Paul Ryan Doubles Down: Won't Call For DACA Vote Without Trump's Approval

Update: In a statement that could create problems for Democratic and Republican leaders in the Senate, Paul Ryan said Thursday that he won't call a vote on DACA unless he receives the president's approval - putting a bipartisan agreement to suspend the borrowing limit and start the process to lock in a two-year budget deal in jeopardy.

Though he told MSNBC's Hugh Hewitt that he thinks he has the votes to push the bill through the House, the party's conservative wing - the Rep. Mark Meadows-led House Freedom caucus - has balked at the senate plan, which they argue would lead to an unacceptable blowout of the deficit (of course, this didn't stop them from supporting the president's tax-reform plan).

Meanwhile, Democratic House leader Nancy Pelosi has said she and her caucus will oppose the spending bill unless Ryan commits to bringing an immigration compromise bill that includes DACA protections to the floor next week.



If lawmakers can't pass a spending bill tonight, the government will shutdown at 12:01 am Friday morning. Though Trump has said in the past that he would support legislation to enshrine protections for the so-called Dreamers - undocumented immigrants who were brought to the US as children - he has said he won't approve of any bill that doesn't also include generous allocations for border security, changes to certain legal immigration rules and of course, funding for his signature border wall.

In what appears to be an attempt to placate House conservatives, Paul Ryan tweeted that the House would vote on a bill that includes long-term defense spending provisions today.



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In back-to-back speeches last night, Democratic leader Chuck Schumer and Republican Majority leader Mitch McConnell heralded what they described as a promising and fair two-year budget plan - what would be the first of the Trump era - replete with legislative priorities demanded by both sides: Raising spending caps for domestic programs and the military by a combined $300 billion, providing a generous disaster relief package for states and territories wracked by hurricanes and wildfires, generating funding to combat the opioid abuse epidemic and - crucially for US debt markets - agreeing to suspend America's borrowing limit for two years.

With at least nine Democratic votes needed to pass the bill. McConnell was forced to agree to open a freewheeling debate next week on immigration to help pass a bill that will enshrine DACA into law, include funding for border security and revamp some legal immigration laws.

As it stands, the agreement would raise defense spending by $80 billion over current law in this fiscal year and $85 billion in the one that begins Oct. 1.. Non-defense spending would rise by $63 billion this year and $68 billion next year. Though Congress would still need to pass appropriations bills for both this year and next. 


But unfortunately for Schumer and McConnell, the deal has not been met with the same enthusiasm in the House. As we reported last night, members of the Freedom Caucus angrily rebelled against the deal, with one calling it a "Christmas tree on steroids".

And on the Democratic side of the aisle, Nancy Pelosi vowed during an unprecedented eight-hour speech yesterday to oppose the bill unless Speaker Paul Ryan agrees to open debate on an immigration bill - something he has so far been reluctant to do.

Combined with the recently passed Republican tax cuts, the US budget deficit even more than recent troubling forecasts such as those from Goldman, which recently predicted  US debt issuance would more than double, rising from $488bn in 2017 to $1,030 billion in 2018...


Still, as Bloomberg reports, even without the agreement from Ryan, Pelosi hasn't explicitly advised her caucus to vote against the bill, and some - particularly red state Dems who fear they might've taken too big of a political hit from last month's government shutdown - might still vote for it.

But more progressive members have vowed to oppose any bill unless a DACA deal has been reached first.

Representative Luis Gutierrez, an Illinois Democrat, said a budget deal is unacceptable without protection for the young undocumented immigrants and he wants Pelosi to pressure other Democrats to vote no.

“The deal has everything the Democrats wanted except immigration, because immigration is the glue that holds the Republican Party together,” he said.

However, another Democratic lawmaker said some members didn’t want Pelosi to make a stand on immigration after the party took a political hit over forcing last month’s three-day shutdown. The lawmaker asked for anonymity to discuss private conversations.

More details about the House whip count will likely emerge Thursday morning following a meeting of the House Democratic caucus.

Even if they do agree, President Trump, who has frequently inveighed against the direction of immigration negotiations, could threaten a veto.

But the real question for Democrats is whether McConnell will keep his word and following through with the immigration debate next week. With the deadline for cancellation of DACA protections rapidly running out, Democrats are facing a difficult choice: Risk hurting their 2018 chances with another shutdown, or risk alienating their base by failing to preserve DACA.

With government funding set to expire tonight at midnight, expect frenzied negotiations to continue for most of the day - if not into the evening...

For now, the market seems to believe the government will not shutdown as the Bill curve has normalized...

And the longer-end of the yield curve is pricing in the additional supply implied by the budget deal...


shamus001 Xena fobe Thu, 02/08/2018 - 10:59 Permalink

Yep! 16 years of "globalist embrace" welcoming in everyone, giving away a century of hard work savings, now the country is irreversibly bankrupt.  The END OF FREE $HIT TO ILLEGALS HAS to come to and end:

The bank account is empty, the cubbards are bare, the assets are hocked, and the cows don't know how to work anymore in order to produce things to give away.

One generation of domicile life for a wild cat, and the next generation of kittens will be domestic. 3 generations of free $hit for humans, getting more than their petty labor deserves, and they also become worthless to nature.  3/4 of the population doesn't know how to cook toast!

