4 Complaints About Gun Owners Debunked

Via The Daily Bell

When tragedy strikes it is understandable that people get emotional. But they often forget that the media knows how to pull the heartstrings for nefarious reasons. If a media campaign looks coordinated, it probably is. We should never let the emotions they trigger override our logic, and threaten our safety.

And we shouldn’t let whole groups be punished for the crimes of individuals. Nothing that one person does can justify assaulting or stealing from an entirely different individual. That type of thinking is what leads to violence and prejudice against whole races, religions, and nationalities.

Here are four common knee-jerk reactions gun owners get, and the data to respond.

1. “Nobody Needs a Gun.”

Actually at least as many guns are used in self-defense as in crime.

Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year … in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008,” says the report…

Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns… found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.

The best part is that would-be victims usually don’t even have to fire their gun for it to be effective in thwarting a crime. This also means self-defense incidents sometimes go unreported.

So these people are really saying no one needs to protect themselves. This is silly. Crime occurs every day. Owning a gun for self-defense makes you no more likely to suddenly go on a killing spree. But it makes you much more likely to prevent yourself from becoming the victim of a crime.

Otherwise, natural disadvantages prevent some people from being able to defend themselves as effectively. For instance, a 5-foot tall male with no muscle mass weighing 120 pounds cannot effectively defend himself against a 6-foot muscled attacker weighing 230 pounds. Saying the small man doesn’t need a gun is assigning him the role of victim. That is a cave man mindset.

There are a lot of things people don’t “need.” But in a free society, others don’t get to decide what an individual needs.

China once decided people didn’t need more than one child. The Soviet Union used to decide how much food people needed. Both of those countries also murdered tens of millions of their citizens.

2. “We Should just take people’s guns away.”

Who would take those guns away? As with most laws, the police would enforce them. How do the police enforce laws? With their guns.

So they aren’t really saying no one should have guns. You still need police to have guns, otherwise, how do you take away the citizens’ guns?

In 2015, 737,000 police officers killed just over 1,000 people. That is about one civilian death for every 737 police officers.

Somewhere between 70 and 99 million Americans own guns. 13,000 people died in 2015 from gun homicides. That means there was one gun homicide for every 5,385 to 7,600 gun owners.

Police are seven to ten times as likely to kill someone compared to a gun owner. And yet they would be tasked with taking guns away.

If people truly cared about reducing violence, they would never advocate taking guns away. The process would be a bloodbath for innocent Americans and police. And the data suggests the aftermath would be no less violent.

3. “Everyone who owns a gun/ that many guns is crazy!”

7.7 million Americans own a gun collection consisting of between 8 and 140 firearms.

There is some debate about what constitutes a “mass shooting.” But if we are talking about the big headline shootings with the gun-obsessed social loner perpetrator, we are talking about a handful a year, if that.

But even if 50 of these “gun nuts” went crazy every year and went on a shooting spree, that accounts for .00065% of all “super owners” who own an average of 17 guns.

You would have to come across 154,000 gun nuts before you met one who was even remotely likely to carry out a mass shooting. You probably won’t even meet half that many people–let alone gun ownersin your lifetime.

But many “mass shootings”–including gang wars–are carried out by people who are not licensed to buy a firearm. This means the current restrictive laws were not sufficient to keep guns out of their hands.

But as for people who follow the law and get their gun license, they are more law-abiding than the general population, and even the police.

So how law-abiding are police? With about 685,464 full-time police officers in the U.S. from 2005 to 2007, we find that there were about 103 crimes per hundred thousand officers. For the U.S. population as a whole, the crime rate was 37 times higher — 3,813 per hundred thousand people.

…we find that permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors and felonies at less than a sixth the rate for police officers.

Among police, firearms violations occur at a rate of 16.5 per 100,000 officers. Among permit holders in Florida and Texas, the rate is only 2.4 per 100,000. That is just 1/7th of the rate for police officers. But there’s no need to focus on Texas and Florida — the data are similar in other states.

So the general population is 37 times more likely to commit a crime compared to a cop, and a cop is 7 times more likely to commit a crime compared to someone with a firearm permit.

People should be thrilled to learn their friends, neighbors, and coworkers are gun permit holders. It means they are in the presence of some of the least likely people in society to commit a crime.

And as more of these “crazies” run out and get their gun licenses, somehow the murder and violent crime rates are dropping.

Between 2007 and 2015, murder rates fell from 5.6 to 4.7 (preliminary estimate) per 100,000. This represents a 16% drop. Overall violent crime fell by 18 percent. Meanwhile, the percentage of adults with permits has soared by 190%.

4. “America has a gun violence problem.”

America is a big place with over 320 million inhabitants. The spread of gun violence is far from even.

More than 25% of America’s gun homicides in 2015 happened across census blocks that contain just 1.5% of the country’s total population.


 Photograph: Guardian US Interactive Team

While gun control advocates often say it is unacceptable that Americans overall are “25 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than people in other developed countries”, people who live in these neighborhood areas face an average gun homicide rate about 400 times higher than the rate across those high-income countries.

