Pentagon Says No Syria Pullout Timeline; "Exasperated" and "Frustrated" Trump Concedes

Let's keep'em in Afghanistan Iraq Syria "a little longer," the Pentagon said on Thursday of US troop presence in the war torn country after a fierce debate within the administration was triggered last week over President Trump's announcement that he intended to order a quick withdrawal of US forces.

Or rather, perhaps it was more of an establishment beltway "pile on" in reaction to Trump's policy shift than a debate.

Image source: Outside the Beltway

According to Reuters:

The U.S. military policy toward fighting Islamic State militants in Syria remains the same following discussions with President Donald Trump this week and the military has not been given a timeline for withdrawing troops, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

Trump agreed in a National Security Council meeting this week to keep U.S. troops in Syria a little longer to defeat Islamic State but wants them out relatively soon, a senior administration official said on Wednesday.

There are some 2000+ officially acknowledged soldiers occupying northern Syria working closely with the Kurdish YPG-dominated Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), and Trump's message even as recently as Tuesday was a firm and confident, "It is time" to get out of Syria, "I want to bring our troops home."

But it appears the 'deep state' and career government bureaucrats who seem to ever default toward intervention and military adventurism without end have won out once again.

As we noted previously, beltway bureaucrats including the weekend editorial and cable news pundits generally reacted in disbelief and horror with charges of "chaos" leveled at the Trump White House over his planned Syria pullout, and claims that "ISIS will come back" if America leaves.

Though nearly six months ago ISIS was widely acknowledged to have suffered utter and overwhelming defeat in all major cities and towns it once held, most notably Deir Ezzor and Raqqa, something confirmed by Syrian and Russian military officials currently leading successful efforts to clean out the last isolated scattered remnants of ISIS resistance - it appears that the supposed "the ISIS threat" is the phantom menace gift that will keep on giving. 

Now officials both within and outside Trump's cabinet can simply evoke "ISIS!" to argue for the perpetual military occupation of Syria - something now clearly manifest. This in spite of Trump himself along with his generals consistently signalling for months that ISIS is defeated.

For example, in December the president acknowledged that "nearly 100 percent of the territory once held by the terrorists in Iraq and Syria" had been recovered, and that at the end of 2017 "we’ll be finished pretty soon with the ISIS situation in those two countries [Iraq and Syria]."

Notably, ISIS has been more or less absent from international headlines as well after its defeat; however, the Pentagon is now keen to reinject the threat of "ISIS' return" into public consciousness. Trump has reportedly grown extremely frustrated at the Pentagon's unwillingness to provide a clear timetable for withdrawal.

According to NBC, quoting cabinet officials describing this week's National Security Council meeting over Syria:

The official described Trump as frustrated and exasperated with the situation and the answers he was getting from his team.

"He wasn’t thrilled about it, to say the least," the official said.

Defense Secretary James Mattis and other top officials made the case to Trump that the fight against ISIS was almost finished but a complete withdrawal of U.S. forces at this time would risk losing gains the U.S. has made in the fight, the official said.

And further:

When his advisers told him they needed more time to complete the mission and secure the gains they’ve made, Trump demanded to know how much longer, the senior administration official said.

"If you need more time, how much more time do you need? Six months? A year?" he asked, according to the official.

His team said they couldn't put a time frame to how long it will take to defeat remaining ISIS forces and train local forces to maintain their gains after the U.S. leaves.

Meanwhile Trump has attempted to extricate US troops from Syria by asking ally Saudi Arabia to foot the bill for postwar reconstruction and "stabilization" projects in the area of northeast Syria currently occupied by US coalition forces, to the tune of $4 billion.

He repeated his demands that regional allies step up coordination in Syria during a White House press conference on Tuesday, saying "We've almost completed that task [of defeating ISIS] and we'll be making a determination very quickly, in coordination with others in the area, as to what we'll do."

And he continued, "Saudi Arabia is very interested in our decision, and I said, 'Well, you know, you want us to stay, maybe you're going to have to pay'."

Now that Trump has given in to Pentagon demands that the US stay in Syria, it will be interesting to see just how long "a little longer" will actually become. Will we be having the same discussion 17 years from now

Comments

Truther Labworks Thu, 04/05/2018 - 19:36 Permalink

Who ever thought or believed that Trump or the DEEP STATE would pull out, You were played, like usual.

He is the fucking swamp and Bibi will make sure that the US grave is dug out and ready to fill with our expendables.

Wake the fuck up. WW III will start in Syria.

