Caitlin Johnstone: 15 Thoughts About Israel

Authored by Caitlin Johnstone via Medium.com,

1. I hate writing about Israel. The accusations of anti-semitism which necessarily go along with literally any criticism of that nation are gross enough, but even worse are the assholes who take my criticisms of the Israeli government as an invitation to actually be anti-semitic. They really do hate Jews, they really do think that every problem in the world is because of Jews and they post Jewish caricature memes and calls for genocide in the comments section on social media and it’s incredibly gross and I hate it. It feels exactly as intrusive, jarring and violating as receiving an unsolicited dick pic. But the Israeli government keeps committing war provocations and massacring Palestinians, so it’s something I’ve got to talk about.

2. Anti-semitism (or whatever word you prefer to use for the pernicious mind virus which makes people think it’s okay to promote hatred against Jewish people) is a very real thing that does exist, and I denounce it to the furthest possible extent. Anti-semitism is also a label that is used to bully the world into accepting war crimes, apartheid, oppression, and mass murder. Both of those things are true.

3. There were dozens of Palestinians killed and well above a thousand injured in the Gaza protests over the US moving its embassy to Jerusalem yesterday. I haven’t found any report of so much as a single Israeli injury. The only way to spin this as the fault of the Palestinians is to dehumanize them, to attribute behaviors and motives to them that we all know are contrary to human nature. To paint them as subhuman orc-like creatures who are so crazy and evil that they will keep throwing themselves at a hail of bullets risking life and limb just to have some extremely remote chance of harming a Jewish person for no reason. This is clearly absurd. A little clear thinking and empathy goes a long way.

4. Trump could have prevented all this violence by doing what previous administrations had done and keeping the US embassy in Tel Aviv. Experts warned that this would happen. Trump ignored them. He is ultimately responsible for the mounting pile of corpses resulting from this provocation.

5. The Trump campaign was given $25 million by billionaire oligarch Sheldon Adelson (the largest campaign donation made by anyone to any candidate), who provided a further $5 million for Trump’s inauguration. Adelson is a sociopathic pro-Israel hawk who once called on the US to drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. He was present at the opening of the Jerusalem embassy, getting what he paid for.

6. Any position on Israel that is determined by words made up by dead men thousands of years ago is intrinsically invalid. Saying the Jewish people are more entitled to Israel than those who were living there seven decades ago because of some superstitious voodoo written in obsolete religious texts is not an argument. Religious freedom is important, and it’s important to be able to believe whatever you like, but your beliefs do not legitimize your actions upon other people. If you murder someone in the name of Allah, you have murdered someone. If you kill 58 people because you feel some ancient scripture entitles you to a particular section of dirt, you have killed 58 people. Your internal beliefs do not give you a free pass for your egregious actions upon others.

7. Israel is very dangerous and completely unsustainable, but its interests are aggressively promoted by powerful plutocrats and lobby groups. It’s like if fracking was a place.

8. A nation that can’t exist without nonstop war and violence is like a house that can’t stand without nonstop construction work. If your house needs a large construction team working around the clock seven days a week to keep it from collapsing, you should probably either move or consider a new architectural design.

9. A nation that can’t exist without nonstop war and violence is not a nation at all, it’s a decades-long military operation with a few suburbs sprinkled on top. And that is exactly how Israel has functioned since its creation: as a nonstop disruption campaign that the post-World War Two western victors dropped on top of the Middle East just as humanity hit new heights of oil dependence. By 1967 Israel came within inches of a possible third world war with America’s only rival superpower, the Soviet Union, and today we have Israel leading the charge in the western empire’s regime change agendas against Iran and Syria. It’s been a consistent pattern.

