ATF Warns Over Spread Of Untraceable DIY "Ghost Guns"

Across the United States, mainstream network affiliates (local broadcasters) are frantically publishing stories and reports concerning law enforcement struggle to combat unregulated, DIY “ghost guns.” A ghost gun is a firearm without a serial number. It is lethal, untraceable, and perfectly legal, which has federal and state officials terrified that more and more Americans are building these killing machines in their own homes.

Perhaps the surging popularity of Ghost Guns is explainable. The same way Americans do not like corporations and U.S. intelligence agencies examining their emails and texts; they are now demanding weapon privacy. This is an astonishing shift in how the political frustrations of the everyday American are festering into an alarming trend.

Federal and State law enforcement agencies describe these do-it-yourself weapons as a Ghost Gun. It is relatively simple, with a few clicks online, anyone can fill a shopping cart with the components to build an assault-style rifle. There is no background check nor identification needed to purchase a Ghost gun.

The lower receiver, which is the only part legally considered a gun by U.S. Law, can be completed from an “80% receiver” lawfully purchased online. The remaining 20% of work must be achieved using a standard drill press or machine tools available at a neighborhood Home Depot. Once the lower receiver is milled, the gun can then be assembled. Total build-out time is somewhere between two to three hours, and presto, an assault-style rifle that the government has no idea exists.

Recently, a CBS news team documented how they purchased a Ghost Gun from a website and assembled it within a few hours.

“It’s not going to take a tremendous amount of gunsmithing skills,” said Scott Reitz, a retired Los Angeles Police Department SWAT officer.

Reitz agreed to supervise the CBS news team while a Glock 9mm with no serial numbers was being milled. All the news team had to do was follow simple directions on YouTube, which took less than three hours to complete. Once the gun was assembled, Reitz ran the Ghost Gun through a series of firing tests, where he deemed the weapon operational.

CBS says countless websites across the internet offer Ghost Gun kits for everything from handguns to the most popular assault rifles.

“They’re trying to appeal to a certain segment of the population,” said Dave Hamilton, senior special agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). “Felons who can’t go to a gun store and legally purchase a firearm, or people who just don’t want the government knowing what type of firearms they have.”

“There’s nothing the ATF can do,” said Ginger Colbrun, with the ATF’s Southern California Public Information Office. “These firearms are with gang members, these firearms are being are being found at various crime scenes all over the country.”


“ATF can’t go shut down the people who are selling these parts because these parts are not regulated,” said Colbrun.

“It’s really up to those companies to be responsible,” Colbrun said. “They’re the ones that are going to have to live with themselves.”

On July 1st, 2018, California’s AB857 comes into effect. This law requires 80% frames finished after July 1 to be reported to the California Department of Justice.

AB 857, Cooper. Firearms: identifying information.

Existing law authorizes the Department of Justice to assign a distinguishing number or mark of identification to any firearm whenever the firearm lacks a manufacturer’s number or other mark of identification, or whenever the manufacturer’s number or other mark of identification or distinguishing number or mark assigned by the department has been destroyed or obliterated.

This bill would, commencing July 1, 2018, and subject to exceptions, require a person who manufactures or assembles a firearm to first apply to the department for a unique serial number or other identifying mark, as provided. The bill would, by January 1, 2019, and subject to exceptions, require any person who, as of July 1, 2018, owns a firearm that does not bear a serial number to likewise apply to the department for a unique serial number or other mark of identification. The bill would, except as provided, prohibit the sale or transfer of ownership of a firearm manufactured or assembled pursuant to these provisions. The bill would prohibit a person from aiding in the manufacture or assembly of a firearm by a person who is prohibited from possessing a firearm. The bill would make a violation of these provisions a misdemeanor. By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

The bill would require the department to issue a serial number or other identifying mark to an applicant meeting specified criteria and would allow the department to charge a fee to recover its costs associated with assigning a distinguishing number or mark pursuant to the above provisions.

This bill would make a conforming change. The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.

YouTuber shows how easy it is to build a Ghost Gun AR-15 assault rifle in a step-by-step tutorial:


takeaction ted41776 Thu, 02/15/2018 - 19:49 Permalink

You are right....I don't think the shooters even saw the would have prevented this disaster...

make the sign bigger... "GUN FREE ZONE".  I can't believe we live in a world with so little signage.






I was listening to Wolf Blitzer today and he just can't help put his own partisanship into every comment...

"What are you senator going to do to stop these weapons being so easily purchased..?"

"I go to Florida all the time, I want to be safe.."