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BigFatUglyBubble cossack55 Thu, 04/05/2018 - 19:47 Permalink

told you so

The President will say anything if it earns him political points or makes himself the center of attention in that moment.  It doesn't matter than he will change his mind in 2 days, that he's disingenuous, intentionally deceptive, or that he's causing conflict/confusion/anxiety, even within his own group of supporters.

He gives no shits.  Trump is pro-Trump.  That's all there is to know about his policies. 

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Jim in MN JimmyJones Thu, 04/05/2018 - 20:48 Permalink

A global 'Chinese Peace', with Russian muscle, is already nearly complete.  Let the true regional powers--Iran, Turkey, and Egypt--emerge as stabilizers, as they rightly should be.

After Syria winds down the second largest war on Earth after Afghanistan will be.......the Mexican drug war.  Global war fatalities will be down over 70% from the post-WWII average.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts#/media/Fi… (note that 2017 data are in and at 130,000 another big drop)

I bet Afghanistan settles down too.  The Chinese want it as part of the One Belt-One Road strategy.

Yemen, that disgusting exercise in baby killing on the US dime and against the US moral ledger, will also wind down, simply out of shame.

The result?  With just those simple changes?

Pretty much world peace.  I shit you not.

It's that close.

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BobEore Jim in MN Thu, 04/05/2018 - 21:11 Permalink

It's that close.

lol. \so close/ 

that you can smell the wafting stink - of a 'new world ordure' 

brought into being via the successive takeovers of PRESIDENTS & potentates of all kinds - a silent war, all the more effective - in achieving the goals of the RED MAFIYA TERROR STATE uber alles - 

for being covert in action and aided by the blind sightless 'medias' which divert attention from the obvious - for anyone paying attention - 

to a funhouse of fake news and jaundiced views - all produced by the same guys who brought you the 'leninist lead from behind' revolutions of a hundred years past. 

\look past your controlled alto-msm medias - the nose knows ... what's really goin on!\

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Jim in MN BobEore Thu, 04/05/2018 - 21:41 Permalink

Yah, sure you betcha.  I myself prefer primary sources and actual data. 

Go ahead, list me the hot wars globally with actual heavy weapons units engaged in destroying neighborhoods or towns.

I can wait.  Just make sure to check on peace deals in your war zones.  You'll find there are dozens. 

READ THE ACTUAL NEWS not fucking opinion sites. 

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MK ULTRA Alpha Jim in MN Thu, 04/05/2018 - 21:32 Permalink

It's a real sad nation which must fight wars for Israel and are the beast of burden for the Zionist global take over plan.

When a soldier comes back, he has a wound, or bodily injury, he is told to report to the VA.

He either gets his brain burned out, or he is cut up and experimented on.

It took some time, but I figured out the scam. When veterans go into the office alone with a VA nurse or doctor, the VA worker talks so bad it's incredible.

I have had many Jews attack me in the VA. One doctor took the tongue suppressor rammed it into my mouth and moved it hard from side to side. And he didn't look. I had heard him complaining outside about a veteran who had complained.

He started chewing me out, I got up and walked out, then VA police were after me.

I wanted to understand why? It's because of a Jew scam setup by Jews at the top of the VA. There is a slush fund of billions for payouts to VA workers who are traumatized by veterans, or assaulted.

So they provoke an attack to get the million dollar payoff.

It's sad, the brainwashed Americans send their children to die for the Jews. Then the children come home are treated like dog shit at the VA. Usually the racist parent blames it on the foreigners working at the VA. They can never bring themselves to blame it on VA administrators like Katz, Wasserman etc.

The VA uses a government funded think tank called the Rand institute to shield with more lies. They find a veteran who is being paid for injuries to say it's the finest medical care in the country, while the Jews steal all the money.

Think about it, one full of honor, goes into the office of a VA worker, the VA worker insults, does everything to provoke the veteran, when the provoked veterans gives it back, a silent alarm button is pushed, VA police come in, beat the veteran up and drag the veteran to mental health. The veteran will not have a brain if he can ever see the light of day again. The employee files for pay off, and receives paid time off and a pay off for destroying the veteran. This was setup by Jews in middle and upper management of the VA.

See, it is the eternal quest of mankind to ask why and the answer is always because. How and what are just variables of the equation.

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Sy Kloine Bee MK ULTRA Alpha Thu, 04/05/2018 - 22:25 Permalink

I second this - even though it didn't happen to me, my experience at the VA says it's credible. 