10. There’s good conspiracy theory and there’s bad conspiracy theory. People who say America controls Israel or Israel controls America are engaged in bad conspiracy theory. We don’t live in a world where the lines between nations mean anything to those with real power; in reality “Israel” and “America” are both purely conceptual constructs which only exist to the extent that people believe in them. There is no actual “Israel” which can exert control over an actual “America”, and vice versa. It isn’t nations and governments pulling the strings of real power in the world, it’s a class of plutocrats who aren’t ultimately answerable to any government. This class of plutocrats uses governments like Israel, the US, the UK, and the KSA to advance its agendas to exploit, loot and plunder the rest of humanity.

11. The western empire is a cluster of tightly allied nations held together by contracts and manipulation which often function more or less as a single unit on foreign policy, war, intelligence, trade, etc. What we call Israel is functionally just the Middle Eastern disruption wing of this empire. The people in control of this alliance place no special value on Israel beyond its usefulness in advancing plutocratic agendas in the Middle East.

12. People make a big deal about Zionism in conspiracy circles, but Zionism is just one more tool of manipulation used by the elite class which only ever cares about power. The people who are actually calling the shots in this world don’t care about Judaism or the Jewish people; Zionism is just a set of ideas they use to move people around. They use Christian fundamentalism, Islamic fundamentalism, white supremacy and secular liberalism in the same way. It’s always about acquiring more power for the western oligarchs, and their insatiable drive in this pursuit is how they wound up at the top of the western power structure. They’ll use any set of beliefs to manipulate the masses toward this end.

13. Since Israel plays such a crucial role in the agendas of the western power establishment for such a key strategic region, it should be no surprise that the people who lived on that land before Israel was dropped upon them get trampled underfoot. As far as the powerful are concerned, the Palestinians are no different from the animals whose habitats are destroyed by a new military base, or the whales that get killed by navy sonar experiments. They’re a nuisance to be swatted away.

14. The reason for the extreme brutality that is being used against the Palestinian demonstrators appears to be the same as that used by the Chinese government in the Tiananmen Square massacre or the lynchings of the segregated American south: to send a message. That message is “Here is how we will deal with you whenever you hold these demonstrations.” They’re quashing the protests so violently and so aggressively not out of self defense, but to dissuade such protests in the future. All they have to do is be brutal enough to convince the Palestinians that such protests aren’t worth the cost of life, and whole generations could be dissuaded from future protests.

15. This brutality is exposing the true face of the western empire, a trend that we are seeing all over the globe in myriad ways. Despite the best efforts of the mass media machine, people are waking up to what’s really going on.

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Comments

nmewn FreeShitter Tue, 05/15/2018 - 19:12 Permalink

"...checking out my podcast, throwing some money into my hat on Patreon or Paypalor buying my new bookWoke: A Field Guide for Utopia Preppers." 

Throw her a few bucks, she's practically begging.

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Awww...lol...prolly shouldn't have downed me...

https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Screen-Shot-20…

...here are ten of "the innocent victims" from yesterday.

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Down vote some moar, I got bunches of them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKkCgpKk4SI

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No problem, these are KIDS being filmed by their parents, taunting Israeli soldiers. They send THEIR KIDS to do what they don't have the balls to do and if the soldier goes off on them, it's all recorded for posterity...with maybe, some slight edits before publication...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6VfYDN2N9Y

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Oh look, three more "innocents"...

https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Screen-Shot-20…

...I'm sensing a pattern here.

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Now, sometimes I get the feeling that those who support a different point of view from the deranged psycho babbling idiots that accompany any thread dealing with nazis, israel or the middle east in general these days around here down me just to piss off the deranged psycho babbling idiots...and I get that too.

So, I'll stop...for now ;-)

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@JSBach1 below me...(because others have replied to you, preventing me from replying there)...

Do you DISPUTE these Hamas government functionaries having been killed while while inciting this last episode of violence? Its a simple yes or no answer.

You also infer that I would delete anything here that I wrote and you go to the trouble of pasting what I wrote to your comment as if...I would or ever have. Have I ever in the past? That answer is no and you know it and I will NOT take it down.