"Why can't you and the legislation get anything done?"

"Why are these rifles so readily available, and if we used some legislation to stop these type of high killing weapons getting in peoples hands, this disaster potentially would not have happened?"

First off, this kid passed the background check.  Secondly, we all know that more legislation does not stop criminals or wackos.  His comment about "Being Safe" in Florida...come on.  You scared Wolf....if so, you should conceal carry.

I am paraphrasing his comments...but he is an idiot.

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NoDebt overbet Thu, 02/15/2018 - 20:48 Permalink

I have family members who have done this.  As advertised, it's not that difficult.  My favorite home-built is an AR-style rifle chambered in .308 NATO with a competition trigger assy. and a heavy barrel.  I swear you could drive nails with it at 200+ yards (I'm personally not worth a cup of warm spit much past 100 yards, though)  

Please note, you can not SELL such a weapon to anyone else.  You can not GIVE such a weapon to somebody else.  Not legally, anyway.  It is YOUR GUN forever after you build it.


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canisdirus NoDebt Thu, 02/15/2018 - 22:24 Permalink

I was wondering about that in this article. Most of us gun owners know the laws better than most people know driving laws (in spite of being more dangerous and more people using/owning them). Last I checked any gun you made yourself was yours and could never be sold or transferred legally.

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just the tip NoDebt Thu, 02/15/2018 - 23:40 Permalink

if i may insert a detail no one is mentioning.  the reason this is legal is because it is a regulation and not a law.  it is sort of like the ATF will allow you to produce so much liquor a year for personal consumption.  same thing here.  the ATF allows you to have in your possession one unregistered gun that you make yourself.  if you go into mass production and sell or even give them away, you are breaking the law.  the law that is a regulation.


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jefferson32 just the tip Fri, 02/16/2018 - 01:45 Permalink

“festering into an alarming trend”


WTF is happening to our beloved Zerohedge? Is it turning totalitarian, a la Infowars? 


I guess it started a couple of years ago, with those Gatestone Institute articles you inexplicably started publishing. I guess your near-nonexistent criticism of the apartheid ethno-State that is Israel makes more sense now (I always assumed it was because you didn’t want to alienate some still-brainwashed conservatives in the US, for ad revenue or whatever).


Do you remember the years, Tyler, when you praised Cody Wilson and his Liberator 3-D printed gun?


There is no correlation between legal gun availability and gun violence

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TechnoCaveman overbet Fri, 02/16/2018 - 07:56 Permalink

A few more story corrections (that sadly will not get seen) 
1) "The weapons are untraceable" I'm sure both my credit card used to purchase the kit and the website have my address and email. 
2) "Unregulated" - firearm uses do not want sub grade parts. Firearms live or die by reliability and safety. Far more than other products like cars or computers. "Blue Screen of death" computer crash would never be a fire arms joke. 
3) What about "pride in workmanship ?"  Yes I built it myself. Many folks upgrade their firearms and gun smiths are not free (nor should they be. 
4) Implied danger to society. What are the FBI statistics on handmade firearms the story calls "ghost guns" 
5) "They are targeting a specific group of people" - Well yes that is what advertisers and news articles do. Yes there are good law abiding citizens who wish to leagally build and legally use these for years to come with *no* criminal intent. 
6) What is the source for "felons wanting to buy these gun kits" ? How many felons where interviewed? In my experience they want fully assembled and tested guns - not kits. 
7) BTW felons do illegal things. They get a much wider range and shorter waiting time buying real guns on the street. Having to use a credit card or purchase a kit from a store would be a great way to track them. Felons know this. 
8) What about black powder kits ? I can get one mail order. Are those ghost guns as well ?? 
9) The new law does nothing to stop gun trafficking. Buy and build the gun in Nevada over a Las Vega weekend trip and bring it back to California. Sounds like a business opportunity to me :) 
10   --- skip it. I'm over the "short attention span theater" limit. Have a great weekend. "Does Harbor Freight have a cheap drill press???"


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Dilluminati dchang0 Thu, 02/15/2018 - 22:48 Permalink

I just did actually, the part about why you could sell the stuff but not give it away free was the clincher.  I was disgusted by the left and the virtue signalers today as I caught the material on CSPAN.  I had a long commute and caught the entire afternoon program.  The obsession with the AR15 is just an entry into the 2nd, it would be a quad toy drone regulated next, and then a car, and then this..and then that..

And at the basis of all of this was a mentally in-stable individual who had been REPEATEDLY identified and all the existing "silly ass laws" in dept, in duplicate.. in multiple manners failed.