The VA is a kike paradise.  Many of them have their own practices, but they moonlight at the VA.  At some places, especially on the east coast, about 25% of the doctor-level staff is from Israel, I kid you not. Apparently, they can't get jobs there, and naturally they give these Shylocks visas and permanent residency like they were giving out candy.

I remember when I in-processed into this clinic near where I live now, they had an orientation type meeting with the head of the volunteers, the head nurse, and the head administrator.  There was also this young Jewess there, like fresh out of grad school, who was there to do "research."  I politely but categorically refused to participate in any research, and I asked them if that would affect my ability to be seen.  They told me "no".  So I went through the process, saw a primary care person, and left.

I was at home for an hour before the filipino head nurse called me and she said "you forgot to check in with the research person!"  I told her "have a nice day" and hung up the phone.

Have your torches and pitchforks at the ready.  The problems of the USA won't end in prosecutions, but revolution.

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MK ULTRA Alpha Sy Kloine Bee Fri, 04/06/2018 - 04:15 Permalink

There are two species at the VA, the homosexual and the Jew. Both have a destructive genetic code. They condition followers to do evil.

The culture of the VA has been conditioned into the VA worker.

I don't want money or treatment from the VA. When I go, I am doing an operation. I've interviewed thousands of veterans. I have many operations I have conducted on the VA.

A marine I would talk to sometimes would always go into a rant about, I'm not going to let them chip me. I recorded the data in my brain, then I search through minds to verify, read VA data, listen and observe. The VA was experimenting on chipping brains for the planned take down of America. The cover was the PTSD programs. Now they openly speak of it, and the media tells us how wonderful it is to be chipped. It's now apart of pentagon operations. DARPA, https://www.google.com/search?q=darpa+mind+chip&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1

The snake people have complete control of the pentagon and military. It was last to take over.

There are hundreds of millions being spent on chipping the brain. It always has the excuse, it's for some small number of people with an illness. It is for us. period.

I tracked it at VA. Each time, a veteran tells me this or that, I find out about it and try to stop it.

Another time, close to a mind control facility. An old NASA engineer veteran tells me, it's a mind control facility. I begin operations. At that facility, a veteran comes up to me, because he knows in his mind, I'm an old NCO, he tells me like he's one of my soldiers, they've damaged my brain. I said what was it, I said I'm going to find out.

Within six months, it was in the media system, another six months, the maker was sued, the settlement was around $500 million. But it didn't slow the VA from handing it out like candy. I failed all of these soldiers and marines, the air force flight line airman(female). I couldn't stop it.

See, I took a job delivering specimens and veterans on voucher. I have penetrated many VA facilities to see what they do to veterans.

A common theme of the brain damaged veteran was the SSRI. I interviewed many army and marines. The SSRI brain damaged veteran, I would spent more time probing and testing their minds, test/proof, test/proof over and over using the same to find out what's wrong.

The SSRI does two things to the human. One, all emotions, love, hate, are destroyed, one can not love or hate again. Two, the human when there is a threat, must fight or run. When someone threatens the SSRI brain damaged veteran, the full spectrum of responses of fight should be the correct response, fight, hand to hand, wound, disable, or kill, deadly force. What happens with the SSRI, the deadly force thought is the only thought and it stays in place, the veteran is unable to flush it, like a normal human. See, I found out the types of so called medication, and interviewed and studied the mind of many.(then they always say, if something happens, the excuse is always, they weren't on their medication, the chemical conditions the brain within two years, it blocks neural pathways for life. Again, it doesn't matter if the child or adult is on the medication or not, the brain is chemically changed, a child is easy to program and all of these drugs lowers the IQ)

It does the same to humans, who aren't veterans. But a veteran who doesn't want to kill unless a lawful order is given, many of them will kill themselves.

Humans are being programmed to kill. Many of the school children shootings have been programmed to kill. There have been many chemicals tested on veterans.

Mental health? it's in all the schools and this belief, a child who is smart or whatever is targeted, the creative mind is a prime candidate. Women have been programmed through the media system, movies, television shows etc. to challenge men, and to shove them beneath them, well those teachers in the schools will target male children for their brains to be damaged to maintain control. Mothers gladly turn their children over to mental health at the drop of a hat. Women abort babies at a rate of over 50 million, the Jews were the founders of the abortion program) Everything is aimed at controlling humans, like we're in  a herd to be controlled until harvest.

The television does the programming to kill for the human who is not a veteran.

It seems strange, 17% and more of the American people are on some type of drug. That's over 50 million people. That's now, but it's been going on for a while. So we  can estimate over one third of the American people have had their brains damaged.

