Porton Down Scientists Under Extreme Pressure To Confirm Nerve Gas As Russian

Authored by Craig Murray via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

I have now received confirmation from a well placed FCO source that Porton Down scientists are not able to identify the nerve gas as being of Russian manufacture, and have been resentful of the pressure being placed on them to do so.

Porton Down would only sign up to the formulation “of a type developed by Russia” after a rather difficult meeting where this was agreed as a compromise formulation.

The Russians were allegedly researching, in the “Novichok” programme a generation of nerve agents which could be produced from commercially available precursors such as insecticides and fertilisers. This substance is a “novichok” in that sense. It is of that type. Just as I am typing on a laptop of a type developed by the United States, though this one was made in China.

To anybody with a Whitehall background this has been obvious for several days.

The government has never said the nerve agent was made in Russia, or that it can only be made in Russia. The exact formulation “of a type developed by Russia” was used by Theresa May in parliament, used by the UK at the UN Security Council, used by Boris Johnson on the BBC yesterday and, most tellingly of all, “of a type developed by Russia” is the precise phrase used in the joint communique issued by the UK, USA, France and Germany yesterday: This use of a military-grade nerve agent, of a type developed by Russia, constitutes the first offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since the Second World War.

When the same extremely careful phrasing is never deviated from, you know it is the result of a very delicate Whitehall compromise. My FCO source, like me, remembers the extreme pressure put on FCO staff and other civil servants to sign off the dirty dossier on Iraqi WMD, some of which pressure I recount in my memoir Murder in Samarkand. She volunteered the comparison to what is happening now, particularly at Porton Down, with no prompting from me.

Separately I have written to the media office at OPCW to ask them to confirm that there has never been any physical evidence of the existence of Russian Novichoks, and the programme of inspection and destruction of Russian chemical weapons was completed last year.

Did you know these interesting facts?

OPCW inspectors have had full access to all known Russian chemical weapons facilities for over a decade – including those identified by the “Novichok” alleged whistleblower Mirzayanov – and last year OPCW inspectors completed the destruction of the last of 40,000 tonnes of Russian chemical weapons

By contrast the programme of destruction of US chemical weapons stocks still has five years to run

Israel has extensive stocks of chemical weapons but has always refused to declare any of them to the OPCW. Israel is not a state party to the Chemical Weapons Convention nor a member of the OPCW. Israel signed in 1993 but refused to ratify as this would mean inspection and destruction of its chemical weapons. Israel undoubtedly has as much technical capacity as any state to synthesise “Novichoks”.

Until this week, the near universal belief among chemical weapons experts, and the official position of the OPCW, was that “Novichoks” were at most a theoretical research programme which the Russians had never succeeded in actually synthesising and manufacturing. That is why they are not on the OPCW list of banned chemical weapons.

Porton Down is still not certain it is the Russians who have apparently synthesised a “Novichok”. Hence “Of a type developed by Russia”. Note developed, not made, produced or manufactured.

It is very carefully worded propaganda. Of a type developed by liars.

This post prompted another old colleague to get in touch. On the bright side, the FCO have persuaded Boris he has to let the OPCW investigate a sample. But not just yet. The expectation is the inquiry committee will be chaired by a Chinese delegate. The Boris plan is to get the OPCW also to sign up to the “as developed by Russia” formula, and diplomacy to this end is being undertaken in Beijing right now.

I don’t suppose there is any sign of the BBC doing any actual journalism on this?

Comments

Boubou Thoresen Tue, 03/20/2018 - 08:14 Permalink

Yes, absolutely. This is another Iraq WMD. The intelligence flows from the policy - not the policy from the intelligence.

I can't deal with hypocrisy and deceit on this scale .The Western governments are at war with truth - the concept does not exist. Their words are tools to progress their agendas and have nothing whatever to do with facts.

The media all cooperate to make sure no trace of an alternative view is ever published.