Maybe the Tyler's will make a post about these Hamas thugs having jumped in the fast lane to go pick up their virgins ;-)

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Escrava Isaura Bitchface-KILLAH Tue, 05/15/2018 - 19:47 Permalink

Article: ………..religious texts is not an argument.

LOL. Really?

So then, why that you think they were create?

Don’t tell you believe God talk(ed) to any of these people, do you?

Psst, let me tell you something that I realized:

The second function of religion creation was to take land. Religion gives land grabbing justification.

The first function of religion is to organize the clam; you see, two thousand years ago humans, for the most part, were nomad tribes that had many different crazy mystics believe. Well, most still do but at least now they are organized in three distinct craziness.   

 

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Ms No beemasters Tue, 05/15/2018 - 20:18 Permalink

Did anybody see any indication in there that she is aware that it has completely blown open that Israel, ISIS and SA funded ISIS and Am Qaeda all along?

Are Australians the last to find this out?  The Palestinians is an important issue but just beans compare to everything else.  You can't really talk about one without,mentioning the other.  Also Yemen is being straight starved to death.

edit:  Sorry, posting on cell is difficult to get the hang of.  Definitely have keyloggers on this bitch.

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BullyBearish Ms No Tue, 05/15/2018 - 20:43 Permalink

let's talk about their trump card: jewish holocaust

let's give it to them...all of it...7 years of systemic decimation of horrific death, theft and destruction...there should be a jewish holocaust museum in every appropriate location...NOW:

 

let's talk about the palestinian holocaust: over 70 years of systemic decimation of horrific death, theft, depravity, and destruction done by the same people who experienced a 7-year holocaust!  To be fair, there should be 10 times more special protections for the palestinian victims, 10 times more palestinian holocaust museums, 10 times more monetary reparations paid for by the perpetrators--israhellis.  

in the unsc meeting today, nicvnty haley used the old tried and true comparison trick to try to show that the israhellis are not so bad compared to someone else...WELL, let's ALWAYS compare holocausts...7 years versus over 70 years...

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JSBach1 revolla Tue, 05/15/2018 - 22:09 Permalink

My original response to nmewn's original post got pushed to third page, so I am posting it here again:

@nmewn:

WHY ohhh WHY are you so hesitant to post the actual twitter link and instead chose a "screenshot"?....Are you afraid people might get the wrong impression when they research the poster's other messages for context?????  (recall your "Druze" response...back at you?) 

Just in case your links disappear for some reason (these are the links you originally posted):

This ElderOfZiyon poster (https://mobile.twitter.com/elderofziyon) you've referenced in the Al Quds (Now they're trying to tie Iran to the Gaza protests) screenshot sure does seem to tweet/retweet pro-Zionist messages....As a matter of fact he/she retweeted messages from the likes of MossadIL, Jonathan Tobin of NationalReview', MEMRI (known for their intentional mistranslations), AMERICAN ZIONISM, etc...

(event taking shots at Ahed Tamimi for good measure:

Her family bombed a Sbarro that killed 15 ppl, 7 of them children.

https://twitter.com/PolitiBunny/status/996226147783467009?s=20):

original post from nmewns's screenshot:

https://twitter.com/elderofziyon/status/996352130188488704?s=20

Posts plastered all over Facebook instructing protesters to bring guns, knives, infiltrate Israel en masse, invade nearby villages and kidnap Israelis. Special 'thanks' to @facebook community standards team for enabling this.

https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/996264521059786752

 

[Jonathan Tobin>>>Editor in Chief of @JNS_org. Contributor to @NRO. Columnist for @NYPost, @FDRLST, @Haaretzcom & @NYJewishWeek.<<<]

Is it #Trump's fault that #Hamas is sacrificing #Palestinians in #Gaza? I explain the moral obtuseness of his critics in @NRO. Ihttps://goo.gl/CYoKH7

https://twitter.com/jonathans_tobin/status/996510183970009088?s=20

Senior Hamas Official Mahmoud Al-Zahhar on Gaza Protests: This Is Not Peaceful Resistance, It Is Supported by Our Weapons

https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/996365500308492291?s=20

