First thing this morning, when the market was surging and inexplicably rejoicing in the certainty that Trump would back down on tariffs, a nagging feeling that this was all wrong prompted us to ask "What If Trump Does Not Back Down", and to follow it up with a troubling rumor from Strategas, namely that this is all about China, and would involve a massive amount of tariffs, to wit:
Trump himself has also said that the trade wars have one major target: Beijing, with the rest of the world negotiable collateral damage. Just yesterday, the US trade rep made it clear that both Mexico and Canada would get an exemption from the tariffs once they agreed to a "fair" renegotiation of Nafta.
And beyond the already announced aluminum and steel tariffs, there is another far more troubling aspect, or rather number, to Trump's protectionist push noted by Strategas. The number is $1 trillion. Here is Strategas:
President Trump is considering imposing tariffs on Chinese goods in response to China stealing US intellectual property. This is often referred to as Section 301 and President Trump specifically mentioned this action in both his Davos and State of the Union speeches. The rumor around DC is that the US will impose $1 trillion of tariffs, which would shock financial markets. We believe the $1 trillion number is too high. Since the US imports $450bn from China, across the board tariffs would need to be 200 percent. Even for Trump that is too much. But given the magnitude of what is being discussed, China would need to respond.
If Strategas is correct, and if Trump's ultimate intention is to hit China with tariffs in the "hundreds of billions" (or more), it's on, and the resulting trade wars will promptly cripple all China-facing US corporations first, followed by the rest of the S&P.
This afternoon, with the unexpected resignation of Gary Cohn, this was partially confirmed, however the full confirmation that it was indeed, all about China, came moments after the Cohn news, when Bloomberg reported that the Trump administration is considering clamping down on Chinese investments in the U.S. by slapping tariffs on a broad range of its imports in response to alleged intellectual-property theft, according to people familiar with the matter.
The U.S. actions would result from the U.S. Trade Representative’s 301 investigation into China IP practices, and will hardly be a surprise now that Trump's chief trade advisor is Peter Navarro, author of such books as "Death by China" and "Crouching Tiger: What China’s Militarism Means for the World"
As Bloomberg adds, under the most severe scenario being considered, the U.S. could impose tariffs on a wide range of Chinese imports, from shoes to consumer electronics.
Additionally, the White House could combine the tariffs with restrictions on Chinese investments in the U.S., which are reviewed for national-security risks by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S., the Bloomberg sources said. The U.S. is also considering a more targeted approach that would seek to rein in Chinese investments
Furthermore, the White House is looking at ways to enforce reciprocity with China on foreign investment, meaning the U.S. would only allow takeovers in sectors that U.S. companies can access in China.
There is still a chance that a trade mushroom cloud could be avoided: officials told Bloomberg that they are still examining various options, and USTR could decide to do nothing.
However, when the announcement is made, sometime in April, we doubt it will be nothing. In fact, we are quite confident that when the dust settles, Beijing will be quite furious at Washington.
Comments
speaking of countries taking advantage of us, let's talk Israel.
Buy your Chinese made I-Phone now! Or virtually any bit of comms or computer gear you can name.
Sell APPL PDQ
In reply to speaking of countries taking… by Give_me_liberty_or
Short Home Depot !
In reply to Buy your Chinese made I… by JohninMK
"Even for Trump that is too much. But given the magnitude of what is being discussed, China would need to respond."
They have started learning the Trump negotiation style; "show them death to have them accept fever".
In reply to All the dollar stores are… by ???ö?
The change in the US trade deficit with every free trade deal agreed to:
http://thesoundingline.com/dissecting-us-trade-part-iv-free-trade/
In reply to "Even for Trump that is too… by nidaar
We might want to check and make sure all the horses are out, before we close the barn door.
In reply to The change in the US trade… by Four Star
Xirious Shì—t...
In reply to We might want to check and… by Row Well Number 41
Trade war will eventually lead to currency war. The world has give USD the reserve currency status for far too long which has led to abuse of power by the morons in DC. It's time for them to help end the fed.
Banning the use of USD in China will kill it.
In reply to Xirious Shì—t... by Déjà view
Trumps response is we have more to win than lose. The alarmists are the globalists watching their investments. Its a new day for the american working man.
In reply to Trade war will eventually… by beemasters
China owns $1.2 trillion in US debt. China can cover this fee and protect its industry by taking an 80% haircut on that debt.
Don't know if this is the plan, but "US Debt" if the first thing I think of when I hear "China" and "trillion dollars" in a sentence together.
In reply to Trumps response is we have… by joep3joep3
$1.6-$1.7 Tn when adding Hong Kong & 'Belgium' proxy...
In reply to China owns $1.2 trillion in… by tmosley
Talk is cheap.
In reply to Trumps response is we have… by joep3joep3
Thank God.
In reply to Trumps response is we have… by joep3joep3
Trumpy is a big tweeter, actions speak loader than tweets....
In reply to "Even for Trump that is too… by nidaar
Short EVERYTHING
In reply to All the dollar stores are… by ???ö?
its all made in china..... fuck! doh.. but american jobs now that the chineses slaves are getting a rest? or are they just joining the military now? hmmm ?
In reply to Short EVERYTHING by hsun85
Those murican companies will stay there. They are close to the worlds largest markets. Just China and India make up 30% of the global population. Why make yoar product on the other side of the planet and not as close as possible to where yoar consumers are?
There is no incentive to move jobs and factories to murica then ship yoar products to the other side of the planet.
