US Congressman: “In Briefing to Congress, [the Director of National Intelligence, Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State] Provided ZERO Real Evidence. Referenced Info Circulating Online”

Congressman Thomas Massie tweeted:

In briefing to Congress, DNI, SecDef and SecState provided zero real evidence. Referenced info circulating online.

Which means either they chose not to provide proof to Congress or they don’t have conclusive proof that Assad carried out gas attack.  Either way, not good.

Indeed, American, British, French and German reporters speaking with doctors in the hospital which treated the alleged victims of a “chemical weapons attack” and local residents have all found that the story is false.

And one of the main children shown in the videos of the alleged attack explains what really happened.

Comments

philipat Dickweed Wang Thu, 04/19/2018 - 22:46 Permalink

Their next line of defense has already been launched; the Russians have tampered with the site. To which we should immediately respond:

  1. It isn't possible to tamper with eye witnesses.
  2. It isn't possible to tamper with alleged dead bodies
  3. It is far easier to tamper with a site by ADDING substances but far more difficult to tamper by REMOVING substances, especially inert substances such as Chlorine which would be widely distributed over the entire area and so VERY difficult to remove.

Despite the weight of all of the above, you can guarantee that our fine MSM will carry nothing but the official story for as long as necessary (Seen anything about Vegas or the Skripals in MSM recently?)

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SRV fx Fri, 04/20/2018 - 12:03 Permalink

They still have the fing Black Boxes from MH17, that every corporate news org in the developed world still reports as fact was shot down by Russia, on ice... 4 YEARS LATER!

When do Americans stop whining, and start doing something about the crimes being committed by employees of their government under the direction of elected officials?

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nmewn PrivetHedge Sat, 04/21/2018 - 07:55 Permalink

Personally I fall into the camp that Assad didn't do it simply because he is winning (or for all intents & purposes has won) and there is nothing to say it even happened if from what I'm reading is even partially true.

However...there are "other actors" who benefit from prolonging it as long as possible, Iran, Israel, Turkey, Hezbollah just to name a few. 

Now, I'm going horseback riding (shirtless) and find me a tiger to rastle ;-)

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Jung philipat Fri, 04/20/2018 - 00:02 Permalink

Good post: it is the UN Security that stops the OPCW team to go in because THEY decided ti is not safe as the militants are creating disturbances again. It is not up to Syria or Russia to stop them but the UN. You'r right though as it does not matter what anybody official says, they'll spin it and are willing to kill and destruct rather than lose face.

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Voluntary Exchange Jung Fri, 04/20/2018 - 02:51 Permalink

See America, when you pay taxes you are not in a position to stop the deep state being funded. Letting people steal from you at the point of a gun , (taxation), does not make you safe. In fact it leads to greater and greater tyranny as the "rape the Americans" prize gets bigger and bigger and the criminals get more and more psychopathic.

Nature has built in limits to power so this will eventually stop, but only after most all of us are dead from an insane war started by insane people.

To their way of thinking, it is OK to murder most everyone else, to our way of thinking they are insane.

The solution is the termination of the sustaining of the power of those who live by involuntary exchanges - like taxation. If you eliminate involuntary exchanges you are left with voluntary exchanges and you then have a voluntaryist society. The only way to organize society and still respect the truth that all are equal, (with regard to natural law and subsequent natural rights), is to form a voluntaryist system: free market defense, contract enforcement, and adjudication/resolution services.

Giving a small group the right to rob you, (US Constitution, Art. 1, Sec. 8: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes"), does not work!

Taxation is pathological, and it concentrates power into the hands of those attracted by pathological power: criminals, sociopaths, and psychopaths. Sooner or later such deviants will decide to kill you rather then ever give up power.  I hope we have learned our lesson!

If there is a next time, use the voluntaryist model of organization. It is the only way that preserves the individual's key "power of the purse".

And a message to "George Washington":

One of the first acts of the criminal cabal called "Congress" was to pass the "whiskey tax". This was used by speculators with political connections to transform their speculative investment in revolutionary debt and soldier payment vouchers into personal fortunes. The revolution's soldiers got pennies on the dollar as they sold out of necessity to survive, and the politically connected used taxation to receive the full face value of the debt that came from the blood and sweat of other people. They were America's first example of the "deep state" back then: those criminals who benefit from government taxation power - theft at the point of a gun. George Washington was one of our earliest examples of being a "tool" for the "deep state"! Marching off to make sure the criminal cabal called "Congress" was able to save face, avoid the consequences of their crimes, and personally enrich their friends and relatives. And the rest is history. Dam you George Washington! Dam you Alexander Hamilton! And dam every criminal that hides behind taxation!

