After President Donald Trump last week surprised his supporters and NRA members, by saying he would support increasing the age limit for buying long guns to 21, along with a raft of other measures including supporting a bill that would strengthen background checks, Trump appears to be backing away from his call to raise the age limit, according to CNN.
"He's obviously moving back from that," a key GOP congressional source said.
After promising that the NRA would go along with his plan, but the influential lobby came out against the idea. Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, also expressed skepticism for the idea and said it might not have enough support to pass the Senate.
Another source close to the White House said Trump signaled as much in both his remarks at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Friday and at the White House on Monday. The source asked how a soldier could be told he or she could use an assault weapon on the battlefield but not at home to protect his or her family. Last week, Sen. Jeff Flake, an Arizona Republican, said he was supportive of a bill with Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California to "raise the minimum purchase age for non-military buyers from 18 to 21."
Another source close to the White House said Trump signaled as much in both his remarks at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Friday and at the White House on Monday. The problem, as NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch famously articulated during a CNN town hall last week, is how do you tell an 18-year-old soldier that he or she can use an assault weapon on the battlefield but not at home.
Last week, Sen. Jeff Flake, an Arizona Republican, said he was supportive of a bill with Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California to "raise the minimum purchase age for non-military buyers from 18 to 21."
To be sure, it isn't clear how committed Trump is to the issue. The President tweeted his support for the idea last week, and a few Republican senators, including Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, also voiced support for raising the age to 21.
Trump is set to meet with lawmakers on Wednesday to discuss the legislative response to the Parkland shooting. Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders wouldn't say exactly what would be discussed. Sanders said Trump has also instructed the ATF to find a way to outlaw bump stocks.
Meanwhile, Florida lawmakers late Monday rejected a proposed assault weapons ban. They did, however, approve raising the legal age for purchasing a firearm to 21 - while also approving legislation to allow teachers to carry guns in school, the Post reported.
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think first, speak later
I think we should focus on the fact that the narrative we are being given about this shooting event and the many events preceding it don't add up at all. When you actually use analysis and critical thinking, things don't seem to make sense. Why would we be reactionary about an event that is potentially not even real? That doesn't sound very smart. Personally, I assume everything projected at me from a screen is a deception until proven otherwise. Broadcasting costs money, and there is always an agenda being pushed, because the funders want a return on their investment. The advertising money is peanuts; there is a larger more grandiose brainwashing agenda that is far more lucrative for them.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say this was a big circus to distract us from the fact that the central bank is raping the productive, responsible, and prudent members of society in the ass and the mouth on a daily basis with these criminally artificially low interest rates. If the economy is recovered, why do the interest rates have to be kept so low? It doesn't make any logical sense. The emperor has no clothes, and neither does the President, because he won't even subtly try and cryptically mention it (although Candidate Trump was doing a fine Job; "BIG FAT UGLY BUBBLE"). Tweet this <grabs crotch>, you zio-bankster cock holster.
In reply to think first, speak later by blindfaith
Kids: Then and Now
By Fred Reed
February 26, 2018
Both my hubby and I were h.s. rifle-teamers in 9th grade and on (different cities, in the northern USA). In those days school rifle teams were ordinary, teachers got paid for leading the classes, just as with teaching driving, and many of the kids rode to school on school or city buses, both with and without rifles loaded, in plain sight.
It wasn't illegal and no one that I ever encountered complained about riding buses with those kids and their guns. Most of us weren't ROTC, or at least weren't ROTC yet.
No one got shot. No one got killed. No one thought it wasn't okay. No articles in newspapers that I know of.
Read Fred's column then think about how many boys and girls are given opioids for not being sheep, and that there are few-to-no jobs of any sort for teens. Or anyone else.
Somethin's going to blow big and nasty.
In reply to I think we should focus on… by Give_me_liberty_or
+ 100 for the Fred Reed link!
In reply to Kids: Then and Now… by dizzyfingers
This was most probably A/B testing on Trump's part. He does this a lot. He proposes something to see what overall public reaction to it is. In this case, outside of Counterfeit News Network's echo chamber and Califonistan, the majority of folks replied with, "Hey, fuck YOU, pal." This allows Trump to look at the Democrats with a shrug and say, "Hey. People love their 2nd Amendment. I guess we need a different solution." THAT, is the "art of the deal," folks.
Shitlibs desperately want Trump to be stupid, just like they wanted Obama to be principled and intelligent. They're wrong in both cases.
