Democrats Slapped With Demand To Preserve Evidence As Roger Stone Goes After DNC Servers

The gloves are off in the multimillion-dollar lawsuit filed by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) against the Trump campaign, Wikileaks and several other parties including the Russian government, alleging an illegal conspiracy to disrupt the 2016 election in a "brazen attack on American Democracy."

Many have suggested the lawsuit is a tactical error by the DNC, as it may expose or confirm claims against the organization - such as whether they rigged the primary against Bernie Sanders, the level of coordination between the DNC and the Clinton Campaign, and the details surrounding the funding of the "Steele dossier," paid for in part by both the Clinton campaign and the DNC

The defendants - from President Trump, to Wikileaks - and now Roger Stone - are excited at the prospect of examining the DNC servers which cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike determined were victims of Russian hacking in advance of the 2016 elections. Notably, the DNC would not allow the FBI or anyone else to inspect said servers

To that end, Stone's attorneys have slapped the DNC with a notification to preserve evidence related to the case with a "standard pre-discovery notice." Discovery is a pre-trial process by which one party can obtain evidence from the opposing party relevant to the case. 

My lawyers and I will demand to examine the DNC’s servers and expose them to real forensic analysis, not merely accepting the claims of the DNC’s paid contractor, to finally extinguish this bogus Russian hacking claim, once and for all. My lawyers have served the DNC with standard pre-discovery notice directing the DNC of their obligation under law to preserve all possible evidence, including their servers, for ultimate inspection and exposure to critical review. As Julian Assange wrote on Twitter, via the WikiLeaks feed, “Discovery is going to be fun.” -Roger Stone

Stone notes that "Former CIA experts like Bill Binney and Ray McGovern examined the basic data available about the copying of DNC data and concluded that there is more forensic evidence that the material was downloaded to a portable drive, meaning it had to be someone with physical access to DNC computers." 

"Having made their computer systems the subject matter of multi-million dollar demands for judicial relief, the DNC has now exposed them to the discovery process," writes Stone.

In February, New Zealand entrepreneur Kim Dotcom responded to a tweet by President Trump, claiming that "the DNC hack wasn't even a hack. It was an insider with a memory stick." Dotcom says he knows "who did it and why," adding "Special Counsel Mueller is not interested in my evidence. My lawyers wrote to him twice. He never replied."

Dotcom's assertion is backed up by an analysis done last year by a researcher who goes by the name Forensicator, who determined that the DNC files were copied at 22.6 MB/s - a speed virtually impossible to achieve from halfway around the world, much less over a local network - yet a speed typical of file transfers to a memory stick.

The local transfer theory of course blows the Russian hacking narrative out of the water, lending credibility to the theory that the DNC "hack" was in fact an inside job, potentially implicating late DNC IT staffer, Seth Rich.

President Trump and WikiLeaks are also looking forward to checking out the DNC servers:

In response to the DNC lawsuit, Trump tweeted that it could be good news that "we will now counter for the DNC Server that they refused to give to the FBI," along with the "Debbie Wasserman Schultz Servers and Documents." 

The Trump campaign also says the lawsuit will provide an opportunity to "explore the DNC's now-secret records."

And as we reported on Monday, WikiLeaks is counter-suing the DNC - setting up a donation fund and noting "We've never lost a publishing case and discovery is going to be amazing fun."

Prominent Democrats have criticized the suit - such as Claire McCaskill (MO), Jackie Speier (CA) and former Obama White House adviser and CNN commentator David Axelrod - who suggested in a Friday tweet that the "ill-timed" combination of "Comey's flamboyant roll out" and the DNC lawsuit are playing into President Trump's strategy of portraying the investigation against him as a "partisan vendetta."

Stone writes that at the end of the day "Let’s not forget that at the heart of this Democrat lawsuit is their core claim that the exposure of genuine documents created by the hands of their own top officials, revealing to the American people the horrible truth about the how ruthless and cynical the Democrats, Hillary Clinton and her henchpeople really are, is considered BY THEM to be so damaging that it effectively torpedoed the Democrat party’s multi-billion-dollar efforts to install the single most sleazy corrupt brazen criminal to seek the presidency since Lyndon Baines Johnson."


nmewn Tue, 04/24/2018 - 19:16 Permalink

Its on like Donkey Kong.

See, the problem with cavorting with the Klintons is, it's always someone or something else that takes the hit.

For now ;-)

SafelyGraze IridiumRebel Tue, 04/24/2018 - 19:51 Permalink

ot -

amazon announced its new business plan, which will pay restroom attendants to deliver packages into body cavities after people have evacuated said cavities.

"It's the right combination of time and place. After the cavity is purged, it can accommodate a parcel which the recipient later retrieves at his or her convenience. This is a win-win for everybody, and it makes productive use of the down-time people otherwise squander during the flush cycle."

bezos in your business

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chunga bigkahuna Tue, 04/24/2018 - 21:09 Permalink

It should be dropped because it's stupid. It's so stupid it seems fake or whoever called this one was drunk or something. All the defendants will want the evidence preserved and all of them know DNC won't be able to locate it somehow.