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jin187 Voluntary Exchange Fri, 04/20/2018 - 04:42 Permalink

That's some serious abstraction.  Sounds good on paper, just like communism, or anarchy, but just like those, the real world application of freedom has never worked out very well.  The problem is that there are insane people in this world, which is the main reason why we build societies, to make the minutiae of our daily lives not suck as much, due to those types of people having a tendency to ruin everything.  You might even say that the default setting for the average human is an asshole that wants to rape, rob and murder everything in sight, and that it's insane to not be that way.  Hence the reason it took us so many thousands of years to reach a point where like 10% of the planet doesn't live like animals.  As much as I would like to see freedom ring, I simply don't think the vast majority of people are up for it.  The reason democracy breaks down the moment the people realize they can vote to loot the treasury, is the same reason it breaks down when they can vote to not fill the treasury in the first place.  In a world that's not filled with assholes, all government is equal.  The rules don't matter if we're all sharing, and caring, and doing the right thing.

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Voluntary Exchange jin187 Fri, 04/20/2018 - 07:58 Permalink

The need is for insane people to not accumulate power.

Please cite specific examples where voluntary exchange has not worked well? Please document its failures? The only way it can fail is by the imposition of involuntary exchange, which is evidence for, not against, voluntary exchange. The fact that some people choose involuntary exchange, only serves to clearly differentiate between two classes of people who are by their nature, always in a state of war against each other: the "makers" and the "takers". I call them the humans, and anti-humans.

Voluntaryism has existed in the past, such as medieval Ireland. The studies of it are out there for your benefit. And there are other examples from history.

The Irish were able to resist the stronger English for hundreds of years. The only way the English could finally prevail was by cultural genocide, stamping out all understanding of the basis for Irish freedom through free market "Tuatha" protection, and adjudication though the free market "Brehon".

Early ancient Jericho, based on its lack of any government type buildings in the ruins, lasted 1000 years or more.

If you organize society in any other way than voluntary exchange, you centralize pathological power and allow it to grow and reinforce itself. All modern examples of government exist within the context of a corrupt tax-vote, or worse authoritarian type systems that promote centralization and growth of pathological power and the increasing evil that naturally grows with this. 

Voluntaryism, being the most decentralized way to attempt to maintain your natural rights, has the best possibility to avoid the build up of increasing tyrannical power. With it, you maintain the most important tool to prevent tyranny - your individual "power of the purse". But when you choose to vote in a particular group of criminals to tax you, it is quite hard to reverse tyranny once it is started. A corrupt system, once it grows to a certain size, can reward and sustain the corruption, no matter how you vote, either by controlling elections, controlling "laws", controlling "education", controlling paper money, controlling wars, controlling mass-media and perceptions, or if all else fails, lucrative gold parachutes for the corrupt even if they somehow do get kicked out of office.

In voluntaryism, someone you voluntarily hire for defense, if they start practicing crime, may see their customer base quickly disappear. When a tyrant has to pay for their crimes out of their own pocket, the high cost of aggression serves as a check against any further accumulation or even sustaining of pathological power. The voluntaryist society is also an effective barrier to corporation dominance because its two greatest tools for control: the limited liability scam, and the intellectual property scam disappear. It is very hard to maintain a large size when newer, nimbler, firms can quickly exploit the latest technology to compete. Also, if there is no way to limit liability of those who cause damage in a firm, they must behave in very responsible ways to avoid the confiscation of their own personal fortunes should they cause massive harm through their actions. The state is not there to disrupt complete restitution available in a free-market justice system, a system that can't be controlled like governmental justice systems can be controlled. Such a free-market justice system, like free market defense, has a natural tendency away from corruption via the forces of the free market. Also with free market defense, contract enforcement, and conflict resolution, the competitive nature of free markets promotes the most efficient and the most innovative provision of these vital services. That leaves a much larger surplus of wealth for individuals that can be devoted to higher quality of life and the defense of individual liberty.

In a voluntaryist society there is no motivation for weapons of mass destruction. And expensive weapons of mass-destruction are the least effective against a voluntaryist society. The voluntaryist society is by its nature, an effective form of "diplomacy", without requiring diplomats. The idea of true liberty is contagious and serves to destabilize all other inferior forms of organization, just by its existence. People given a chance and true understanding of liberty will, by a vast majority, choose real freedom over tax and war slavery.