In reply to + 100 for the Fred Reed link! by MozartIII
When my oldest son turned 18, we took 6 months to build his first AR-15. Now that he is 22, he has built two more plus an AR-10. He and I have never had to shoot anyone. Granted, not all kids are stable and now that we have discovered that the Coward County Sheriff had over 40 encounters with Cruz, the FBI were insolent when given a reason to investigate, plus the school board may have colluded with the sheriff's department to NOT arrest, or thoroughly investigate kids in order to make their "numbers" look better for the community, I just don't believe age has anything to do with this......
In reply to This was most probably A/B… by HopefulCynical
- some old dead white guy
In reply to This was most probably A/B… by HopefulCynical
Only if you move back the age to fight for the MIC.
In reply to "a foolish inconsistency is… by New_Meat
Politicians and government employees'/contractors' kids, regardless of sex or age, should be in the vanguard of every military confrontation, just so we all know there isn't an ulterior motive for that confrontation.
In reply to Only if you move back the… by auricle
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
At least get your quotes correct, idiot.
In reply to "a foolish inconsistency is… by New_Meat
I don't know if I'm wrong about Trump. How can you excuse "I probably would have run in there, even without a weapon"?
Dope.
In reply to This was most probably A/B… by HopefulCynical
Because a man would, quite naturally, do that.
History is replete with examples of men doing exactly that. WTF do you think the Iwo Jima memorials are about, girly boy?
In reply to I don't know if I'm wrong… by oldmanofthesee
But he always ran in the opposite direction when called up.
In reply to Because a man would, quite… by ThanksChump
He was never called up.
You are a liar. And, probably a thief. The two go together.
In reply to But he always ran in the… by Boubou
Trump is negotiating with the American people. Oppose raising the age to own guns to 21, many young people get there first jobs in dangerous neighborhoods’, and violence rates and crime rates among the young are astronomical. An 18 year old girl is far more likely to get rapped than A 40 year old woman. In G-d I trust.
In reply to I don't know if I'm wrong… by oldmanofthesee
"An 18 year old girl is far more likely to get rapped than A 40 year old woman."
...rapped and raped!
In reply to Trump is negotiating with… by LightBulb18
Naw, this is just a test of the waters. I said during the campaign that the gun crackdown would take place on his watch. I still think so.
In reply to This was most probably A/B… by HopefulCynical
It's testing the waters, but it's to see what might calm the hordes of screaming, hysterical women enough to get real work done.
"There, there, sshhhh. Everything is OK. Maybe we'll raise the gun purchase age or, maybe later on, we'll kill those people you don't like. That would be nice, huh?"
In reply to Naw, this is just a test of… by crossroaddemon
Siggghhh... you still believe in this clown, don't you?
In reply to It's testing the waters, but… by ThanksChump
I'll believe in him until he does something wrong that is entirely within his political or physical sphere of control.
Isn't that the only rational plan? I know you have ideals and beliefs, but which of them are, empirically speaking, rational? Or yours?
In reply to Siggghhh... you still… by crossroaddemon
IF it does, he loses in 2020, and the GOP will be cremated in 2018.
Trump is treading treacherous waters here.Ask Bill Clinton.The Dems are making this a main PLANK, man are they screwing themselves.I am loving every minute of their self destitution, they are trying to REMOVE moderate Dems (the few left), and replace them with EVEN Farther LEFT candidates,newsflash, Americans have already had a gut full of the SOCIALIST SUCK US DRY show.
8 years of El Sucko was plenty,his lawlessness will not soon be forgotten.(it's like Herpes now, just when you think you got it beat, it comes right back.)
In reply to Naw, this is just a test of… by crossroaddemon
Always test the water temperature, and look for rocks and crocs, before you jump in.
In reply to This was most probably A/B… by HopefulCynical
A test on Trump's part to observe the reaction? Good Point! That's why its so important to always RE-ACT to any 'idea' floated that has even a slight effect on reducing our freedom rights.
"Silence Means Consent"
Another point, cars kill but there is no parallel plan to prevent Car Ownership.
If it applies to guns it applies to cars.
That is the same logic/excuse being used to disarm Americans.
In reply to This was most probably A/B… by HopefulCynical
Read Fred all the time.
In reply to Kids: Then and Now… by dizzyfingers
MOAR guns = LESS crime
In reply to Read Fred all the time. by ironmace
Perhaps this is the best way to handle shootings, tell the Dems you're going to ban everything, wait a while, then don't.
