Judge Uses Electroshock in Court on Suspect, like a live Milgram experiment

Via The Daily Bell

You have probably heard of the Milgram Experiment. Stanly Milgram wanted to see how obedient ordinary people were to authority figures. So he got participants to sign up for an experiment on learning.

The unwitting participants were given control over an electric shocker. The nodes were hooked up to an actor who the participants thought was also a random participant. The participant was supposed to deliver a shock everytime the actor got a question wrong, but there wasn’t really any electricity. The experiment was to see if the participant would continue delivering electric shocks to the point of harm, just because a man in a lab coat told them to continue.

And they did. Milgram wrote:

I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist.

Stark authority was pitted against the subjects’ [participants’] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects’ [participants’] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not.

The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.’

But it turns out, this doesn’t just happen in set up experiments. It is also happening in American courtrooms.

Some suspects are fitted with electric shock vests at trials if they are deemed a flight risk or risk to others. But the shocks are supposed to only be used in case of an emergency.

A judge used the shock vest on one subject who refused to answer his questions. But did the judge issue the shocks himself? No. He ordered the bailiff to do so. And of course, the bailiff complied.

Gallagher ordered a bailiff to administer the electric shocks on the first day of his trial. When Gallagher asked Morris for his plea, guilty or not guilty. Morris refused to answer the question…

When Morris continued to talk, Gallagher instructed the bailiff to activate the stun belts around Morris’ legs.

Gallagher asked Morris twice more if he was going to follow the rules. When Morris did not provide a plea, Gallagher said to the bailiff, “Hit him,” according to the appeals court ruling.

The bailiff pressed the button that was to send the electric shock through Morris’ body. Gallagher asked him again if he was going to comply. Morris told him he had a history of mental illness. Gallagher ordered another shock.

“Hit him again,” Gallagher said.

When Morris contended he was being “tortured” for seeking a recusal, Gallagher, according to the appeals court, ordered the bailiff to do it again: “Would you hit him again?” …

The appeals court said that 50,000 volts can have cognitive impairment effects on a defendant. Morris’ condition after the three shocks was not reported in the court’s opinion, however…

After enduring the 50,000-volt shocks, Morris was apparently too scared to return to the courtroom and actually did not attend the remainder of his own trial. He appealed his conviction, alleging Gallagher violated his constitutional rights by repeatedly shocking him for failing to answer questions while showing no signs of becoming violent or being a flight risk.

The Texas Eighth Court of Appeals in El Paso handed down its ruling on Feb. 28. Texas Lawyer first reported the ruling Tuesday. The ruling said judges are not permitted to shock defendants who won’t answer questions or don’t follow the court’s rules of decorum.

“While the trial court’s frustration with an obstreperous defendant is understandable, the judge’s disproportionate response is not. We do not believe that trial judges can use stun belts to enforce decorum,” Justice Yvonne T. Rodriguez said of Gallagher’s actions in the court’s opinion.

“A stun belt is a device meant to ensure physical safety; it is not an operant conditioning collar meant to punish a defendant until he obeys a judge’s whim. This Court cannot sit idly by and say nothing when a judge turns a court of law into a Skinner Box, electrocuting a defendant until he provides the judge with behavior he likes,” Rodriguez wrote.

Milgram originally carried out the study to try to understand why Nazis had been so compliant in committing atrocities during WWII.

The fact that this is happening currently in American courtrooms is not a good sign.

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Lordflin Al Gophilia Tue, 03/13/2018 - 08:18 Permalink

Have you actually ever been in the military? I am personally tired of men without balls who compensate with their mouths...

Is the military being used for obscene purposes... unquestionably. And lots of fine young men are returning wrecked as a consequence... but I doubt many of them are half so brainwashed as yourself.

Some of the finest men I have known I met while serving... are there those who would fire on citizens... certainly... but there are far more who would not. 

There was a purge of upper military leadership, and many in the upper ranks are slugs. But even there, there are still fine men to be found. The threat to society is not from the military, but rather from the civilian leadership most of whom have not served, but rather they have sent other people's children to do their bidding... but not you it seems, as you are truly enlightened...

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Al Gophilia Lordflin Tue, 03/13/2018 - 10:48 Permalink

6 years, as an answer to your presumption but does it matter? Is someone only allowed to hold an opinion on this topic only on the proviso that they have served in some branch of the armed services? If you're going to be personal about it, then I'll evoke my 1st amendment right to descend to your level with a martial retort;.....Fuck you, general.

I've seen how it works and was an enthusiastic graduate of their training. Take an 18 year old halfwit (you'll see my picture in the description of any dictionary) and you can  mold them into a compliant lemming. Has worked for thousands of years. Tell them you're doing God's work as well as for king or country and you have a hero looking for glory.

Ever heard of the (4 dead and 9 wounded) unarmed students gunned down at Kent State? That was cold and sustained firing by trained men. A fine example of our glorious yet subservient troops following orders. 

Ever hear of those stalwart pillars of the military, MacArthur, Ike and Patton, mounting up and attacking WW1 vets with sabres  drawn, tanks and tear gas, over a pay dispute regarding their (vets) bonus? https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/ret…

Perhaps you have not but history is replete with the actions of military heavy handedness when protecting their political bosses. To put it bluntly, I wouldn't trust them or you with a rifle in your hands. You seem to put too much faith into the benevolence of your trainers. Good puppy, good boy. SIT, Uboo, SIT.

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Lordflin Al Gophilia Tue, 03/13/2018 - 12:06 Permalink

I figured you would bring up Kent State... that was a different time (not to mention that those were weekend warriors, and they always have something to prove) and the country, myself included, was a good deal more naive then. But the bloom is most definitely off the rose. This country is right on the edge of revolution, or civil war, or some hybrid of the two. I promise you that so called powers that be do not have the military behind them... if they did they would not need to suppress the military vote with every election.