Taxation being pathological in the way it functions, (by using physical aggression to back up its theft from its victims), attracts the most pathological people. In a free market, you can veto the wicked by terminating your contracts and carefully structuring the breach of contract arrangements. Quite simply, if we the people do not adopt voluntaryism as the basis for our society, sooner or later the criminals will become so empowered that they will end up destroying human civilization.

By the way, Communism only looks "good on paper" to people who do not understand cause and effect and the science of human actions: (praxyology) or the science of human exchanges: (catalactics). Voluntary exchange looks good because it is consistent with real science, not because it "looks good on paper". Lots of things look good to fools who do not understand the laws of nature. But the laws of nature are quite predictable, and they are the basis for the assertion that voluntary exchange is the best choice.

Lots of people hate the idea of being responsible for the consequences of their actions, but that does not change the fact  that they always are and remain so. Anyone who wants someone else to be responsible in their place, seeks to blind themselves to the laws of nature. They take the choice that results in a chain of events that ends in misery, suffering and death.

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Dabooda Voluntary Exchange Sat, 04/21/2018 - 17:29 Permalink

Voluntary Exchange, were you "Faithkills" on the Daily Paul/Popular Liberty?  I have a bet with myself. 

One suggestion for distinguishing the two moral factions of humanity (in re your first paragraph):  instead of using "human" and "anti-human," which require extensive definitions and arguments (which you deserve to lose, I'm afraid, since many people do, demonstrably, live prosperous lives as predators on other people), consider using "civilized men" to describe those who deal with others by voluntary exchange, and "barbarians" to describe those who do not.  Corollaries: Civilization is the society of people who live by voluntary exchange, to mutual advantage. Government is the institutionalization of barbarism, imposed on the civilized men by the barbarians who have conquered and  subjugated them.

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Tarzan Voluntary Exchange Fri, 04/20/2018 - 06:04 Permalink

The problem is beyond that, it's the fiat we pay those taxes with that empowers the Deep State, because it's fake, they can print nearly at will, and their slush funds are in black holes, like the DOD who can't account for many Billions.

Then, don't add, multiply.  Agency after agency, in Governments across the globe play this Fiat game, with funny money to blow on their secret missions.

We already pay less then half of what we know they spend, AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BLACK BUDGETS across the globe.

This is why Fiat will die over night, because it's propped up fantasy funny money, and the propping will continue until that day when, in a flash crash, all our "wealth" vanishes, in a single day.

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Voluntary Exchange Tarzan Fri, 04/20/2018 - 08:31 Permalink

But it requires resources, real resources to run the fiat scam. As long as people give those resources to the people who call themselves the "state", they will of course see the continuation of those practices that increase and maximize their enemy's power and control. It is important not to consent to taxes, and also to not use the fiat currencies of the criminals, because they are a major source for their continued power and control.

A free party to a free voluntary exchange may stipulate which ever form of compensation that suits them . People historically, given the chance, tend toward gold or silver for exchange. It is the criminals hiding within and behind the state that are eager to make this difficult or impossible. In the present world, the correct crypto-currencies offer exciting new possibilities.

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Jim in MN Voluntary Exchange Fri, 04/20/2018 - 09:55 Permalink

We have at times used the term 'sociopathocracy' around this site......feel free to share

 

The power structure has critical gates in it that only the sociopath seems to cross.  Or put another way, the toxic, corrupt and deranged environment within the gates spits out anyone who might resist the core players' decadent sprawl of criminal perversion.

 

The deepest question then becomes, can a system quite like the current one be operated by non-sociopaths?  Or is there something about the system itself that requires a suspension of human morality/empathy/rule of law to actually make it work?

 

Oh and USSA OUT OF EURASIA

:*)

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Voluntary Exchange Jim in MN Fri, 04/20/2018 - 10:36 Permalink

Yes of course!

Thieves, frauds, and murderers don't want people around who openly declare the truth of what they are. They need to hide behind lies like: taxation, man-made "laws", and conscription, and to surround it all with fools that believe the lies, and evil people who understand and choose to play along to share in the spoils.

A system of tyranny, of necessity needs a structure  of deception to maintain and grow its crimes. The cost of control though brute force alone is prohibitively expensive. Such a system MUST reject sources of truth to maintain the fabric of lies.

The answer to your question seems obvious to me. A method that is pathological, will by its nature attract the pathological, and repel the healthy.

