Bitcoin or British Pound 'Pretty Much Failed' As Currency?

- Bitcoin has 'pretty much failed' as a currency says Bank of England Carney
- Bitcoin is neither a store of value nor a useful way to buy things - BOE's Carney
- Project fear against crypto-currencies or an out of control investing bubble?
- Bitcoin will likely recover in value but is speculative and not for widows and orphans
- British pound has been a terrible store of value - unlike gold
- Pound collapsed 30% in 2016 and down 11.5% per annum versus gold in last 15 years
- Fiat currency experiment may fail and dollar set to lose reserve currency status

Gold in GBP 10 Years interview GoldCore

Sputnik: After a significant fall in the currency during December and January, Bitcoin is showing signs of a recovery in value. Could we see the coin regain value pre-2018 levels?

Mark: Yes, it’s quite possible, given the state of markets these days with the amount of liquidity that’s sloshing around the financial system due to QE and ultra loose monetary policies.

So the short answer is yes we could. But nobody has a crystal ball and nobody knows for definite. I think it’s quite interesting from a speculation point of view and I think that’s how some of the smart money around the world is seeing it — as an interesting speculation. However, it is very high risk, people need to be aware of that and it’s not for 'widows and orphans'.

Given the degree of volatility we’ve seen in recent weeks and the massive 60% collapse we saw and also the huge risks we see with the various crypto exchanges around the world. The risk is Bitcoin’s volatility itself but also the intermediate risk and the counterpart risk behind how you own that bitcoin with exchanges having been hacked and subject to fraud.

Sputnik: Are these recent comments from Carney another attempt of asserting elements of ‘project fear’ against potential crypto-investors or a stark statement of an out of control investing bubble?

Mark: I think it’s a bit of both. I think there is a bit of an element of project fear and a lot of the central banks seem to feel threatened by Bitcoin but at the same time I think the wider cryptocurrency marketplace has been showing signs of an out of control bubble.

The cryptocurrencies – most of them, and there’s hundreds of them, were surging in value going up ten, fifty, a hundred times in value ... some of them. Bitcoin, Ethereum and one or two others have real world applications, but who’s to know which cryptos will survive?

Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of England, said they have not been a medium exchange and that’s true for a period of time now. And that’s the real vision of Satoshi Nakamoto, the Founder of Bitcoin, so it’s not a medium exchange now and it’s not showing the characteristics of storing value in recent weeks, but who’s to know? History will tell us in time whether Bitcoin does become a store for value ... and it possibly could. It’s hard to know – at this stage as there is a degree of volatility that suggests that it won’t be but who knows ... there are so many variables and this may change over time.

Sputnik: Back in January, we were seeing a lot people who invested in Bitcoin and other crypto-currencies actually sell and re-invest in fiat depressed currencies like Gold and Silver. Are we seeing a return of traditional assets?

Mark: There definitely was a move and we saw that ourselves, I think the smarter people in the cryptocurrency space realized the gains we were seeing were oversized and we were therefore due a sharp correction. Some of those guys were diversifying into Gold and Silver, the two primary precious metals which have a proven store of value over time with a huge amount of research behind them, showing that they are hedges and a store of value.

I think this trend will continue due to the degree of volatility we’re seeing in markets and also the big risks that are out there in terms of things like Brexit and the Trump presidency. There is a lot of political and economic uncertainty out there which will lead to an increased demand for gold.

Ultimately, Gold is a reliable store of value as fiat currencies haven’t been a store of value for some time.

Mark Carney is now presiding over The Bank of England and sterling itself has been a terrible store of value. Sterling fell 30.2% in 2016 alone after the Brexit vote and that’s a massive fall in the value of sterling in one year. Over the last 15 years sterling was down 11.4% per annum against gold (see table above).

Gold has clearly shown its characteristics as a way to protect yourself as a true store of value against devaluation of fiat currencies. Fiat currencies lose their value over time.

There have been many reserve currencies throughout history. If you go back to 1450, it was the Portuguese who had the reserve currency of the world. It was then the Spanish, then the Dutch, then the French, then England during the British Empire and finally, more recently we have the American Dollar as the reserve currency of the world.

The dollar and the degree of debt that Trump is running up is out of control. Trump is running up a 1 trillion-dollar plus deficits now so I think there is a real risk that the dollar and other fiat currencies are going to be further debased in the coming years.

It’s for this reason that so many techies and investors believe in Bitcoin, because they think it will act as a hedge against this risk in the same way that gold does. I think that this has yet to be seen. It may well do, but there is no guarantee because there are so many variables. interview transcript here


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Thom Paine Wed, 02/21/2018 - 09:34 Permalink

I have gold, I have silver, and was never a fan of the Bitcoin mania....However I think the idea that Bitcoin has failed is wrong.


These crypto 'currencies' needed a good old fashioned thrashing to knock sense into people, and lead to some sort of sensible stable behavior.  I suspect that they will now begin to 'sort of' settle down and become predictable based  normal levels of supply and demand / turnover, I think that is the way it is headed.

Apart from people wanting to make a quick killing in fairyland, things like Cryptos offer an alternative place to put money outside the system... i.e if you are worried about banks with your cash, have too much in gold and silver and cash...and need some diversification, a crypto may be useful.

. . . _ _ _ . . . Wed, 02/21/2018 - 10:33 Permalink outside the system...

 @Thom Paine - Exactly, but there's more.

I suppose everyone here knows how I feel about cryptos by now, so instead of getting into arguments in the comments section, I've helped write an article with Mr. White that pretty much sums it all up.
I think it might be a good piece for no-coiners to read as it puts most of the claims against cryptos to rest.
It's a bit of a monster, but I think it is probably worth a bookmark to keep as a reference. It isn't too technical either.
I hope it will be of some use.

The article can be found here.

JibjeResearch Wed, 02/21/2018 - 10:53 Permalink

BoE lolz

Bwaha ahah ahahhhah ahahahahhaha....

Blockchain is a direct competition against all central planners, public or private!

Decentralized blockchain is a true democracy, not representative republic, not socialism, not communism, not capitalism, not mercantilism ... , not monarchy, and not traditional religion...


markj113 Wed, 02/21/2018 - 11:26 Permalink

When the price of Bitcoin stabilizes it will be the end of it.

Most people have no interest in Bitcoin or Blockchain tech, they only reason they have bitcoin is the belief it will "Go to the moon" and make them all overnight millionaires.  When the realization hits this is not going to happen they will just dump it and move on to the next tulip/beanie baby/crypto get rich quick scheme.

Aireannpure Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:05 Permalink

BTC was never a currency. A collection of currency waiting to be transacted. Crypto checking account with taxes and fees. Look to DAG/tangle for crypto transactions. Fiat currency cannot by definition be a store of value ever. Keep stacking my friend. And lastly, no one is declaring taxes on BTC transactions?? Houston/IRS we have a problem. Enjoy your audit.