But the part that got me today most was the color delta as they hollered hate crime, maga hat and such.. was that these victims were white.. except the guy who held the door.. white.  Shocked!! Shot at school as if by the end of this weekend in all the gun free zones of Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit.. etc.. the killings won't abate.

It's obscene the entirety of it...   the guy is interesting.. for sure  

My guns are not semi-automatics, I proudly own legal guns, NRA member.. and candidly buy only Stainless Steel quality products.  I'm considering an AR now however.. because I think we face a tyranny where only the criminals will have them and as the article I caught shows.. is very simple…

I'm not saying ghost guns are criminal I'm acknowledging that the cartels, street gangs, burglars don't give a fuck about the body politics or the cocksuckers on CSPAN virtue signaling.. that my best defense is SELF DEFENSE.  And in closing the reliance upon the police in Florida to save your life when your in a building at a gun free school zone is pretty poor if you meet the gunman, IN MY HOUSE HOWEVER.. where there is no gun free zone.. the intruder or the gunman is at a disadvantage.

A deep wedge was driven as the assholes on the left did what they did with this trajedy.. it runs a deeper divide longer and will be a reason why people get further behind the NRA and punish candidates who follow the liberal agenda.

I'm not waiting minutes for police to respond while folks are getting murdered in my home.  I'll not call and report a lunatic threatening to kill to the FBI and consider the matter or issue solved..

In my home  I have that right to self defense.. I'll go hard on the fuckers the next election who don't see it that way.

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Dilluminati snblitz Fri, 02/16/2018 - 09:32 Permalink

I liked the video and the reason magazine interview it has me thinking.  You had three teachers take bullets in that last attack, and only a capability to return fire is appropriate.  If that previous assertion isn't obvious enough, then cops wouldn't need guns.  They could just rush the shooter and suck up the mag's count and content.  The reason article covered something that made a light go off in my head.. why the proposition of only a select capable of sharing gun building knowledge as was discussed in the interview, and then the part of the media "creating the act" finishing the narrative as was demonstrated by the news people taking the plastic gun onto trains, etc.  Or then the VA as an example.. I'm listening to the news and it's going to take 10 years to get to an EHR.  Ten fucking years and my spouse is working epic software and they will do it in one.   (you see how special knowledge works?)  And then there is another example both knowledge and the news.

And here is Leslie Stahl (that ridiculous cunt)

Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes, produced an investigative segment about misinformation on the Internet that aired on March 2, 1997.[22] Grabbe was interviewed on the show and presented as a representation of misinformation found online. Her comments about the dangers of anyone being able to create content on the Internet, rather than relying on mass media, led to further commentary online.[23][24][25]

Responding to

The End of Ordinary Money[edit]

In 1995, Grabbe moved to Reno, Nevada. In May of that year, he published the second part of a two-part essay, "The End of Ordinary Money" on the Internet.[16] The first part of this essay had been written in 1987.[17] In July 1995, the article was printed in Libertymagazine.[18] With the publication of a second article, "Digital Cash and the Future of Money",[19] Orlin Grabbe had established a path towards Digital Finance.[citation needed]


Digital Monetary Trust[edit]

In November 1999, a series of articles in the Laissez Faire City Times presented the Digital Monetary Trust project,[27] which was a proposed financial trust providing private, anonymous accounts for individuals and entities within the DMT system, in order to securely store anonymous capital or to make anonymous monetary transactions.

That is, the DMT will be in the business of providing privacy, and doing so in a cryptographical framework which provides a more solid basis for customer anonymity than the traditional ones of (allegedly) tight-lipped bankers or (often-leaky) banking secrecy laws.[citation needed]
—Orlin Grabbe
So here is Leslie Stahl (that ridiculous cunt) of the same globalist mind frame…
And I will tell you categorically that Leslie knew nothing of IT, crypto, finance.. but she sure had her fucking yapping flapping mouth into everything from interviewing Saddam and promoting war, to opining on how should be silenced on the internet, what were the best IT guys to suck her bunions.. you get the drift..  and this is painfully fucking obvious in hindsight.
Grabbe was right and now Bitcoin is a fact!  It's not fucking going away!  It's an idea and ideas can't be fucking legislated.  
So you might not like what you see or read, you might not like the judgement made upon you, but any cocksucker or ridiculous cunt who suggests that somehow India is superior to talented and BRILLIANT fucking IT people like Grabbe and other in the US is a racial and bigoted as they come!   Add to that the ability to only offer regret: (she regrets her report) fucking stupid cunt.. strike two…
And finally strike three.. biggest strike possibly?   her comments about Grabbe and silencing him.
We are I'm starting to assume in a rotten society with factually cocksuckers and cunts running the show.  These Hollywood for ugly people types.. politicians and news reporters have no real input into progress or innovation but instead allot of virtue signaling and PREJUDICES for the status quo or GREED!
So when I hear the current day ridiculous cunts on TV I tune them out.. I'm seriously considering a top level domain website titled "Ridiculous Cunt" and detailing Stahl's career.  So the phrase word becomes synonymous with her name, and so people learn to think critically and participate in a democracy more effectively and responsibly. 
The person who should have been muzzled was Leslie not Grabbe.…