The very premise of our civilization is based in evil and thus will always lead to failure, and attract the evil. Taxation by its nature is EVIL. There is no such thing as a "necessary evil". Any system based on taxation or any other form of involuntary exchange will result in  "sociopathocracy" !

This area is quite interesting as to why involuntary exchange consistently causes harm. I think there is a metaphysical truth associated with this. We are all children of the same natural forces responsible for physical existence. Anyone who tries to subjugate another, in effect, rejects this universal truth and attempts to proclaim and reorder nature in a way that is not possible for a human to dictate. Humans don't make "laws", only nature makes laws. Humans can discover those laws, agree about them, disagree about them, hate them, reject them, remain ignorant of them, but those laws remain consistent and in no way changed by  the declarations of men.

Interestingly enough the fundamental nature of "sociopathocracy" required the 4th century mass-murderer Constantine to destroy the Ebionites and Gnostics, and to stamp out their teachings and writings. The big lie of Mithraic man-god worship in the form of a Jesus born divine, is needed to establish divine successor authority for the emperor to maintain obedient tax-slaves.

The idea that Yeshua, (Jesus), was born a man like you and me and became united to the divine through the laws of nature is an idea that does not lead to obedient tax-slaves. If Yeshua was just a man, then anyone can do what he did, provided they also follow the laws of nature the way he did. Who needs a silly Emperor, when the actual laws that relate to people are equal for all and are not made or controlled by people?

And thus our entire western Christian tradition is just another variation of the same theme of criminality repeated over and over, also in Judaism, also in Islam, and in most organized religions and religious-political systems. I am not saying that there are no great truths in Modern Christianity, or other religions, but what I am saying is that truths lack the intended power to transform when they rest upon a foundation of lies. A basic lie that rejects the fundamental nature of humanity is a critically dangerous weakness.

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Trogdor Voluntary Exchange Fri, 04/20/2018 - 12:17 Permalink

Our current tax system is a FAR cry from what was originally intended - it's so much more parasitic it's unrecognizable.  The Revolutionary War was started, in part, over "outrageous" taxes of something like 3%.  The Constitution allows for two forms of tax: An Apportioned Tax and an Excise Tax - with the Apportioned Tax being a one-time collection.  Excise taxes are what you pay on things you don't need to survive - like alcohol, cigarettes, etc.  I think the flaw in the Constitution was that it didn't sufficiently protect itself from changes - it made it too easy for the Banksters and their Governement parasites to chew their way in to the foundations of the country and the bank accounts of the productive people.

I do agree with "Damn You Alexander Hamilton!" - he was a Rothschild agent - a total scumbag ... and I celebrate Aaron Burr Day (July 11th) every year - thankful that Burr gunned that son of a bitch down before he could do MORE damage.

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jin187 philipat Fri, 04/20/2018 - 03:37 Permalink

Funny how when the people in places like ZH claim that things like the Vegas shooting were totally fake, never considering the thousands of conspirators, and ridiculous attention to detail necessary to pull off such a scam, they're considered to be fringe nutcases.  Yet the government can come in and claim the Russians used their super secret James Bond level shit to clean the crime scene, turn all the witnesses, or even replace them with actors, and stupid shit like that, and we're supposed to just believe it.

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keep the basta… jin187 Fri, 04/20/2018 - 05:22 Permalink

I think that a time must come soon where Russia Syria Iran China whatever decide its not worth  a second of their precious time to bother answering the ongoing stupidity of the  psychopaths around them.

Liars and psychopaths  dont care what you say, how right  you are or how kind. They get off on your  grovelling defence and truth.

AS above so below.Having had a life time of dealing with them closely, the answer is to know that they have zero to offer, just suck you in to hurt and steal from you, so just turn your back and walk away.

 

 

 

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Wild E Coyote jin187 Fri, 04/20/2018 - 07:31 Permalink

Russia may have some story but others are allowed to say their piece too. 

But in USA, people of differing views are edited out of the media, except in some alternate news media. Recently a General was cut in the middle of his comment by SKY News.

https://www.rt.com/news/424078-sky-news-general-shaw/

Hence jin, when it comes to the US Government, CIA, FBI, NSA, Google, facebook, we know that truth cannot surface. we need conspiracy theories. 

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Trogdor jin187 Fri, 04/20/2018 - 12:39 Permalink

I don't think it takes "thousands" of conspirators or "ridiculous attention to detail" - all you need is to be able to control the MSM narrative and make sure that conflicting evidence and witnesses are never given the time of day.  The cover-up can be in-your-face obvious - like the BBC reporting that Building 7 had collapsed 20 minutes BEFORE it happened - but if you control the flow and content of information, as well as the people who would head the supposed "investigations",  it's pretty easy to sell just about any story you want.