The funny thing is that Assange or Dot Kom may have copies or something significant (or they're at least tantalizing that out there) and neither side seems to want anything to do with that.


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Racin Rabitt bigkahuna Tue, 04/24/2018 - 21:14 Permalink

I agree. They'll go full throttle to the wall to try and make it look good. Still, even if the servers are bank boxes of busted up circuit boards, there are all kinds of records that are going to expose all kinds of lies.
DNC will have to drop suit unless they want to plow into the wall, destroy the party and leave the nation in a one-party state. Then its manufactured chaos next, with a quick sidestep to socialism. Crafty DNC.

Everything is a Rich Man's Trick

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Mr. Universe bigkahuna Tue, 04/24/2018 - 21:17 Permalink

Not going to be dropped, these people are certain they are pursuing a righteous cause and therefore destiny is on their side. These democrats don't even bother to flush after taking a dump, because theirs doesn't stink. In fact the serfs gather around the pot and wonder how so much shit can come out of one person. Pride does go before the fall, ask Hillary, when she is conscience.

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bigkahuna Mr. Universe Tue, 04/24/2018 - 22:09 Permalink

If you are right - the crap is going to rain down on them. If they gave it up now, there is still enough time before elections to shove it down the memory hole and not have to do much damage control. If they string this out, they better have some serious sorosbucks because they are going to get slapsuits from all directions - not to mention they are going to be covered in doodoo come election time.

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Chupacabra-322 bigkahuna Tue, 04/24/2018 - 21:36 Permalink

@ big,


If the statements below are correct a lot of people have gone to jail using illegal evidence and parallel construction. I would guess many defense attorneys would like to know more about type of behavior and how to stop it.


"Question: And is that what Snowden was complaining about?"


"William Binney: Yes. Now, it even gets worse, because once NSA has all this data, they have to have a customer for it, and it's now turned out to be law enforcement... It's the FBI and DEA and they're going directly into these databases and querying them and looking for criminal activity and then they use this data to go arrest people... when they do that, they can't take it into court, because it wasn't acquired with a warrant, so it's not admissible in court. And, these are the rules for the-- this is the-- in the DEA is this SOD, or the "Special Operations Division". It's specifically tasked to look at NSA data for criminal activity. In the SOD is FBI, CIA, DEA, of course, DHS and the IRS."


[IRS involvement in spying and harassment]


"Question: Is that just your hypothesis?"


"William Binney: The only key point I have is the-- I can't remember her name, but I have it at home. She was testifying to the House Judiciary Committee. This was one of the people targeted by the IRS. And she mentioned some of the questions they were asking, she said, "They asked me a question about-- what's my relationship with this specific other person?" question now is (not what her relationship is) but how did the IRS know that she had it? The only way they [IRS] would know is looking right into SOD at the graphing in NSA. They would know that from that."


[Parallel criminal case reconstruction]


"William Binney: ...they participate in the parallel reconstruction... when you [Law enforcement] can't use the data, you [Law enforcement] have to go out and do a parallel construction, means you use what you would normally consider to be investigative techniques, go find the data. You have a little hint... NSA is telling you where the data is, it makes you look really good. If you have it quickly. So then you can justify, taking it into court and use that in court...I call that perjury... I call this a 'Planned Program Perjury Policy' run by the Department of Justice of the United States... it's not just affecting our democracy, it's subverting our entire court system. It's not only subverting ours, it's subverting everybody's in the world that has a relationship with the FBI or the DEA. So this is infecting entire democracies, all of the world."


[USA has better domestic spy system than the Russians]


"William Binney: ...they've [NSA] started-- they've instituted a Stasi type system. Where workers in NSA are to look at and watch, "See something, say something" on other employees. So this is Stasi... I refer to N-S-A as the 'New Stasi Agency'... I... reference Wolfgang Schmidt, who used to be a lieutenant colonel in the East German Stasi, he commented on the NSA's surveillance program. He said, "For us, this would have been a dream come true." And the reason they're saying it... this is straight out of the KGB, like Gestapo, SS, Stasi playbook."


"Question: So the Russians have the same program?"


"William Binney: No, we do much better than they did."


And Binney notes: "NSA knows that.. I mean, NSA gets five billion records of GPS data on cell phones every day, so according to the Snowden material."

[That is a lot personal information gathered per day!]


Coincidentally, the owner of the Post also has a major stake in letting Mueller do his work to preserve America’s surveillance and spying complex. In 2013, the same year that Amazon founder and CEO Jeff Bezos bought the paper that broke Watergate for $250 million, Amazon Web Services landed a $600 million deal with the US intelligence community. According to a 2017 Washington Post story, AWS created a “cloud storage service designed to handle classified information for U.S. spy agencies,” including the CIA. The cloud technology  was to “usher in a new era of cooperation and coordination, allowing agencies to share information and services much more easily.”


