"Take The Guns First" - Trump Breaks With Republicans Over Gun-Control Plan

by Tyler Durden
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 05:16

Update: US Senator Ben Sasse (R-NE). a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, issued the following statement regarding President Trump's comments today on due process and the Second Amendment:

"Strong leaders don't automatically agree with the last thing that was said to them. We have the Second and due process of low for a reason.

We're not ditching any Constitutional protections simply because the last person the President talked to today doesn’t like them."

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President Trump told a group of lawmakers that they must do something to keep guns away from mentally ill individuals - even if that means raising the minimum age for rifle ownership to 21, Bloomberg reports.

His remarks appeared to contradict a CNN report from earlier in the week, which quoted anonymous White House aides saying Trump would soon walk back his support for raising the age limit.

But on Wednesday, in what the New York Times characterized as a "shocking" break with his Republican Congressional allies, Trump told lawmakers during a televised meeting in the Cabinet Room that easing gun owners’ ability to carry concealed weapons across state lines, a provision of the House-passed gun bill and the NRA’s top legislative priority, should be part of a separate bill, a strategy favored by Democrats. The House bill combining background check provisions with the loosening of concealed carry rules has stalled in the Senate after passing the House. Instead, Trump said he supports the proposal from Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Pat Toomey, R-Pa., which he says is best positioned to pass. Sen. Amy Klobuchar agreed that the Manchin-Toomey bill is a "good place to start."

"It would be so beautiful to have one bill that everyone could support," Mr. Trump said as Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, sat smiling to his left. "It’s time that a president stepped up."

Per the Times, Trump repeatedly suggested that the dynamics surrounding the gun control debate had shifted, in part, because of his presence in the Oval Office - a remark that earned him cheers from Democrats.

 

 

Trump predicted his plan would pass with broad support, suggesting that he plans to win over a sizable chunk of the Democratic caucus.

Trump told his audience that raising the ownership age is "something you have to think about," Trump said. He added that "people don't bring it up" because the NRA opposes the policy. Trump had initially claimed that he would convince the NRA to go along with it.

As the Hill pointed out, he also said he supports confiscating guns from mentally ill individuals, a position vociferously opposed by Republicans.

"I like taking the guns early like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time," Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

"Take the guns first, go through due process second," Trump said.

He also said mentally ill people shouldn't have guns.

"A lot of people are saying 'oh you shouldn't be saying that'," Trump said. "But I don't want mentally ill people having guns."

To be sure, states don't need to enact the exact same restrictions, Trump said. But "what does have to be the same is the background checks and all of the data."

Per Reuters, Trump urged lawmakers to pass a comprehensive gun control bill as the national conversation surrounding gun control - a conversation that was triggered by a shooting at Marjory Douglas Tillman High School in Parkland Fla. The shooting left 14 students and 3 faculty dead, and more than a dozen injured.

Rebutting accusations that he is beholden to the NRA, Trump added that gun lovers have less power over him than lawmakers.

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Earlier today, Dick's Sporting Goods said it is "going to take a stand" and announced it would permanently ban sales of the AR-15 - the rifle used by Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz and several other mass shooters - from its stores.

The meeting with lawmakers was his fourth "free-flowing gun policy discussion" since the Valentine's Day massacre in Florida, according to Reuters.

"We’re going to come up with some ideas," Trump said.

"Hopefully we can put those ideas in a very bipartisan bill. It would be so beautiful to have one bill that everybody can support, as opposed to - you know - 15 bills, everybody’s got their own bill."

Seven senators and representatives were invited to Wednesday’s session. The group included Democrats and Republicans who, according to Reuters, have diverse views on gun control.

Republican Senators John Cornyn of Texas and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, who have proposed legislation to fix holes in the background check system for gun buyers, and their Democratic co-sponsors.

Trump also said he back Cornyn’s bill while urging senators to add more items to the bill to make it more comprehensive.

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El Oregonian r0mulus Wed, 02/28/2018 - 16:49 Permalink

Sorry Trump. You pass this BS then forget my support of you, or your policies going forward.

If my 2nd Amendment Right, given by God himself, is infringed upon, then all the Rights mean nothing if I cannot defend myself, nor my family, or my possessions. You screw this up buddy, then you will be a one-term wash-out.

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Billy the Poet Arnold Wed, 02/28/2018 - 17:49 Permalink

Watch it, Donald. I don't think you realize how quickly the support you so desperately need could not only evaporate but turn against you.

Maybe a successful coup is the best thing that can happen. I don't necessarily have a problem with pivoting away from Trump and taking on the Deep State directly.

 

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loveyajimbo Billy the Poet Wed, 02/28/2018 - 17:59 Permalink

Agree... Trump is getting to be VERY smelly... like a damned libturd.  He refuses to force the prosecution of the vilest CRIMINAL ever to hold High Office, Hillary, though her multiple felonies are obvious, proven and MAJOR.  Ditto all of the Barry Obunghole criminal maggots...