10 out of 10 Americans chose 1 pound of  CHOCOLATE over 1 pound of SILVER! (Thats how brain dead U.S. has become!)

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RedBaron616 carni Thu, 02/08/2018 - 10:31 Permalink

Don't care about shutting down the deep state, but we know that won't happen. Exactly why should government employees be punished for the sins of the idiots in Congress? That's just evil. They have nothing to do with it. I hope they lose your Social Security file and you have to work until you drop. How's that?

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bloofer RedBaron616 Thu, 02/08/2018 - 12:55 Permalink

Exactly why should government employees be punished for the sins of the idiots in Congress?

I don't think they should be punished for that.

I think they should be punished for being a bunch of freeloading bums who have devoted their lives to being freeloading bums who do no useful work, and whose "work" in fact has a negative impact on the lives and prosperity of everyone else in the US. Besides, throwing government employees out of work and shutting off the "free money" tap to them is not a punishment. It is mere justice to stop thieves and vandals--preferably permanently. Throwing them out of work permanently might also prove an encouragement to them to do something constructive with their lives, like engaging in useful and productive work that would benefit both society and themselves.

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bloofer bloofer Thu, 02/08/2018 - 13:05 Permalink

A few years ago, I spent a few days in the company of a young guy (around 30) who had been on methadone for over ten years, after becoming addicted to opiates because of a back injury that happened when he was around 18. Nice kid--or he would have been a nice kid if he had been about 12 years old. It was like he had been in suspended animation during all those years when he should have been maturing and developing skills and knowledge.

My observation is that government employees are very much the same. Years of getting a steady and comfortable paycheck, without any requirement for developing maturity, skills, and knowledge, has prevented them from developing much past the age of 12. While I suppose most of them can change a tire or make toast, they can't do much more than that--and they have little knowledge of the world they live in, and can't think critically. Just like someone who has been on methadone maintenance for many years. They're not bad people. They're just children.

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rwe2late Thu, 02/08/2018 - 08:24 Permalink

 Obviously, the only certain way to get a budget passed

by these Congressional servants,

is if 100% of the budget is devoted to the Pentagon and DHS forever.

lester1 Thu, 02/08/2018 - 08:26 Permalink

This deal is horrible and going to blow a giant hole in the budget deficit.


And who's going to soak up all these new US Treasuries to pay for it all ???


expect much higher interest rates, which basically erodes the tax cut savings!!

blindfaith lester1 Thu, 02/08/2018 - 08:46 Permalink

Once the California Democrats get all the undocumented illegal immigrants as USA citizens, they will TAX the shit out of them.

These punk Democrats in California think they have all the answers, and elect shills like this jackass and Adam, and Maxine to go to work on the Country's sanity and honor, and dignity.  FULL CIRCLE.

These people (less the kids) could have done it the right way. The deserve nothing for cheating, and ALL AMERICANS will pay for making them legal.  BAD MESSAGE.

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gatorengineer blindfaith Thu, 02/08/2018 - 09:25 Permalink

Someone needs to do a take or pay analysis, but I am guessing that the breakeven number on what you pay versus what you get  in free shit is around $50/hr (combined husband and wife) for a family of 4.

Illegals are in the sub $15 mostly under the table scenario.  I cannot envision a situation where Illegals are a net positive contribution.

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Bemused Observer blindfaith Thu, 02/08/2018 - 11:39 Permalink

Tax the shit out of them? Well, shit is about all most of 'em have, so...


Seriously, where did this notion come from? The Europeans seem to think it will work out that way too. But the reality begs to differ.

These folks will NOT be net contributors for several generations yet. It takes time to grow a taxpayer base, you can't just import one, fully-made, from some other country. And before that happens, you will be PAYING for these folks, not taxing them.

This is just delusional thinking. This immigration nonsense is just a desperate last ditch attempt to forestall what everyone knows is coming. No country "needs" immigration. It can be helpful IF you have a growing economy and can absorb these folks, put them to use. That was the situation we HAD back in the 1800's...a growing economy, an expanding nation. We didn't "need" them, but they came in handy, and we put them to good use. In return, they became a valuable addition to our growing country.

Today is different. We aren't growing, and thank God because there are no more frontiers to expand into. But too many still think it is as easy-peasy as just opening the doors and saying "Come on in!"



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shimmy Thu, 02/08/2018 - 08:28 Permalink

An 8 hour speech and coming from Pelosi. That's incredible both with how anyone could yammer on for that long and that person being her of all people given her mental state.

I wonder how much bizarre rambling she did since it's clear she is suffering from some form of dementia (she is about to be 78 so it's not like it is a surprise) given how many times she has referred to Trump as Bush along with many other weird things she has said. 

Boubou shimmy Thu, 02/08/2018 - 09:59 Permalink

That she has persisted so long says a lot about disarray among the Dems . Can't they dig up a strong inspiring figure ? Can' the fight for American workers? Where were they when all the jobs shipped to China? Nowhere.

Or are they just time servers, minding the shop for the super rich who really run the show?

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Rich Monk Thu, 02/08/2018 - 08:29 Permalink

Schumer, McConnell, Ryan, Pelosi are all swamp rats that need to be outed. Place a "Title 1" FISA warrent on them all, and bring their dirt into the light!