Peter Thiel: Donald Trump "Still Better" Than Clinton Or "The Republican Zombies"

In what appears to be his second New York Times profile in the span of a year, Peter Thiel, the PayPal founder, Facebook board member and venture capitalist, defends his support for President Donald Trump, saying that although Trump hadn't yet followed through with everything he'd promised (notably Trump has made no effort to reduce American involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan) he's still been way better than Clinton or a moderate Republican would've been.


Thiel, who recently decided to move his company and his primary place of residence to Los Angeles to avoid the "groupthink" in Silicon Valley, told the Times that he's support for the president is undiminished, and that he still has access to Trump, whom he famously impressed with his speech at the Republican National Convention, "any time I want."

The investor said he had last spoken to the president "a few months ago."

"We don't talk that often but i have access to him any time I want," Thiel said.

The Trump whom Mr. Thiel touted at the Republican convention was a candidate who would "end the era of stupid wars and rebuild our country," move us past "fake culture wars" and start projects the equivalent of the Apollo space program. That does not seem ot be the president he got.

"There are all these ways that things have fallen short," Mr. Thiel said. But he said he had no regrets about his endorsement. "It's still better than Hillary Clinton or the Republican zombies," he said, referring to the other candidates.

Thiel said he isn't planning on leaving Facebook's board, and that he has no plans to quit. Facebook chief executive Mark Zuckerberg hasn't asked Thiel to resign, adding that the anger being turned on Facebook today is reminiscent of the anger that bubbled up during the campaign - it's an anger directed at what Thiel called "tech arrogance."

He added that the Trump campaign slogan - "Make America Great Again" - was one of the greatest political slogans ever.

"Remember when Trump said the election was going to be rigged" People said that was crazy 0 'How dare you question the integrity of the electoral process?' That was the view of most of the people working at Facebook, too," he said. "They did not think things were so hackable. It was a mistake, but an understandable mistake." Facebook declined to comment.


"The Trump campaign slogan, 'Make America Great Again,' was perhaps the single most offensive thing you could say to Silicon Valley," he said "Silicon Valley says the future is going to be better than the past. That is the propaganda, if you will."

Typically, it benefits society when companies have priorities aside from just earning money, Thiel said. But in Silicon Valley, the do-gooder instinct has run amok, and is arguably doing more harm than good now.

"Having some ambition that transcends just making money is a critical thing for a company," he said. "But there is some point where it gets crazy and self-delusional." He added that the companies are probably in some trouble - maybe it's a little, maybe it's a lot." The prospect of government regulation looms.

Circling back to his recent move to Los Angeles, Thiel once again employed this too-much-of-a-good-thing logic.

"Networks effects are very positive things, but there's a tipping point where they fall over into the madness of crowds," he said.

When asked about his pursuit of Gawker, Thiel defended his financing of Hulk Hogan's lethal lawsuit against the company. When asked if it's true that he's still trying to get Gawker's archives removed from the Internet, he answered that this isn't his goal - he's simply trying to help Hogan recover all of his award.

"I don't want the archives. I don't think it makes sense to destroy them. Preserve them, study them instead."


Stan522 NickyGall Thu, 03/08/2018 - 11:43 Permalink

I remember during Carter saying that what America needs was a POTUS that was a businessman, because these career politician's are full of shit. Been waiting a long time for it to come about and I know we have struck pay dirt because of how much disruption he is creating and how much the status quo HATES him..... 

Over the target!

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Mr. Universe Bud Dry Thu, 03/08/2018 - 12:09 Permalink

Peter Thiel, the guy behind Palantir?

Thiel, who recently decided to move his company and his primary place of residence to Los Angeles to avoid the "groupthink" in Silicon Valley,

What better way to spy on everyone than linking it up with the minions of Hollyweird? It's the typical virtue signaling crap we've come to expect from people who do the exact thing they rail against.

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Dumpster Elite wmbz Thu, 03/08/2018 - 12:18 Permalink

You obviously don't think like a ZHer. If Trump hasn't COMPLETELY finished with his ENTIRE Campaign platform, in the first 6 months of his Presidency, then he is the WORST PRESIDENT EVER! If a SINGLE issue goes undone, or he hasn't hung every single Deep State actor from a lampost by this time....WORST PRESIDENT EVER! If he has a single Jewish person in his entire White House staff...WORST PRESIDENT EVER! There, now you can see things from the ZHer point of view.

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wishDr. Thu, 03/08/2018 - 11:41 Permalink

ANYTHING is better than Clinton or the Republican Zombies. including my incredibly intelligent pocket lint. I've named him Sir Charles and he will be running in the coming elections. 

Moving and Grooving Thu, 03/08/2018 - 11:45 Permalink

I see more and more of that sentiment - better than Mrs Clinton - over a widening ideological spectrum. She should be terrified and require Michael Jackson-scale sedation to sleep. Tick Tock, Mr and Mrs Clinton. Oh, and you too Chelsea.



Rex Andrus Thu, 03/08/2018 - 11:49 Permalink

Do your part Thiel. Dust the unamerican operations of MZ and ES. That is, if you're really any good at tech, not just another blowhard con artist who hit the jackpot.

Ben Tornilloed Thu, 03/08/2018 - 11:57 Permalink

WTF difference is there between northern California and southern California?  How far the slide in the ocean is when the San Andreas gives the bitches the shaking they deserve.

the French bitch Thu, 03/08/2018 - 12:00 Permalink

An intelligent person speaking his mind, whoa!

what we deal with most of the time:

Commander of the US Strategic Command, General John Hyten,  “Putin’s statements are not surprising and only reinforce Russia’s commitment to develop weapons designed to intimidate and coerce the US and its allies.”

How can the U.S. not fail as a nation with such a mind set?  it worked for a while, but those times are long gone.  the whole world knows what's up with America and is preparing.

samsara Thu, 03/08/2018 - 12:01 Permalink

Another excellent post by John Michael Greer.

A Rhetorical Education




Out on the far end of this particular scale are a flurry of relatively recent scientific studies that purport to prove that it’s impossible to convince anybody of anything. One that I find particularly enticing took a group of people who’d voted for Donald Trump in the 2016 election and showed them a video in which an earnest talking head explained to them at length why they should have voted for Hillary Clinton instead. By and large, the Trump voters thus catechized responded by doubling down on their support for Trump.  The media that reported this study, and the Clinton supporters who discussed it in earnest tones while it cycled through its fifteen minutes of fame, insisted that this proved that “those people” were immune to reason.

Au contraire, it proved that “those people”—and a great many other people as well—are immune to incompetent rhetoric when it’s rehashed for the umpteenth time.


Utopia Planitia Thu, 03/08/2018 - 12:03 Permalink

Silly Con Valley is over.  They just have not yet read the memo. When reality slaps them in the face like a large rotting fish they will be bawling their eyes out.

Expat Thu, 03/08/2018 - 12:50 Permalink

Pointless, moronic statement.  Trump is better than anyone else in the world because we have no fucking clue what anyone else in the world would have done.  Perhaps Hillary would have been the greatest president ever.  Given her business ties she certainly would not have behaved any differently to industry or Wall Street.  She has the same respect for law and order as Trump...none at all.

Fuck due process, let's just make up bullshit, unfalsifiable statements to justify supporting a scumbag in the Whinehouse.

ElTerco Fri, 03/09/2018 - 00:43 Permalink

"Networks effects are very positive things, but there's a tipping point where they fall over into the madness of crowds"

And here we sit. The real question is, how long can it last?