More than half of America’s gun homicides were clustered in just 127 cities and towns, which together have less than a quarter of the nation’s population.

Small social networks also account for the majority of gun crime.

In Oakland, California, analysts found that networks of just 1,000 to 1,200 high-risk people, about 0.3% of Oakland’s population, were involved in about 60% of the city’s murders.

In New Orleans, just 600 to 700 people, less than 1% of the city’s population, were involved in more than 50% of fatal incidents.

In Chicago, analysts working with police department data found that, over a six-year period, 70% of non-fatal shootings and 46% of gun homicides happened within a sprawling social network that included just 6% of Chicago’s total population.

The point is not that gun murder doesn’t matter because they are confined to a few places and people. The point is that this is not an “America” problem as much as it is an “American city” problem.

And yet rural and suburban Americans and are often the target of new gun laws.

Why don’t these cities clean up their acts? They are giving America a bad name.

And if they are smart, they won’t follow the lead of Chicago and DC, which despite having the strictest gun laws in the country, also have some of the highest rates of gun violence.

Where does this culture of violence come from?

The United States government. It is an extremely violent government. The police are more violent than other developed countries. And the military is involved in constant war. Killing is justified if it is for a good reason.

Many mass shooters are obsessed with the military or express interest in law enforcement. Many shootings happen in especially coercive environments like schools and on military bases. Most shooters have some kind of mental illness and are on prescription drugs. These mental conditions can be attributed to social isolation caused by coercive authorities such as parents, employers, and especially government officials/ policies.

It is the violent coercive political structure which underwrites the fabric of our society that is to blame for mass shootings. Until we base our society on consent, there will be so significant relief.

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Aggie5 Fri, 02/16/2018 - 14:20 Permalink

American does not have a gun problem. It has a blacks with guns problem. The majority of crimes committed with guns are as the story says, within limited geographic areas. 

NumbersUsa iamrefreshed Sat, 02/17/2018 - 01:09 Permalink

It's the murderous warmongering jew supremacists as always clamoring for more & more wars !!

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not dead yet Two Theives an… Sat, 02/17/2018 - 00:25 Permalink

Gotta correct you on one point. BLM and other black organizations are using their people as a weapon pointed at WHITE Americas cash. With their constant harping of whitey is gonna get ya and whitey owes you they hype up their people and exploit them to get power and cash in their own pockets. Any criticism against black excesses is quashed with the race card. Thus saviors like BLM need the ghetto violence to justify their existence and won't march or work in black areas to stop it. With videos and CRAP music the young blacks are conditioned that sex, drugs, skipping school, gangs, and violence are keys to being a real man. Black leadership never criticizes that message. With the message pounded into them by black leadership for decades that whitey is out to get them blacks don't trust whitey so whitey relies on the black leadership to cure a problem they don't want cured. Blacks can kill as many blacks as they want but BLM and the rest could care less as long as the golden goose stays alive. Unfortunately far too many dim bulb whites have bought into the white racism message and are suckered into supporting the black leaderships role in exploiting their people.

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SoDamnMad not dead yet Sat, 02/17/2018 - 01:27 Permalink

JFK signed the first Affirmative Action bill in 1964.  Over 50 years we have had Affirmative Action. Can you show me what we got for that?  Look at the school age spelling bee winners and the science fair winners. Who do you see? Asians and Indian kids.  Look at medical research. Who do you see? Asians and Indian researchers.  Hmmmn And now California is pushing them out of line in the colleges and universities in order to recruit our Affirmative Action brothers and sisters. I hope they have help reading the application forms. 

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TheAnswerIs42 E-Knight Sat, 02/17/2018 - 15:49 Permalink

Not only is the MSM completely silent, but the former first only black POTUS was completely silent.

Any other decent human in that position would have used the "bully pulpit" to excoriate the black communities to clean themselves up or face the consequences.

A real wakeup call.

Show the world what you are made of.

They could have done it but did not.

Now sleep in the bed you made.


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j0nx Aggie5 Sat, 02/17/2018 - 09:15 Permalink

That’s the crux of the problem in America. If it’s anyone other than a white, Christian, heterosexual male then you can’t talk about facts because it would be some kind of ‘ist’. White, Christian, heterosexual males are open season in this country though and that shit is getting real old real fast. 

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TeethVillage88s Fri, 02/16/2018 - 14:24 Permalink

The Human Experience is Greed, Envy, Sloth, Gluttony, ... lots of negative human emotions.

- TV, Anti-Trust Media, Social media, Advertising, Politicians, Fake News, Lawyers, Lobbyist, Secrecy regarding Wealthy people, their deals, dealings, FIREs Industry, Usury, 98 different types of Taxes, Economics, Trade Economy, Globalism, Wealth Extraction, Tax Sheltering/Avoidance offshore, Use of Slave Labor to drive down Labor Rates, Govt Statistics, 100 Million Not in the Labor Force but of working age, Planned Inflation being an Assault on the Losers of the Economy Old, Infirm, Diseased, Fixed Income, Retired, those with Criminal Records of bad Background Info, those that prefer research, writing, art, amateur science... and the fact that Wealth and Income Gaps are Increasing in our Financialized Economy, our Post Industrial-Post Keynesian Economy.