If the message you received in the military, assuming what you write is true, was a loss of humanity and identity then I am sorry for you...

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Al Gophilia Lordflin Tue, 03/13/2018 - 12:12 Permalink

Phttttt. You're an energy drain, replete with bombastic excuses. It wasn't a message that I received, it was a programming. That's exactly what the purpose of basic training is supposed to achieve. Times change but people don't. You merely have to observe what has happened to the mindset of the police, now that they have been militarized in equipment and training. 

I can question the veracity of your claims as well but won't ask if you ever served? Can we trust that you're not some fawning glory hound? Again, does it matter?  Again, fuck you. Edit, you disingenuous cunt. (1st amendment thingy again).

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Donate Moar Al Gophilia Tue, 03/13/2018 - 12:50 Permalink

I look forward to the day when we can have instant face-to-face conversations in person instead of behind flickering screens and crusty keyboards.

Will we still converse with such grit and bitterness against a total stranger?

I know, I know...

Fuck Me.

Such a sad statement for the human race, but I'm sure some war one day will solve this as well.



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Lordflin Al Gophilia Tue, 03/13/2018 - 17:57 Permalink

Of course it was programming... that is military training... does not mean that a man surrenders his morality, decency, or integrity... although I will admit, for those who have been forced to serve in immoral wars, they come back damaged men. Still, that does not mean they lose any of the above mentioned... in fact, if they lack these qualities immoral war comes naturally to them.

All I can say is... it just does not seem they are making many men anymore... we appear to have raised one or more generations of whiners...

How is that for a bombastic impulse...


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RovingGrokster Montana Cowboy Tue, 03/13/2018 - 09:37 Permalink

Time for a citizens arrest of the judge and bailiff, wire 'em up, and tell each that their only chance of escape is to shock the crap out of the other Nazi MF'er, then keep goading them "hit him again, you wuss!" "do it. or we'll throw water on you!"

They need to suffer in order to achieve behavior modification. Never mind that it's unscientific claptrap - if they believe in it, use it on them.

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bobsmith5 Erek Mon, 03/12/2018 - 18:54 Permalink

That jackass judge should be in prison and I don't know how for how long,, but at least for a very long time.  Disgusting beyond belief, and it does not matter how unruly or uncooperative the defendant might have been.  One always has the right to remain silent regardless.

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rgraf east of eden Tue, 03/13/2018 - 07:43 Permalink

The conjobstitution was written by a bunch of lawyers and banksters, who were the descendants of a long line of pirates, spies, thieves, slavers, moneychangers and merchants of war. It was a bankruptcy reorganization, in which they created a central bank, in order to gain political control, while maintaining the illusion of 'self determination'. The anti federalists knew what they up to, and tried to protect the citizens with the Bill of Rights, but it didn't take long for Alien and Sedition acts to violate the framework. This USA has always been corrupt.

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Milton Keynes DosZap Mon, 03/12/2018 - 13:48 Permalink

judging by the transcript the judge was asking the defendant to enter a "Plea of Guilty or Not-Guilty"...


I've been in court, seen a sullen, angry defendant brought in, and if they are refusing to say a word, the judge asks

twice and then says "I am entering a plea of not-guilty, pending appointment of defense counsel"...

and then when asked if the defendant has a lawyer and getting the silent treatment they say

"I am on the basis of lack of representation, going to direct the Public Defender Service to interview the Defendant

and determine if they can represent him, and we will set a hearing on that within 10 days"...


or if it's a misdemeanor the judge will say "This is a misdemeanor, the Public Defender will not take this case, I am going to have

you held over pending trial and set trial for 21 days from now. You have to have an attorney or be prepared to stand trial without one"...

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bobsmith5 Beowulf55 Mon, 03/12/2018 - 19:01 Permalink

What we as a society have lost track of is how incredibly sacred is any office of authority, such that anyone who violates his oath of office is guilty of sedition and a very serious felony.  When you are in office you are in a position to do great damage to others and to the spirit of this countries ideals.  When elected officials are given power and abuse that power, they should be held to a much, much higher standard under the law, and suffer much greater penalties consequently.


Jail that worthless judge for a long, long time.

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Malleus Maleficarum Mat Cauthon Mon, 03/12/2018 - 19:29 Permalink

Excellent point, well-stated.

Satan knew how the Milgram Experiment would play out, eons before it was ever conceived! God, too, for that matter, though he has faith that our better natures will ultimately prevail. 

We tell ourselves that killing is something only "crazy" people do, often in extreme circumstances, but take a look around and you'll see that's diametrically opposed to the reality that life is cheap - especially when it's someone else's! We engage in this psychology as a defense measure to reinforce our belief that we are somehow different. We're not!

Imagine a very possible future - an economic collapse, followed by a genocide in the US a few years from now. You take a job as a prison guard because it's the only way you can feed your family. You're eventually asked to kill women and children, en masse. You know it's immoral and wrong, but you also know your bosses only hire men with families for the effective leverage they provide. Indeed, they will torture and kill you and your family if you disobey. Are you willing to sacrifice the lives of your family for some strangers? Most would be revulsed, but would nevertheless start plugging the prisoners, justifying their actions with reinforcing thoughts like "they must have done something to deserve this" and "I'm making the world a better place for my group" and of course, "I'm just following orders!" Truly difficult choices, but choices that humans have faced for millennia. 

We modern Americans really, truly believe that we'll be the first nation in history to willingly give up our liberty and God-given rights to a government of wicked men who've promised us "safety", and somehow escape the damnation and tyranny which always follow such illogical, impulsive stupidity. We're wrong! Prepare accordingly.


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