This tweet really says it all. They don't care about the Palestinians, only that they can vilify Israel. There more protests against Israel today then the gassing, torturing, beating, and killing half a million Syrians by Assad with Iranian & Russian assistance combined.

https://twitter.com/americanzionism/status/996109659361697793?s=20

This "person" says that the BDS movement is a HATE group:

EoZ #Israel News: BDS is a hate group - by definition. Spread the word. https://ift.tt/2rM8lv0 

https://twitter.com/elderofziyon/status/996480540529381376

And this poster thinks the 8 year old Palestinian girl who died was not true:

UPDATE: 8-month old baby that Hamas claims was killed by tear gas probably wasn't. (link: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2018/05/israel-cares-about-gazan-lives-more.html) elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2018/05/israel…

https://twitter.com/elderofziyon/status/996485096944349185

Go look at the activity on this posters account to gain a picture of where his/her loyalty resides with (you will see the previous tweet in their recent activity):

https://mobile.twitter.com/elderofziyon

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you want more....I got moar...

The other screenshot image you posted was of Khaled Abu Toameh (https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh?lang=en) (another pro-Zionist mouthpiece...controlled opposition...surprise surprise) ...again context look at tweets AND re-tweets:

 

This is the actual tweet from your screenshot

https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/996362117547773952

here's more

The end of Yarmouk: Syria is erasing the Palestinians’ largest refugee camp https://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21741578-regime-bashar-al-assad-may-redevelop-landfor-use-syrians-syria … via @TheEconomist

https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/993906450845065216

This is what the Palestinian Yarmouk camp near Damascus looks like after one week of bombardment by the Syrian army and its allies.

https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/990291318877409280

 

https://twitter.com/HSajwanization/status/982382523580846081

 

https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/983810182433173504

 

https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/991741781174837250

 

https://twitter.com/sfrantzman/status/990824033099927552

 

don't forget the barrage of Israeli flag burning (for extra effect <credibility>):

https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/984492340898394112

 

https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/984861158820794368

 

https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/984807052563316736

 

https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/984806471056658433

 

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It's fine if that is what you believe, but be honest about it or you might lose credibility...

 

Just in case you comments >>>disapear<<< for some 'reason' let's take a snapshot:

nmewn  FreeShitter Tue, 05/15/2018 - 19:12 Permalink

...checking out my podcast, throwing some money into my hat on Patreon or Paypalor buying my new bookWoke: A Field Guide for Utopia Preppers." 

Throw her a few bucks, she's practically begging.

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Awww...lol...prolly shouldn't have downed me...

https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Screen-Shot-20…

...here are ten of "the innocent victims" from yesterday.

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Down vote some moar, I got bunches of them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKkCgpKk4SI

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No problem, these are KIDS being filmed by their parents, taunting Israeli soldiers. They send THEIR KIDS to do what they don't have the balls to do and if the soldier goes off on them, it's all recorded for posterity...with maybe, some slight edits before publication...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6VfYDN2N9Y

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Oh look, three more "innocents"...

https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Screen-Shot-20…

...I'm sensing a pattern here.

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Now, sometimes I get the feeling that those who support a different point of view from the deranged psycho babbling idiots that accompany any thread dealing with nazis, israel or the middle east in general these days around here down me just to piss off the deranged psycho babbling idiots...and I get that too.

So, I'll stop...for now ;-)

@nmewn (above):

 I am not implying that you would take your original post down (or modify it), but after what I've seen with many other posters here and the clear psy-ops they were involved with I thought it be prudent to do so just in case... (one should always be mindful of users' real intentions...certainly the hasbara "team" effort is quite apparent here and on other sites)

 

I certainly dispute the Al Quds deaths as an absolute fabrication to tie Iran with the Gaza protests...as far as Hamas...but is a bit dicier...I have seen no proof that 1) they are/were members of Hamas, and even if they were 2) did they die that day in the actual "protests" or somewhere else 3) or they died some other time in the past...