There are reports, over a million babies are being given these drugs(poison) right now.

When the Jews came to America in 1930's saying they were German Jews, but were really Eastern Europeans, they cut parts of the brains out of millions of Americans. Now they do it with deadly chemicals.

It's what they've done since ancient times, they would give a neurotoxin to the captured human, this would only allow the motor unit of the brain to function. A mark was placed on the hand, it was the season of the year of which humans of their herd  would be harvested. They were cannibals, they still are, they kill us to feed our life force or soul in the west, to their god, a snake.

I marched into the portal and there is a snake in the portal. It's huge, it's the life force of millions of snakes, they come together to make a huge snake head. See, I had to use a metal nanoplasma to reactivate my left frontal lobe and neural pathways which were shut down in a program I was in when I was child.

The reason I care for the veterans, particularly the Army of Vietnam who trained me in the army so well, is because of the "honor" tape was programmed into my brain when I was a child, there are many tapes and typed instruction.

See, I don't care about being paid in money, they programmed me to earn honor. That is how I am paid.

Back in the 60's, the US was sending men into space. I was sent into a different kind of space. There is no such thing as space and time.

The program objective was, "Spiritual warfare. Warfare on a higher plain."

We're in multidimensional killing field. The species at the core of these people who call themselves Jews is not human. When man evolved, there were many different species, some died off, others combined with other humans. A species more connected to the reptile survived and prospered in southern India. They came north at the end of the last ice age. 

The Mongolians, the dog people were sent by the Koreans, the bird people to kill off the snake people. They killed off millions of them all the way down into India.

See, the snake people ate most of the white tribes which came south during the ice age.

It's a long story, but because the snake programs humans through the eye, TV, humans who figure out about the snake people or who try to tell anyone, most humans would relate it back to a movie or TV show. I was born before TV became the mind of America. 

"Whoa be the generation that forgets about the ancient snake people"

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zimboe beemasters Fri, 04/06/2018 - 08:11 Permalink

The Bee Guy wrote:

"As some late "comedian" aptly said, if voting could make a difference, they would make it illegal."

 

You are referring to the great 20th Century philosopher George Carlin, I think.

As he once opined, "BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS! BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS! BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS!"

Just because it's funny, don't mean it ain't the truth. Sometimes even more so.

...

I got a kidney stone the day he died. I took it as a cosmic sign of his passing.

Those bastards really hurt.

Anything that hurts that much coming out of a human body gets a name, a birth certificate, a SS number, and a drivers licence.

He lives in a little bottle on the mantle. I'm gonna get him a little car.

His name is George C.T. Stone.

Yes.

there is a kidney stone in the world named after George Carlin.

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Chupacabra-322 MozartIII Thu, 04/05/2018 - 20:33 Permalink

The Pure Evil War Criminal Treasonous Seditious Tyrannical Lawless Psychopaths at the CIA is the reason why & where we find ourselves in the Sick, Twisted Hell we find the World in which we live in today.  

The National Security Elimination Act of 2018 is long over due.

To state the obvious; the CIA has deeply humiliated the American people in their attempt to tie the American people to be responsible for the CIA's crimes against humanity across the world.

 

The CIA appears to be the world's greatest threat to peace and prosperity. It is the penultimate terrorist organization, being the direct or indirect creator of all other terrorist organizations. It also appears to be the world's penultimate illegal drug smuggler and pusher making all other illegal drug trading possible and instigating the horrors of addiction and suffering around the world.

 

If I believed that the CIA was working in any way on behalf of the US government and the American people then it would be sad and shameful indeed. However, it is my belief that the CIA instead was captured long ago, as was the secret military operations and now works for a hidden power that wants to dominate or failing that, destroy humanity.

 

It's those Select Highly Compartmentalized Criminal Pure Evil Rogue Elements at the Deep State Top that have had control since the JFK Execution that have entrenched themselves for decades & refuse to relinquish Control.

 

The Agency is Cancer. There should be no question about the CIA's future in the US.

Dissolved & dishonored. Its members locked away or punished for Treason. Their reputation is so bad and has been for so long, that the fact that you joined them should be enough to justify arrest and Execution for Treason, Crimes Against Humanity & Crimes Against The American People.

