Second Seismologist Team Confirms North Korean Nuke Site Has Collapsed

An international team of seismologists has now determined that North Korea's Punggye-ri nuclear test site is essentially unusable following a catastrophic collapse in October that left more than 200 North Korean workers buried alive.

Their findings confirm the work of a team of Chinese seismologists who published their work shortly before North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un declared that he would shutter the site as a gesture of friendship toward South Korea and the US.

Space-based radar showed that after the initial impact of North Korea’s latest nuclear test in September last year, a much larger part of the Punggye-ri test site caved in over the following hours and days, according to a study published in Science magazine on Thursday. The study was conducted by researchers from Singapore, Germany, China and the U.S.

"This means that a very large domain has collapsed around the test site, not merely a tunnel or two," said Sylvain Barbot, one of the authors who is an assistant professor at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore.

The research feeds into an international debate over the value of Mr. Kim’s commitment to close the test site in the run-up to last month’s inter-Korean summit and his meeting with President Donald Trump, expected this month or early next.

Some US officials and experts see the closure as a significant concession while others argue that the site is unusable and its dismantling is therefore an empty gesture designed to gain leverage in negotiations with .

Though it matters less now that Kim has honored the US's request to release three American prisoners (and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's reportedly making headway in his quest to recover citizens who were kidnapped by the regime), the president and Japanese Prime Minister are still bracing for the talks to collapse (no pun intended).

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Meanwhile, the study published Thursday echoed the findings of Chinese seismologists, who determined earlier this year that the site was basically unusable after a cavity inside the mountain where nuclear test were allegedly being carried out.

The new study, which created three-dimensional images of the site, backs the Chinese researchers’ conclusion that a large part of the site can’t be used—while showing that the initial damage is “dwarfed” by the gradual collapse detected from space over the next few hours and days. That damage covers an area with a radius of 800 meters and a height of 400 meters, according to Mr. Barbot, who is also an adjunct professor at the University of Southern California.

“These findings make us infer that a large part of the Punggye-ri test site is inoperable and that further test may require a substantial investment in the construction of another facility elsewhere,” he said.

The most recent North Korean nuclear test, which was carried out in early September, caused an initial magnitude-6.3 earthquake, followed by a smaller quake roughly nine minutes later that was triggered by the collapse of damaged rock above the now-ruined cavity, the Chinese study said.

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Despite the fact that Kim essentially started off negotiations with a lie by offering a false concession to the US, some officials and experts see Kim's decision to close the site as an important concession - while others view it with suspicion - and see it as a sign that the North might be disingenuous.

But regardless, with the date and location for the talks set (June 12 in Singapore), just like Trump's withdrawal from the Iran deal - we won't have a crystal clear view of what will come next.

Comments

bananas Fri, 05/11/2018 - 01:02 Permalink

So that's why Kim is willing to meet with Trump. And Trump thought it was his d*ck's size that got Kim to buckle.

LOL

Kim's got nothing to lose and everything to gain: swapping collapse nuclear facilities for tangible stuff.

LOL

The US has got a moron for President who thinks he perfected the art of the deal.

Hahahahahahahahaha

Bananas!

MarsInScorpio revolla Fri, 05/11/2018 - 10:04 Permalink

Re: revolla, which posted:

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land_of_the_few you_do Fri, 05/11/2018 - 01:31 Permalink

Evidence schmevidence.

Here we are supposed to rely on conjecture from the Hong-Kong-based South China Morning Post. Or is it Singapore this time...

However, it contradicts the SK President's position, and other news sources.

"President (SK) Moon’s press secretary Yoon Young-chan quoted Kim Jong Un saying that two test tunnels at the site remain in very good and usable conditionOther evidence, including reports from 38 North, support this statement."

https://www.38north.org/2018/05/jwolfsthal050718

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Siberian you_do Fri, 05/11/2018 - 04:02 Permalink

Real seismology could not confirm "complete collapse of site" or "200 North Korean workers buried alive".

Seismic is all about inverse ill-posed problems in an anisotropic medium, and best it could tell us is something about the media the seismic wave passing through.

 

P.S. Graduated from Novosibirsk State University as a geophysicist, degree diploma about the identification of the earthquake hypocenter by the difference in measured longitudinal and transverse waves.

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captain whitewater Fri, 05/11/2018 - 01:28 Permalink

Trump will give nothing to the NORKS. The Chi-coms are forcing Kim to the bargaining table or else regime change their way. You Trump naysayers are full of your own festering shit and lingering low self esteem over how deeply stupid you all are.

Obamanism666 Fri, 05/11/2018 - 02:05 Permalink

How is this for a Tom Clancy Plot twist? HRC deep state blew it up, as the NK Urainium came from the Urainium 1 site which the Iranians had processed for Kim, Hence Iran is next to go to cover up HRC Crimes.

oncemore1 Fri, 05/11/2018 - 02:11 Permalink

I do not believe NK needs further testing. The standard tactical nuke works and the strategic  hydrogen nuke works.

Kim is a member of highly intelligent nation (USA is not a nation, usa is a mixture of 330m criminals from the whole. World).

Already now he gained à maximum, he could.

Already now he foocked the MSM and the Netanyahu speaker in WH.

kbohip Fri, 05/11/2018 - 02:12 Permalink

Does no one think Trump is privy to this info too?  You really don't think he has the latest satellite imaging available to him with experts saying "Hey Mr. Pres., this Kim Yong douchebag is just saying he'll shut down that site because he knows it's toast anyway."  To which Trump might have said something to the effect of let's see how far Rocket Man is willing to take this farce.  Tell him we want some prisoners released and then start pushing for more.

RedDwarf Fri, 05/11/2018 - 03:44 Permalink

LOL.  They blew up their test site, or it was sabotaged.  Either way, I'm sure this played a big role in their sudden willingness to talk.

Nuclear Winter Fri, 05/11/2018 - 07:59 Permalink

Those blast doors won't work anymore, for the Little Kimster. So Little Rocketman made a deal... No more firecrackers, bottle rockets, or burning his Godzilla toys.

TemporarySecurity Fri, 05/11/2018 - 09:37 Permalink

If you look at both India and Pakistan they tested about 6 devices then stopped and built the missiles and bombs.  North Korea is most likely just stalling until they can build up an arsenal.  They have played every modern president lets hop Trump does not follow the other lead in being idiots and feeding NK again while they build nuclear weapons.

WorkingPoor Fri, 05/11/2018 - 11:45 Permalink

Some wise old head told LRM 'One must be alive to have a face to lose.' He -had- to know we had imagery on the site. If he wants to make huge points, there'll be a video of him blowing up some artillery piece that's been registered on Seoul all these years.

As for the NKs and reunification...It'll take a generation, maybe two.

The story goes that Napoleon proposed that all major roads were to be lined with trees, so that his troops could march in the shade. "But Marshal!" his advisors wailed, "that will take 20 years!"

"Yes," he replied,"which is why we must begin at ONCE!"

Same thing for reunification/detoxification.