In reply to MOAR guns = LESS crime by Unreconstructe…
Trump should threaten to raise the legal age for abortion to 25 and watch the libtards squirm and sulk that such a proposal isn't fair.
In reply to Perhaps this is the best way… by eforce
No, make birth (not conception) out of wedlock punishable by exile. Same for runaway dads.
That is the traditional approach, and it worked for millions of years. Ostracism and exile are a form of inexpensive punishment that work very well, though we seem to have forgotten.
Don't run off and read "The Scarlet Letter" though. Christ, that book is droll.
In reply to Trump should threaten to… by Ajax-1
+1111 on Fred Reed.
Read Reed already!
In reply to Read Fred all the time. by ironmace
They're not given opiods for not being sheep They're given a form of Meth.
In reply to Kids: Then and Now… by dizzyfingers
I'm a rifle marksmanship instructor for National program and have taught 10 year olds how to use and be safe withwa rifle. I know parents that have given their 14 year old kids AR rifles as birthday presents and let them have full control of access and storage of those rifles and the ammo. They were taught from an early age how to handle a firearm. This attempt to pin this shooting on the fact that the shitstain shooter bought a gun under the age of 21 as being the problem is asinine. The shooter was not mature, not all 18 to 20 year olds. So lets punish all 18 to 20 year olds? When we have procedures and processes to identify those unfit to own a firearm but no one followed up on it?!?!
In reply to Kids: Then and Now… by dizzyfingers
It’s an agenda and it is incremental in nature. The agenda has been underway for almost a hundred years. The motives may have varied but the end goal is the same, to disarm the target population. In the south it was the blacks, in the north it was the unions, out west it was the miners. Dictators and regional warlords all fear an armed populace.
In reply to I'm a rifle marksmanship… by ASimpleTrader
Bingo +100. That is the very definition of "Progressivism". It means to incrementally implement leftist totalitarian ideologies. Sort of like the boiling frog analogy. If you slowly boil the frog, it won't jump out of the pot.
In reply to It’s an agenda and it is… by Cloud9.5
Dictators and warlords are only tools of the elitist ruling class. They help keep the sheeple under their thumbs. The only real things the elitists fear is loss of wealth and power. Their status is only threatened by ownership of guns by the m'asses ("My Asses," as one king called them).
In reply to It’s an agenda and it is… by Cloud9.5
Exactly. The same argument applies to the "mental illness" argument.
Anyone who has spent five minutes reading up on the psychology profession knows that there is no such thing as "mental illness", but only an infinite number of personality quirks, none of which can be objectively or consistently diagnosed, measured, or most importantly, cured (an assumed requirement for any illness). It's like if a chiropractor and an astrologist had a baby, and that baby was trying to think up the perfect con...
"She's quirky as fuck but kinda hot. Give her a prescription for Prozac and schedule weekly appointments to talk about her cooch. Now, bring me some Kleenex and lotion. I'm reviewing notes and am not to be disturbed for the next 30 minutes."
In reply to I'm a rifle marksmanship… by ASimpleTrader
Libtards and progressive are scared of what they would do with a firearm - such a powerful tool to dominate others - so they can't imagine themselves having a firearm without getting a power trip. That is why they can't understand that normal people don't have these delusions. They want everything banned because they think deep down everyone is crazy if they owned a firearm.
In reply to I'm a rifle marksmanship… by ASimpleTrader
Parasites...they will suck-up to anyone or anything that promises them free shit.
In reply to Libtards and progressive are… by VZ58
The real goal of disarming the population is worse than that. It's a long held plan for Zionist Banker World Domination. Its being held up by 'stubborn' Americans who are too smart to 'give up' their right to hold arms against a possible tyrannical control of the US. Shockingly, ethnic-Europeans in every other Western nation have voluntarily given up their rights.
Its the Armed Warrior Americans alone - amongst all ethnic-European nations - that stand in the way of the Zionist International Bankers' planned bolshevik-style revolution against the populace. This fact will go down in history as 'the fly in the ointment' to a Rockefeller/Rothschild/Royalty planned Zionist Global government. Its a depopulation agenda in this 'post industrial' New World Order - they don't need the slave numbers anymore so out we go! These facts can all be researched and are on the record.
Its the White Male that is the biggest threat to their domination plans and that's why the Jew media/hollywood/universities have developed their insidious War Against White Males, even turning their own women (some) into femi-nazis against them (divide & conquer is always the strategy, from wars to women).