If you want to run a busload of people off a cliff, you don't need to control all of the passengers - you only need to control the driver - everyone else is along for the ride.

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PrivetHedge jin187 Sat, 04/21/2018 - 07:59 Permalink

All Vegas, Pulse, Sandy Hook etc. required was a couple of gunmen and a complicit media with a few nudges in the right direction by one or more of the 17 security agencies.

The very fact that people questioning the narrative were banned from facebook etc. shows that it was a fake and an easy one at that.

As for the ridiculous attention to detail: like carrying the injured by hand back to the nightclub? Surely they should have been in ambulances from the hospital up the road.  Where were the dead bodies? Where were the ambulances? Where was the coroner? The details get missed completely because they don't matter with the jew/pharisee press and social media control the discussion and evidence gets shut down, deleted from youtube and defunded and deranked by Google.

You don't seem to realize that the jew/pharisee is at war with us and detail took a back seat a long time ago, look at all the holes in 9/11 - they even had an entire building 'pulled' when the plane due to hit it (Flight 93) crashed on the way there. We just have a series of very sloppy false flags covered by fantasy official conspiracy theories and a concerted media controlled by about 6 Israelis.

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Trogdor artichoke Fri, 04/20/2018 - 12:53 Permalink

3. Chlorine will evaporate.  After a few days there's no trace left.

Mmmm - not so much.  Chlorine is a powerful oxidizing agent and while you're correct in that there would be no free Chlorine gas hanging around, the effects of the Chlorine in the form of out-of-place Chlorine compounds on surfaces and damage to organic materials would still be evident.

In college, one of my chem professors dropped a fairly large bottle of pure Bromine - it shattered and an opaque orange gas started spreading out.  We ran out of the building pulling all of the fire alarms as we went.  After the cleanup, we went back into the building.  While there was no Bromine gas still floating around, pretty much all of the metal in the building - and some organic materials - showed pretty severe signs of Bromine-induced corrosion/pitting.  This is what investigators look for: Not the gas, but the results of materials being exposed to the gas.

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Insurrector philipat Fri, 04/20/2018 - 14:21 Permalink

WTF?

Not possible to tamper with eye witnesses?  Give me a hit off that pipe buddy, you tokin some good shit!

Eleven days since the attack, and the international inspection team is still being prevented from inspecting the site.  They finally arrived today but have been penned down by gunfire.  Of course, you don't find this suspicious at all do you?

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NoBillsOfCredit philipat Fri, 04/20/2018 - 18:07 Permalink

All of your statements are pretty much incorrect.

If #1 is true why are their laws against witness tampering?

#2 Is ridiculous.  

#3 is partly true but Chlorine is a gas and blows away with the wind.

However it was not as advertised.  So, what was the real mission? Show the Russians we have more advanced missile tech. than they know? Hit the deep state facilities? So far no one was killed that we know of.  Keep draining the swamp!

 

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jin187 MoreSun Fri, 04/20/2018 - 04:57 Permalink

One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is that putting boots on the ground in Syria will be the last nail in the coffin for Trump.  If he wants to lob a few missiles to nowhere, and compare dicks with Putin and Assad, whatever.  If he starts another pointless war with the men who stare at goats, he'll be unelectable.

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swmnguy jin187 Fri, 04/20/2018 - 14:04 Permalink

I wish I could agree with you.  But in the America I've grown up in, War unites the corporate state, including the media, and the entire political class, behind the President.  Anyone who dares criticize the War Machine is automatically excluded from the conversation, except to be condemned as a freak, a fool, and Anti-American.

This carries through to the most mundane trifles.  Yesterday somebody asked in conversation, "Do we always fly the Flag at half-mast for a former First Lady?"  I riposted asking, "Seems to me the Flag has flown at half-mast every day since 9/11/01.  I can't remember flying at the top of an official flagpole in the past 17 or so years.  We fly it half-mast to the point it's meaningless anymore."

That was a very unpopular observation, at least in that crowd.

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NoBillsOfCredit swmnguy Fri, 04/20/2018 - 18:23 Permalink

People fly the flag at half mast for propaganda purposes now.  Only publicized victims of crime not deaths of national heroes. Oh wait, today's "heroes" are entertainers not people who sacrifice for others or did great deeds for our country. Ever notice there are no half mast flags flying for all of the soldiers killed in unconstitutional and immoral wars?  

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