I had thought that all this would backfire on them sooner or later, but no, they have created an illusory reality.

Once you have become aware of this, your best choice is a desert island or a bottle of Jack.

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gladih8r eforce Tue, 03/20/2018 - 09:42 Permalink

Why don't they just lie about it.  Easy peasy. 

The idiot public will believe anything if they see it on TV. 

Don't forget to say that the nerve gas is also a powerful green-house gas, so not only does it kill spies but also polar bears - due to the lack of ice for them to eat.

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HowdyDoody just the tip Tue, 03/20/2018 - 06:18 Permalink

In 2016, Iranian scientists claimed to have synthesised a nerve agent from Novichoks (article DOI: 10.1002/rcm.7757). They kept the OPCW informed and handed the data over to them. The Iranians only produced small amounts of nerve agent for safety reasons, sufficient to allow chemical analyses to be carried out.

The claim made by the UK is that the two binary precursors are safe and can simply be mixed together to produce an effective nerve agent. The actual synthesis requires the prescence of a third reagent to produce a temporary intermediate compound which is then converted to a real nerve agent by the presence of unspecified alcohols.

One of the binary agents in the Novichok synthesis is Methylphosphonic difluoride which is described as being caustic, readily absorbed through the skin and producing nerve agent-like symptoms. This agent is also used in the synthesis of sarin.

It is clear that for the scientists, the 'safe' binary agents are 'safe' relative to a nerve agent, not safe as the average person would understand and the politicians want people to think. It is also clear that the Novichoks are not simple binary elements. They require other reagents for the process to work. So why go through all the hard work when exposure to readily produced Methylphosphonic difluoride will in all probability make it seem like the victim has been exposed to a real nerve agent, at least sufficiently to fool the general public.

 

 

 

 

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PrivetHedge HowdyDoody Tue, 03/20/2018 - 06:24 Permalink

Novichok was just another lie. If there was a real incident it was fentanyl.

You think Skripal would be in the NHS hospital when the best specialist medical facility for this (possibly in the world) is a few km down the road in Porton Down?

How did they survive? Why did the PC visit their house? Why did he get affected? If he was done at the house how did he drive into town?

And where is he? We saw the photos of Litvinenko dying of Prussian Blue induced peretonitus in a normal ward (when he should have been in an isolated auto-immune safe place). So where are the photos of the plucky Skripal and his daughter?

It's all a bit like the Pulse nightclub affair with people not found at the local hospital and being carried to safety toward the club where the shooting was. The story is very thin and sloppy.

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Boubou UnpatrioticHoarder Tue, 03/20/2018 - 08:21 Permalink

They have never had an interest in the Truth unless it directly served their immediate goal. Tony Blair created a whole career out of 100% lies and spin. !00s of thousands of lives were lost to absolutely no effect but their colossal pride leads them to believe that their aims of domination supersede the Truth and the destruction of cities, countries and uncountable lives. And when time proves them wrong, they lie again and continue. 

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Sandmann otschelnik Tue, 03/20/2018 - 10:18 Permalink

Yes he got €50 million from Ghadaffi to fund his election - then needed Ghadaffi gone and got Cameron to help him. You might look up Charles Pasqua too his Interior Minister who was linked to Quebec Mafia and who had kickbacks on weapons supplies to Taian. French politics is just as dirty and crime family focused as in USA

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Sandmann homonohumanus Tue, 03/20/2018 - 10:29 Permalink

Saxe-Coburg Gotha ?????? Coburg is in Bavaria nowadays and Gotha in Thuringia, both are sprats of the old Wettin line - in fact the Ernestine line in Saxony-Anhalt, Thuringia with the other side being in Saxony. It provided the Kings of Belgium which is how Albert was introduced to his cousin Victoria who succeeded when her uncle died childless. Quite what all this has to do with Trump eludes me but no doubt Rothschild and Savonarola are involved in some fetid American comic book

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homonohumanus Sandmann Tue, 03/20/2018 - 10:47 Permalink

So close that you had to loose your time and effort proving wrong info that is readily available. The Queen even used that title recently somehow publicly. House of "Windsor" does not exist, it is the name of a leisure place for their vacatin or something like that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_English_and_British_monarc…

As for what that has to do with anything the royal familly, rules the Common Wealth, choose the Lord, can oppose any topic in any chamber without it being report (a right they do not abuse by the way) and more importantly regarding the topic they control the secrets services... which are quite zealous it seems...