In reply to its all made in china… by ThePhantom
Because the raw materials and cheap labor are there. It's not rocket science.
In reply to Those murican companies will… by Justin Case
There is no incentive to move jobs and factories to murica then ship yoar products to the other side of the planet.
In reply to Because the raw materials… by therover
it has nothing to do with geography. it has everything to do with slave labor. because:
This is incentive to move jobs and factories to china then ship your products to the other side of the planet.
In reply to There is no incentive to… by Justin Case
If they are such GREAT markets, why do we have such massive trade deficits with them, decade after decade, particularly with China? One reason is that they steal intellectual property, using it to set up their own government-financed companies, producing copies of American-designed products. They sell their citizens the copies, not the American products, which are less competitive, anyway, due to China’s unfair tariffs. But unless products are again manufactured here in the USA, rather than in China and other Asian countries, where Kumbaya American (multinational) companies have access to a racially uniform workforce of low-wage workers, the only US citizens who will benefit from stricter intellectual property enforcement are the highly paid managers, the shareholders and the owners of these American-in-name-only companies. American multinationals only hire a handful of American citizens.
In reply to Those murican companies will… by Justin Case
I speculate that towards the end of a trade war just prior to a hot war China may take possession of those factories, so yes they will stay.
The above speculation was discussed with a Chinese Economics graduate from Shanghai currently in Australia looking for her BOB (Bug Out Block).
In reply to Those murican companies will… by Justin Case
Chinese tarrifs on US autos already at 18 - 25%.
Trump serving from Chinese-American menu.
In reply to Buy your Chinese made I… by JohninMK
Chinese tarrifs on US autos already at 18 - 25%.
In reply to speaking of countries taking… by Give_me_liberty_or
Israel is a satellite state. For decades they were a check on the Russian communists and their Arab allies. It was partially considered an investment by the US Govt.
In reply to speaking of countries taking… by Give_me_liberty_or
It is? Who said? Where's the section in the constitution on satellite states? so they should pay federal taxes, right?
In reply to Israel is a satellite state… by whateverittakes
Trump holds all the cards here.
Put tariffs equal to what they out on US made goods!
Either we all do tariffs or NONE of us do tariffs!
In reply to speaking of countries taking… by Give_me_liberty_or
Now that's just CRAZY talk! Running $800 billion yearly deficits is a GOOD thing. Not sure WHO it's good for, exactly (Wall St., bankers, Globalists), but it's just GREAT for America.
In reply to Trump holds all the cards… by lester1
Can you post your address and which days you play poker ?
Trump doesn't even hold a pair of three's in this game.
The USA has no military advantage and is now well behind the Russians,and the petrogoldyuan is about to be launched.
All happening this month,co-incidence,I don't think so.
DJT thought he had time to play with to turn things round,but the clock has tolled out.
This is petulant frustration,never a good thing,but I saw him do exactly the same in person back in the 90s.
Beware the Ides of March.
In reply to Trump holds all the cards… by lester1
Name one fucking thing from China that you couldn’t do without?
In reply to speaking of countries taking… by Give_me_liberty_or
My Fav little Hooker named Kim.....OH YA!!!
In reply to Name one fucking thing from… by DC Beastie Boy
Who do you think the Proxy of "us" is?
In reply to speaking of countries taking… by Give_me_liberty_or
if you cant break up the FANG's directly do it indirectly...........f/u amazon and you too you 2nd amendment fraud wal-mart
TRADE WAR NOW!
HOT WAR TOMORROW!
In reply to TRADE WAR NOW! by Gnostech
No war the 1,000,000 days after that.
In reply to HOT WAR TOMORROW! by Truther
Sell your Chinese burrito stocks now
Stockpiling soy sauce and egg rolls right now.....
In reply to Sell your Chinese burrito… by max2205
At this rate, China will confiscate NK's nukes by end of next week.
Winning.
Hope I didn't pick a bad time to startup my new venture.
The Wiper Blade Company.
Great wiper blades delivered to your door for $1 !!!
MIT is known in China as "War University" because every Chinese national that attends gets an awesome job in the war department back home. The idea that we are educating our rivals while American kids lose out on those spots is insane. We might just as well fall on our own sword.
we did in 1913.
In reply to MIT is known in China as … by Sizzurp
exactly.
BUT QUICK, LOOK OVER THERE!!!
Ameridumb's...gotta love their deep seeded ignorance.
as good as GOLD - right???
In reply to we did in 1913. by Bob Lidd
The wound was grave but not mortal.
In reply to we did in 1913. by Bob Lidd
I assume the Chinese are too dayum sport to take those from the Ivy League then again they don't want fuking snowflakes.
In reply to MIT is known in China as … by Sizzurp
It takes more than pure brainpower to invent.
Creativity, risk taking, initiative .... not exactly anything encouraged by Chinese culture.
In reply to MIT is known in China as … by Sizzurp
GOOD. Are we supposed to get buttfucked in order to have nice relations with the rest of the world?
supposed to get buttfucked
Dontcha hate it when tables turn?
In reply to GOOD. Are we supposed to… by Bank_sters
Nice relations with the ROW?
You mean, the nice way we bomb or trash any place that opposes?
Do we have hundreds of spy and military places, to be "nice"?
No! China was just cheap labor for US corpartions, whose execs and Wall St buddies got rich. Period.
In reply to GOOD. Are we supposed to… by Bank_sters
in the end.....
Gold,Baby...Gold
Pagination