- But we also lie about being able to afford the most expensive Military in the World

- We also Lie about being able to Alford the most Litigious kind of Nation with the Most expensive Health Care System while Govt fails to even discuss sacred cows that are so expensive/that extract our wealth each year

- Oh and we Criminalize the most people in the world, and have the most number of Prisoners (Sounds very English)

Smiddywesson Fri, 02/16/2018 - 15:02 Permalink

Guns tend to add up when you use them for work, sports, or hunting.  Setting an arbitrary limit on gun ownership #s ignores the fact that they last for centuries, and take so many forms, that you are really comparing apples and oranges when you total up your "collection."  I have guns handed down from Grand Dad, one of which has never been shot and never will be shot.  I have guns that are kids guns, small stocks and chambered in .22LR.  I'm not a hunter, but if I were, I'd have an array of guns based on what I shot.  People own dilapidated guns, target guns, even partial guns missing pieces.  How many is too many?  Don't be ridiculous, the answer is the same one I give my wife, I only need one more.

Smiddywesson Fri, 02/16/2018 - 15:05 Permalink

America has always owned more guns than they could shoot.  What's changed is MARXISM disguised as the modern left has slowly dismantled (white) Western Culture in their quest to remake a one world people and one world government.  The results have demonstrably shown that we are not one people, and certain groups cannot be trusted to follow the law or even take care of themselves. 

Cloud9.5 Mr_Potatohead Sat, 02/17/2018 - 07:33 Permalink

Smiddy, stand your ground.  ATF learned the hard way that it is not a good idea to kick in armed and alerted people’s doors in an effort to confiscate people’s guns.  Waco to date is a one off event.  Should it become common place, the three percent will wake up and the besiegers will become besieged.  Imagine what would have happened at Waco if the feds at the end of the first week found themselves surrounded by three percent of the population of just the state of Texas.  There would have been a peaceful solution and those women and children would still be alive today.

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not dead yet Smiddywesson Sat, 02/17/2018 - 00:39 Permalink

Most of this started when they turned boys into emasculated insecure pussies who can't take criticism or feel left out. Thus they get a gun and blow away people after enduring being "disrespected" or doing it for the glory and being noticed. If all of us non pussies blew away people every time we were insulted or "disrespected" there wouldn't be a human left on the planet. Sheltering kids from criticism and real life just creates potential bombs that could go off at any time. The intellectuals and educators who push this crap are too stupid to know this as they live in their own little world far removed from reality.

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HardAssets Smiddywesson Sat, 02/17/2018 - 13:22 Permalink

We tend to fall into the trap of arguing about what’s insignificant in terms of numbers. You’re more likely to be struck by lightning than be a victim in a mass shooting. For obvious reasons events like this get a lot of attention, but there is No rash of such shootings.

Research indicates that there are great numbers of instances every year in the U.S. where a good guy used a gun to scare off a criminal before they could victimize someone. In most of those instances No shots were even fired. 

So given how very few such shootings occur, it is very likely that further un-Constitutional restrictions of the American people’s gun rights will actually cause more deaths and injuries than if nothing is done.

This is not about We The People’s ‘safety’. This is about the pushing of an agenda to dismantle the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.


Neo-feudal serfs are not allowed to be effectively armed.

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One of We Fri, 02/16/2018 - 15:31 Permalink

"Small social networks also account for the majority of gun crime."   I don't think I've ever heard a gang called a "small social network" lol.

Earth Ling Fri, 02/16/2018 - 15:33 Permalink

I am grateful the author pointed out how insanely violent our country is. If liberals could think straight they'd want to disarm those who cause the most harm. They'd start with the military then move to the cops.

I'm sure I'll take some grief for this, but personally I'd like to live in a world where the most dangerous weapon is a hunting rifle. No missiles, no bombs, no aircraft carriers, no fighter jets, no nukes. I would bet that the vast majority of people globally would agree and would be more than willing to police their own neighbors, localities and countries. The people who would disagree would tend to be oppressors who are rightfully hated. Israel and the US of A come to mind. 

Imagine the wealth and peace we would all have if none of our money was wasted on military spending and all the misery it causes.

Dumpster Elite Earth Ling Fri, 02/16/2018 - 16:07 Permalink

In the small town I live in, basically EVERYONE owns guns, and more than one, at the minimum. Lots of hunters, lots of target shooters. I have many. There is gun fire to be heard basically from dawn til dusk almost daily, because either someone is hunting, or range-shooting. Amazingly, there are, and have been, ZERO murders! How can that be??? We're all crazy-ass gun nuts! 

There is a reason for gun-related murders, but lawful, legal ownership of guns ain't the reason. The reason is as plain as day, and right out there in plain sight, but we're not allowed to talk about it.

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VisceralFat1 Fri, 02/16/2018 - 15:58 Permalink

1.FALSE. i need a gun

2.FALSE. who the fuck is this "we" character

3.FALSE. those who think the cops will be there in time to stop the rape/murder/(insert violent crime here) are bat-shit-crazy

4.FALSE. mexico has a gun problem