a Russian think the crush Russia strategy is good? Brain dead or part of the globalist bolshevik deep state.

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Kat Daddy Sun, 02/04/2018 - 22:49 Permalink

There is NO placating the DEEP STATE and their Progressive Bolshevik, rank and file, Pedophiles, they are all liars and masters of deceit.  There is no good in them, only EVIL and would destroy the World to control it.

MEFOBILLS Sun, 02/04/2018 - 22:54 Permalink

assertion that such a thing as a “genetic Russophobe”  (Quote from article suggesting that there is no such thing as a genetic Russophobe.)

 

It is genetic Russophobe's. Even policy makers such as Kortunov are emitting hypnosis at variance with facts.

These genetic Russophobes emigrated to the U.S. from Eastern Europe and Russia. (Another reason not to immigrate.)

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-insider-names-jew/ri22217

quote:

The most vitriolic and obsessive Russia-bashing journalists in the media are mostly Jewish. The publications which push these writers most energetically are ALL Jewish-owned, and as a publisher, I know very well, that is where the buck stops.

On the policy side, the neo-conservative movement, Russia’s harshest foe, was conceived of, is led by, and consists mostly of, Jews. And their trouble-making extends far beyond Russia – they are responsible for America’s disastrous debacle in the Middle East over the last 20 years – where their crimes have been stymied by precisely one country – Russia. The psychotically anti-Russian recent UN ambassadors, Nikki Haley and Samantha Power, were put there by the Israel lobby, and given an independent brief, in other words, they answer not to their presidents, rather to their Jewish sponsors.

 
In Congress the biggest Russia-Gate tub-thumpers are noticeably Jewish – Schiff, Schumer, Blumenthal, Franken (although not as overwhelmingly as in the media). The Israel lobby routinely enforces legislation hostile to Russia. Bill Browder with his Magnitsky Sanctions – is Jewish.

 

Facts are Facts, and it cannot be ignored that those who are aiming their daggers at Russia are Jews.