 

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MarketAnarchist Chupacabra-322 Thu, 04/05/2018 - 20:36 Permalink

ZeroHedges comment section has degenerated quite severely.  Let me lay it out for you:

 

1) Trump does not yet have complete control over the military.  Deep State aligned CIA mercenary factions (ISIS) and rogue elements of the Army and Navy are still not obeying his commands

 

2) There are other factors Trump has to contend with ("nuke suitcase blackmail" and cyber/economic threats)

 

3) Those of you who think Trump is a pawn are CLEARLY NOT PAYING ATTENTION.  The establishment would not be shitting their pants like they are if he was.   Cohn out? Why?  HE IS DEEP STATE.  McMaster out? why? DEEP STATE.   

 

HAVE A LITTLE FAITH THE GREAT AWAKENING IS NEAR. THE WALL IS GOING UP.  WE ARE RECLAIMING OUR SOVEREIGNTY. THE PEDOS WILL BE OUTED AND ARRESTED!

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Posa MarketAnarchist Thu, 04/05/2018 - 21:06 Permalink

I think you're right MA... I'm not a Drump fan, but I DO think he honestly wants out of Syria (And maybe Korea too) ... but he's not a dictator and has to consolidate and finesse...

Look JFK tried to buck the tide after we were almost blown up in the 1962 Cuban Crisis... how'd that work out for him? This Deep State/ MIC nexus isn't a fairy tale... It's huge and it's deadly but also deteriorating badly

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MarketAnarchist Deep Snorkeler Thu, 04/05/2018 - 20:36 Permalink

ZeroHedges comment section has degenerated quite severely.  Let me lay it out for you:

 

1) Trump does not yet have complete control over the military.  Deep State aligned CIA mercenary factions (ISIS) and rogue elements of the Army and Navy are still not obeying his commands

 

2) There are other factors Trump has to contend with ("nuke suitcase blackmail" and cyber/economic threats)

 

3) Those of you who think Trump is a pawn are CLEARLY NOT PAYING ATTENTION.  The establishment would not be shitting their pants like they are if he was.   Cohn out? Why?  HE IS DEEP STATE.  McMaster out? why? DEEP STATE.   

 

HAVE A LITTLE FAITH THE GREAT AWAKENING IS NEAR. THE WALL IS GOING UP.  WE ARE RECLAIMING OUR SOVEREIGNTY. THE PEDOS WILL BE OUTED AND ARRESTED!

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Truther MarketAnarchist Thu, 04/05/2018 - 20:54 Permalink

While we hear and know that he faces the DEEP FUCKING STATE here at home, Innocents are getting killed and maimed because of his fucking alignment to the Fake Fucking Jews. Give me a fucking break.....

This is his 2nd year in office and I do understand he's under pressure, but he's a fucking sell out on foreign policy, especially in the Middle East. NO ONE IN THEIR FUCKING RIGHT MIND WOULD PARTNER WITH THE SAUDIS, who funded and supported the overthrow of a secular state that had the FIRST CHRISTIANS IN IT EVER, The GOAT FUCKERS that teamed up with OBAMA and now TRUMP to overthrow Syria and Iraq and get rid of the rest. These are the Wahhabis Trump is partnering with.

So Don't tell me to FUCKING WAIT.... If it weren't for Russia kicking ass in Syria, The US would have had ISIS all over the fucking place.

 

And don't tell me that I'm not paying attention, he took that phone call from his buddy Bibi 2 days ago and he was ordered to stay in Syria, otherwise his balls will be hanging from his mouth.

 

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Brazen Heist Triple A Thu, 04/05/2018 - 20:50 Permalink

The Pentagram's empire needs to be destroyed for the sake of world peace.

What these fuckers are doing in Syria is a complete sham. Now an insurgency will start, just wait and see. All US personnel will be fair game.

Attempting to hijack Syrian oil fields and coddling ISIS will come with costs. Long caskets. Its the only thing this empire will understand.

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veritas semper… Truther Thu, 04/05/2018 - 19:51 Permalink

The Donald's gallery of fans,who tripped over themselves with the president approval rate( I almost died laughing reading those comments yesterday) . They believed it.

Same as for Obama. Different groups supporting their choice of psychopath.

And this is the very reason nothing will change.

"support the troops,USA ,best president ever,666D chess..."

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Jim in MN veritas semper… Thu, 04/05/2018 - 20:28 Permalink

You bunch of bed-wetters presumably haven't noticed that we are currently experiencing unprecedented global peace AND doubled economic growth.

Stop crying over headlines and watch the data.

This is our last peaceful chance for change.  If Trump and the current infowar on the Deep State fail, we and our kids get to die in muddy ditches...most likely.

So:  Man Up and Reconsider.

Being a smarmy cynic isn't helping anyone.

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