 

why did this guy deserve to be shot in the 'head': https://twitter.com/palplusenglish/status/996383278717374467

btw not my downvote   ;-)

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DownWithYogaPants veritas semper… Tue, 05/15/2018 - 23:13 Permalink

The only real semites over there are the Palestinians............So no.  I am not anti semitic.

Most of the Jews over in Israel are European / caucasians.  But the Jews I am against are the ones who run banks / press and have the Palestinians in a concentration camp.  I guess it's ok if the state of Israel does it.  It's only bad if Germany does it.

What else can you call a place where people live within walls / fences???????????

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Harry Lightning DownWithYogaPants Wed, 05/16/2018 - 00:00 Permalink

Aside from Blankfein at Goldman Sachs, can you name any Jewish people who are either Chairpersons or CEOs of any major banks ?

I always have heard that Jews run the banks, but aside for the small niche investment bank Rothschild and Goldman Sachs, I have not run across any Jews running any of the major banks in the world.

I would like to know who these Jewish bankers are. They seemingly do a good job at hiding. 

Since you wrote that the Jews you are against run banks, I figured you would know the names of who they are.

While you,re at it and since you brought it up, what about Jews in media. I know the family who owns the NY Times is Jewish, and I thought Jeff Bezos who owns the Washington Post is Jewish but he's not. The Murdochs are not Jewish either. So there's three of the biggest media outlets and only one is run by Jews. What about the rest, could you tell us which leaders in the media world are Jewish ?

Here's a page I think might help getting you started : https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-evidence-of-Americas-media-and-banks…

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FBaggins Harry Lightning Wed, 05/16/2018 - 03:12 Permalink

Harry, I do not want to disturb your faith, but in an effort to clarify, can you tell me if the deception which you exhibit either is a product of a strain of some Semite genetic heritage, or would you agree with me that it is most likely a result of some kind Talmudic licence to enable an exclusive tribe to rise above the goyim masses of the world?

You say just a “small niche investment bank Rothschild and Goldman Sachs”.  Really?

List of Banks owned by the Jewish Rothschild family

https://europeanmediacentre.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/list-of-banks-owne…

Six Jewish Companies Control 96% of the World’s Media

http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/six-jewish-companies-control-96-of-the-w…

Rupert Murdoch – not Jewish but a Zionist  

“You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can’t criticize Israel…” Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache

And Harry, apart from control of finances, the Fed, congress, the media, airlines, the armaments industry, Trump, etc., perhaps you can also clarify if Zionists were mainly responsible for 9/11, and (not to excuse any wrongdoing of the Nazis) whether or not the Zionists grossly exaggerated holocaust numbers and atrocities?  

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Harry Lightning FBaggins Wed, 05/16/2018 - 05:34 Permalink

I would dare not question the sage advice found on these hallowed pages about Jews, I would just like to know exactly which Jews have so much power over the masses. I see all these quotes like yours, saying the Jews control all of these institutions of the world, and I say to myself how can a group so small - maybe 30 million out of 4.5 billion in the whole word - be so powerful ? Whst do they have that the rest of us are missing ? Hell they must be exceptionally smart to have fooled so many other people who wanted to be in the same positions that they allegedly now control.

I read the list of banks the Rothschoilds' allegedly control, all those Central Banks in all those different countries. Why would all those countries do what this small little family wants. Hell, Bill Gates is worth more in his pinky than the Rothschilds are worth in their entire set of hands, why would all these government banks listen to what these Rothschilds tell them ?

Do you listen to what a Rothschild tells you ? If you were made the Central Banker of Bumfuck, would you start taking orders from the Rothschilds ? Then why does anyone else ? 