And now some intelligence and data experts believe that the CIA cloud is how the Obama administration could have minimized its trail after unmasking US persons. “The NSA database, with its large and ongoing collection of electronic communications, can be accessed through the NSA’s cloud,” says one former senior intelligence official. The NSA can audit it and find out if analysts are violating rules. The NSA does not audit the CIA’s cloud, which is audited by the CIA’s IT people and Amazon Web Services employees who are given security clearances. Says the former official: “There are people in the CIA, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and the National Security Council staff who can move information from the NSA cloud into the CIA cloud. That seems the likeliest scenario to explain how Obama officials first unmasked US persons and then shared information without leaving a trail that could be audited independently, or immediately, at every step. Since unmasking, by itself, is authorized for lawful purposes, it’s the processing and sharing, as with Susan Rice’s spreadsheets, that tell us if the information was being misused.”

Presumably, the owner of Amazon is not eager to have Amazon customers see that the company with their credit card data and buying and viewing habits on file may have facilitated the US government’s spying on American citizens to advance a campaign of political warfare.


Mueller’s assembled constituents—from spies to political operatives, and from the press to big data/big business—must look something like what some on the left as well as the right have called the “Deep State,” a sinister-sounding phrase conjuring up dark images of cutthroat Turkish paramilitary operatives. But that’s not really what happened here—even the top spooks involved in Russiagate, like former CIA director John Brennan, have spent most of their careers inside Washington mastering nothing darker than the bureaucratic arts of ass-covering and blame-mongering.

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bigkahuna Chupacabra-322 Wed, 04/25/2018 - 00:00 Permalink

All of this sounds legit. I think that the dems will never be able to fabricate any proof of a hack, even though they think they can - and I also believe that the trail associated with a hack was never there in the first place for the NSA to point to. The NSA could try to fabricate the whole thing - but this would be an extreme challenge, even for them. The hack would have crossed from the hacker, to the public domain, into the dnc domain. There are a lot of devices that would have to have been staged at the time, with detailed logs leading from a hack and pointing back to the path that was used to steal the data. Then there would have to be some type of temporal synchronization - ie, the hacker would have had to have been at x jump at x time - and the return data stream would have had to be at x jump at x time -- and that is just one of the factors.

If all of that had been in place initially, any network security investigator could have tracked the hack at least part of the way if not all the way to its source at the time of the incident. What we saw were accusations and the "server" in question disappeared. Then Seth Rich was murdered.

I do not believe that the NSA nor anyone else can help these people.

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blindfaith nmewn Tue, 04/24/2018 - 19:22 Permalink



A stupid Democrat for 45 longer.  Go fuck yourself you cheating lying garbage that the Democratic Party became.


Clinton and soros have taken the Demonic base to Washington and seasoned it with the young...the young, how much for the little one?  See, the Blues Brother knew...they saw..

Zeus is pleased with them H&S,  but Rome hasn't won.

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nmewn blindfaith Tue, 04/24/2018 - 20:08 Permalink

Yeah, I left them after Carter, I guess I'm what you call a Reagan democrat (as the boos & hiss's from progs

It was "gun control" for me, I just couldn't understand why I was to be penalized for the actions of another.


I started digging deeper into what it had become, no longer was it a "republican" form of government they wanted, they hid behind words like "democracy" because it sounded so "one man, one votish" to the uneducated working man...but behind the scenes you could see it coalescing around the state...anti-freedom...criminality...anti-liberty...the targeting of groups/voting blocs...pitting groups against each other...Balkanizing the country.  

By the time Bubba and Hillary arrived on the scene with their condoms on the Christmas tree, Mena Arkansas connections and being the general scoundrels/criminals they are I was confirmed in my suspicions. 

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Smack nmewn Tue, 04/24/2018 - 20:25 Permalink

The klintons, the DNC, the DOJ and almost every other alphabet soup organization under the Obongo administration tried to usurp this fucking country.

If this wasn't a wake-up call to all the I'm to busy working and Facebooking sorry fucks for citizens of this country, then nothing will wake them, and we're all fucked next election!

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Mr. Universe Smack Tue, 04/24/2018 - 21:26 Permalink

nmewn, WALSTIB is all I can tell you. I started out as a Kennedy democrat as we watched them die. Then Teddy came along and I grew up. It seemed the GOP aligned more with traditional family values and we grabbed a hold. Now in the Autumn of my life I can see the lies more clearly now. As Ray Charles sang, "How long has this been going on?". Sad to say, quite a while.

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nmewn Mr. Universe Wed, 04/25/2018 - 06:54 Permalink

Yeah, it's not to say that weasels like Cantor & Boehner don't slip through the lines like suicide bombers but overall the GOP is a better fit for me ideologically.

The "tell" is always their positions on our liberty. 

No one or no thing is in a position to compromise our liberties away, as soon as they try or "enter into negotiations" over them we know what they really are. 

No compromise. Ever. 

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UnTrust nmewn Tue, 04/24/2018 - 20:26 Permalink

Former Director of the FBI Comey. "No reasonable prosecutor would charge Mrs. Clinton, or anyone at the DNC with obstruction of justice for destroying a server after receiving a subpoena. There simply is no evidence of anything illegal." The director went on to say "Russia, Russia, Russia."

To be fair, critics of Comey are saying that perhaps he wants to keep the money that he received on his book tour.

Others are saying Comey simply did not want to die of suicide with 10 gunshot wounds to the back of his head.

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