The Jewish Bolshevik Coup d'etat against Russia resulted in the ongoing mass murder/torture/starvation of 66-70 million christian Russians as well as the ritual killing of the royal Romanov family members including all their children. And it was financed by the International Zionist Bankers - a pincer movement as always (communists/Bankers - coming at us from the top and bottom echelons).
If you don't want to believe it, watch 10min video below - and also ask yourself why every single US President has to go in front of AIPAC and to the wailing wall and kiss arse. Ask yourself why every single American candidate for office has to Sign A Pledge to Support Israel. Ask yourself why Americans are fighting Middle Eastern wars that benefit Rothschild's Israel, not america under the false pretence that 9/11 was committed by an old Arab in a cave on the other side of the world, and listen to Aaron Russo (RIP) expose his friend Nic Rockefellers words HERE
In reply to Libtards and progressive are… by VZ58
That was back in the day where you could say "That kid is crazy. He can't have a gun!". Now we have to treat everyone the same until it has been litigated on a case by case basis to make sure we don't trample on anyone's rights without a 2 year slog through the courts. No society has the time or money to do this so either everyone can have a gun or no one can. I would rather send my kids to a school where a lot of the responsible adults had a gun as opposed to a gun free zone. Look at the security where all these politicians and celebrities that want to disarm everyone send their kids to school. They have guards with access to guns, limited access entries, monitored closed circuit cameras.
In reply to Kids: Then and Now… by dizzyfingers
Or, in the most extreme cases, the dangerous person would be quietly "disappeared" by the community as a whole.
That's how child molesters and other communists are still dealt with in civilized parts of the world. The term for it is SSS: Shoot, Shovel, and Shutup. I believe bludgeons are more commonly employed but the idea is the same.
In reply to That was back in the day… by BryanM
Isn't diversity great....
In reply to Kids: Then and Now… by dizzyfingers
In the late `60s in SE Pa I used to go small game hunting in a small wooded area near the HS before going to school. Prime pheasant, rabbit and squirrel hunting. One morning a male teacher followed me into the bathroom because I had blood on my hands to wash them off. He knew why I had blood on my hands because he would see my (second hand beater 58 Chevy) car parked along the road on his way in and wanted to know what I got. (couple of rabbits). We talked a little and he asked what gun I used and I told him it was a 16 gauge Model 12 pump. Before you know it, we were out at my car and I opened the trunk, uncased it, and handed it to him after clearing it. He loved it and it was all I could do to convince him it was NOT for sale. All the time buses and kids were driving in and not a word was said about it. No one even gave it a second look except a few of my friends who came over to talk (lie) about their hunting and fishing excursions with us.
Times have changed.
In reply to Kids: Then and Now… by dizzyfingers
Yes, this and every other event has been fake. The truth is everyone gets along with each other and nobody ever wants to just go and kill people.
The people who believe that are as silly as the lefty gun grabbers who think if you take away legal guns that criminals/murderers are going to follow the rules and gun murders are going to stop.
Of all the shootings that have happened over the last decade, Sandy Hoax seems like the only one that was for sure fake as everything about it screams bullshit.
Others have had questionable narratives where I wouldn't doubt they were false flags and carried out by multiple gunmen but they seemed to have actually happened and had people die.
In reply to I think we should focus on… by Give_me_liberty_or
So its OK when YOU do it. Everyone else is silly as the left.
In reply to Yes, this and every other… by shimmy
While the official narrative craters... YouTube going bananas censoring and terminating accounts...
In reply to I think we should focus on… by Give_me_liberty_or
Boycott YouTube. Use alternate sites.
In reply to While the official narrative… by Yellow_Snow
When you fire off ( as so many liberals do without thinking or listening to their own words) it is hard to put those words back in your mouth without looking emotional, unreliable, and suspect. All the rest you point out has little to do with the eternal echo chamber of emotional rants from both the right and left, especially in the media.
What we ALL need it consideration of facts and respond as civilized adults, in a timely manner and not from the hip. .
In reply to I think we should focus on… by Give_me_liberty_or
Every school child needs to be trained and provided with an automatic weapon. Hows that for a fix your Left-Wing Hoax Makers.
In reply to I think we should focus on… by Give_me_liberty_or
ALL gun laws are unconstitutional. How's that?
In reply to Every school child needs to… by Bumpo
Bad Mango-Boy Trump
Trump should always check in first
with the Mercers, Kochs and the Christo-Corporatist
Cult of Billionaires, before he speaks.
Theocratic radicalism and the corporatist state
have merged.
In reply to think first, speak later by blindfaith