He is moving towards a massive AMNESTY for parasite loudmouthed DACA lice... and their criminal relatives... he ignores the federal reserve's continued depredations to our debt... gives massive tax-breaks to the corporations... now he is caving on the 2nd amendment.

This clown lies as well as the pillow-biting Bath House Barry did in 2008!!  I'm OK now with IMPEACHMENT, let's see what Pence can do.

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HardAssets Post-Truth Society Thu, 03/01/2018 - 02:52 Permalink

Trump thinks out loud, as do most extroverts. That’s how they test ideas, by how they sound to themselves & others.

The difference with Trump is that everything he says is reported, even confidential conversations as POTUS which were never divulged by those on the inside in the past.

 

Anyone who has spent any time around extroverts knows that this is how they operate. It’s best not to take every utterance seriously.

 

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Falcon49 OutaTime43 Thu, 03/01/2018 - 04:45 Permalink

And what is the definition of a threat in this society?  Making someone feel bad? Making someone feel scared? How many times did you make threats or intimidate others when you were growing up?  Essentially, everyone in the world would fall into the category of making threats at sometime during life.  So...with the take first and litigate later process the liberal courts will decide what constitutes a threat....good luck with that.  And once they take your guns, good luck getting them back.  

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Withdrawn Sanction Falcon49 Thu, 03/01/2018 - 07:03 Permalink

"And what is the definition of a threat in this society? "

Perhaps like it was in Stalin's USSR?  At least back then, anyone foolish enough to challenge the state or even to criticize it WAS "mentally ill" given the massive risks they were taking.  Think of all the fun show trials we could have on prime time TV.  

As for confiscate first, due process second...does he mean like "civil" asset forfeitures?  Where the govt w/o even so much as wink at due process, takes anything of your that THEY want.  It's up to you to prove the property was obtained legally.  How often do citizens get their property back?  And what does it cost them in time and legal expenses whether they're successful or not?  Guilty until proven innocent.  That'll work out well.  

Florida didn't happen b/c government didn't have enough laws or there were loopholes (if indeed it even happened the way we're led to believe).  Govt failed at multiple points in its most basic function; that is, in terms of what we hire it to do for us:  to provide for common defense.  Mr Trump needs to address the systemic incompetence of government (good luck w/that).  Giving incompetents more power will only make matters worse. 

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sarz OutaTime43 Thu, 03/01/2018 - 05:34 Permalink

I wish you had made your comment nearer to 16:16 (east coast I presume) when the article was posted. Your comment came after the first crowd had gone to sleep. A lot of hysteria, into which I was swept up as well, here on the other side of the planet, could have been avoided.

I assume Trump is a good person playing a weak hand like a master. He knows very well that the crazy kid is innocent and that much of his craziness, playing on his vulnerability, is an MK Ultra product. Trump knows the agenda is to gut the second amendment, so that real liberty can be contained. Trump knows it is hopeless to fight big Judaic media constructs head on. As always, he takes one strand of official discourse and short circuuts it with another, at high voltage. What his proposal is doing is making it much more difficult for the same clowns (particularly those infesting the FBI) to carry out the next caper. Where were you, he will say, when crazy-of-the-day was leaving marks of his insanity all over. 

Trump might after all be the worst sort of shabbos goy - or that's part of the media game he has to play. His own closest people would know the score and so would the big globalisrs. I'm willing to give him a chsnce and wait and see. 

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verumcuibono Fr. Richard Inya Wed, 02/28/2018 - 20:56 Permalink

I agree. I can't even respond to stizazz.

BUT TRUMP WAS TURNED WEEKS AFTER THE ELECTION. Most of you don't realize this because you're too busy jerking off to him and yammering about libs this and SJW that. That's EXACTLY what the system is relying upon--your wholesale support of their distract-and-divide strategy that gets you emotionally pulled into the political debate. It feels good to rant about politics but it's entirely, utterly useless and serves only to further the DS's agenda.

But my guess is most of you are smart enough to know damn well that it's all theater. The biggest libtard SJW assholes ARE THE DS! Not because they really are (DS agenda knows no political foe) but because they know it gets you worked up. And out of the other side of their mouths, DS is running the neocon agenda. IT'S THE SAME FUCKING ORIGINATION.

Maybe, maybe now you'll start paying closer attention and stop filling up these comments sections with your mindless political bullshit. That works against us  - and will not get done what needs to get done.

What needs to get done is red-pilling everyone you know. NOW.

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desPOTUS verumcuibono Thu, 03/01/2018 - 05:38 Permalink

excellent post ! drain the DS is mere slogan. its the DS thats draining US with its old british strategy - divide and conquer.

many willing volunteers on both sides and fake MSM can stir the pot for DS by getting all riled up !

Everyday DS keeps Trumpanzees & Obombo tribals busy clashing with each other. has worked like a charm for decades !