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bshirley1968 Yog Soggoth Thu, 02/15/2018 - 21:28 Permalink

Article is complete bullshit.

"Ghost" gun or not, they are no more "lethal" than any other firearm.....and the mob has been removing serial numbers for decades.

The sample lower is a fake....for multiple reasons. Just a bunch of yap about stuff that is meaningless with people who don't know jack shit about firearms, the laws, or the surrounding related common sense.

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TechnoCaveman zaphod Fri, 02/16/2018 - 07:45 Permalink

Zaphod I like your reply Correct.
A few more story corrections (sadly will not get seen) 
1) "The weapons are untraceable" I'm sure both my credit card used to purchase the kit and the website have my address and email. 
2) "Unregulated" - firearm uses do not want sub grade parts. Firearms live or die by reliability and safety. Far more than other products like cars or computers. "Blue Screen of death" computer crash would never be a fire arms joke. 
3) What about "pride in workmanship ?"  Yes I built it myself. Many folks upgrade their firearms and gun smiths are not free (nor should they be. 
4) Implied danger to society. What are the FBI statistics on handmade firearms the story calls "ghost guns" 

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DosZap zaphod Fri, 02/16/2018 - 16:24 Permalink

LOL, they are making them out of Poly synthetics also,work just as well.80% kits for several Glock's/AR clones are avail w/tools to finish $149.00, and Jig $99.00,wallah!, no serial number frame and legal as bread.Cold guns (not traceable back to orig buyer) as seller, sell for 3-500.00 over new ON PAPER ones on the street.

Less expensive junk models 250/300, but will still kill.

Or you can buy a 3D printer for $4k, and make all you want.

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Pure Evil dasein211 Thu, 02/15/2018 - 20:53 Permalink

Yeah, there's still a few features that need to be ironed out.

Such as reloading a page takes you back to page 1 of comments even though you were on page 4,

or, when going to the next page of comments you still get half a page of comments from the previous page,

or, after a few times entering comments the page stops taking you back to where you were in the page and just reloads at the "your comment has been posted" banner

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MozartIII Fester Thu, 02/15/2018 - 20:11 Permalink

The feds ran guns to the cartels, the supposed Vegas shooter and others ran the guns. He is gone now. They run guns into the black neighborhoods in the big cities all the time. One source:… There are more!


Let me guess, there has been another shooting. So you are crying for more regulations and control....


Now they are pissed about receivers or other on-line parts. Cry me a river.... 3-D printing has made you old ass regulations pointless.


That is with out all the full auto's that you dropped into the country illegally!!


You drop evil all over the place, then cry foul. To people that are done with your stupid shit and see what you do!



Fuck off with your propaganda bull shit!

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GeezerGeek Kirk2NCC1701 Thu, 02/15/2018 - 20:13 Permalink

I didn't read the full article, but I saw nothing indicating if the identities he was accused of stealing were those of legal or illegal immigrants. Is it even possible to steal the identity of an illegal alien? If so, I want one. Then the next time I'm stopped by the police I'll just say I'm an illegal and they'll let me go. Isn't that how it works?

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acett ted41776 Thu, 02/15/2018 - 20:35 Permalink

The "Ghost Gun" in the lead picture is actually a registered receiver that you would have to go through a Federal Firearms licensee to buy.  It has a serial number and is produced by Aero Precision, a licensed manufacturer of firearms. Calling something a Ghost gun does not make it so. That sounds like something a politician would do, make a law with no idea what they are doing. 

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kiwimail Yog Soggoth Thu, 02/15/2018 - 22:26 Permalink

Yeah, I'm an old redneck who has been living in fear for the last 65 years sweating the batf may find out about the crude shotguns my friends and I made when we were 10 years old. A length of pipe. a piece of 2x4, a mousetrap spring, a nail, and some tyre tube rubber. Used different diameter pipe depending whether we wanted 12 gauge or 20 gauge.

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