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Shemp 4 Victory RafterManFMJ Tue, 03/20/2018 - 07:09 Permalink

 

How the fuck can you confirm a gas is Russian?

If it supplies 35-40 percent of Europe's needs at a fair price and has been delivered reliably for 50 years, it is Russian gas.

Unless it came from a Russian asshole.

Replace 'Russian' with 'Downing Street' and you're on the mark. (Be careful not to step in it.)

This whole BS story is gas alright but not Russian gas.

I'd go so far to say that it's a BM story. A PMTMBM story.

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shortonoil RafterManFMJ Tue, 03/20/2018 - 07:31 Permalink

Some grad student in organic chem probably got paid a 100 bucks to mix the stuff up. This stuff is usually not that difficult to make. It is all about the evil Russians, and the MIC needing to reinforce that idea to justify its $1 trillion budget. Without a really bad guy to point the finger at, how do you justify a half million to bomb a mud hut in Yemen. May commits political suicide; gets paid a big chunk on the side, and the press is covered with evil Russians. Mission accomplished. Who is the real enemy?

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EuroPox Troy Ounce Tue, 03/20/2018 - 05:10 Permalink

But they will bury the truth before you can find it.

The official story is already falling apart – lying Theresa said that (in addition to the Skripals and the police man) almost 40 people had needed treatment after the Salisbury attack... BUT:

In a 14th March letter to the Times, Dr Stephen Davies (Consultant in emergency medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust said: “...  may I clarify that no patients experienced symptoms of nerve agent and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning.  Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed.  None has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment.  Any blood test performed has shown no abnormality.  No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.”

So was it “almost 40” or none?  Why is the government filled with such incompetent amateurs?
 

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gregga777 EuroPox Tue, 03/20/2018 - 05:26 Permalink

Why is the government filled with such incompetent amateurs?

These are the same incompetent amateurs responsible for:

 

How far has Britain and the Royal Navy has fallen?

 

The U.K. has built the two new Queen Elizabeth-Class aircraft carriers. "In 2018 the Committee of Public Accounts determined that build cost of the two carriers was £6.212 billion…"* But, they haven't had any fixed wing aircraft capable of operating from any aircraft carrier since 2010! Well, I have been informed that they may have two flyable 1930's Fairey Swordfish fabric-covered, biplane torpedo airplanes tucked away in museums somewhere. Maybe they'll equip each aircraft carrier with one each. No one would believe this if it was in the plot of a novel. 

 

*Wikipedia

 

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Boubou gregga777 Tue, 03/20/2018 - 08:29 Permalink

I know - how massive can incompetence get ? This exceeds the craziness of third world governments , and in those cases the weapons were never expected to work - they were a vehicle for massive bribes eagerly enabled by the manufacturers and government officials.

Also, have you heard, UK Tridents are actually kept in Maryland USA and UK needs permission to go and get one?

US obviously don't trust UK to turn them on and also want complete control  of use, targeting etc..

All the UK gets is to pay, and to claim they are a nuclear power.

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JoseyWalesTheOutlaw EuroPox Tue, 03/20/2018 - 08:34 Permalink

The real problem is he people that elected the MFers! Then again this country elected fuking Barry Obama!!!!! I mean C'Mon Man.

 

Would you hire as your high school football coach a person that had locked down all his coaching records? You elected that fuking fraud Obama as President even though he did the same. This country might recover from Obama but no way you can overcome the ignorant people that elected him.

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