I'll tell you what, if you could show me how all these Jews can get so much power...name names, give proof beyond a doubt...well then I will go to the local temple or synagogue or whatever they call their places of worship and I'll become a Jew. Because shit, if just by being a Jew and following the instructions you give me as to how these Jews becoame so powerful, heck I bet I can be rolling in money with their power soon too !

I can see it now, me as head of the Central Bank of Australia...heck I could pay off the mortgages of my mates back home !Or those of their kids. 

So please, enlighten me with how they done it !

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BigJim Harry Lightning Wed, 05/16/2018 - 11:59 Permalink

I doubt many people making the accusation that Jews disproportionately hold positions of power believe that "becoming a Jew" will instantly enable a non-Jew to hold a position of power.... though I'm pretty sure it wouldn't hurt you in certain professions like media, finance or politics. Or law or medicine or physics or maths. What's more, if a disproportionate number of Jews hold positions of power because they are -as individuals - unusually capable people, then that's not a problem either. And given that their average IQ is around 115 (at least for Ashkenazis) then it's no surprise they tend disproportionately to wind up in management positions.

You'd like some names of top Jewish bankers. Well, off the top of my head I can think of three: Greenspan, Bernanke and Yellen. The Fed is THE most powerful banking institution in the world, but I don't think any objective analysis would suggest these particular Jewish people showed any real talent apart from bailing out the rich and making them even richer than they were already.

The problem is that many Jews appear to have greater loyalty to their group than their countrymen. We can see this with guys like Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban. Adelson donates a large amount of money to Trump's campaign, and Trump moves the US embassy/consulate to Jerusalem. Given that this makes the US even more unpopular with the worlds 1.5 billion Muslims, at the expense of pleasing something like 15 million Jews, it seems like something contrary to the interests of the US public; as does gifting Israel billions of dollars in military and financial aid every year, virtually unconditional support in the UNSC whenever someone dares to criticise Israel, writing laws that make it illegal to sell to your State government if you support BDS, etc. All of these policies harm the average American, but all of them help further Zionist goals, and all of them are lobbied-for by Zionists or people in their pay.

As virtually every government on the planet illustrates, a well organised minority will always dominate the disorganised majority. And Zionist Jews are without any doubt highly organised, and repeatedly demonstrate they care more about Israel's health than the health of whatever other country they happen to live in.

You can carry on denying the obvious - or pretending to - but don't expect the rest of us to mistake someone pissing down our necks for a summer rain shower.

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Harry Lightning el buitre Wed, 05/16/2018 - 00:53 Permalink

That's a very good question, and the reason is because the Palestineans have been thrown out of every Arab State they ever have been in. The last being Jordan, when in 1971 they tried to overthrow King Hussein who then promptly threw a million Palestineans out of his Kingdom. That million went to the only place that would allow them in - Israel - and their legacy makes up a large portion of the Palestineans living there now in Gaza and especially in the West Bank.

I always wondered why none of the Arab States, with their vast expanses of land, would not offer any of it to the Palestineans to have their own State among people who they share far more cultural and religious heritage with than the Israelis. Its because no one wants them, the Palestineans are considered trouble-makers by the other Arabs and no one needs nor wants that kind of trouble. 

So many people like to talk about how Israel stole the land of the Palestineans, but no one mentions how the Arab States that expelled them did the same thing. Whereas Israel has allowed Palestineans back onto the land they once occupied by carving Gaza and the West Bank out of greater Israel, and even offered the land to the Palestineans in the Oslo Accords so they could have their own Palestinean State, not one Arab country that confiscated land that was lived on by Palestineans has ever offered to give that land back.

Its an incredible double standard whereby Israel is blamed for taking Palestinean lands even though they gave the land back to them, while no one blames any of the Arab States for taking away Palestinean land and never giving back anything.

Look, people can talk about this situation until they're blue in the face, but the bottom line is the Palestineans will never accept Israel as their neighbor. They will live next door to the Israelis, they will work inside Israel six days a week, but they will never accept Israel. Which is why they refuse to sign a peace treaty no matter what Israel offers them. The only peace treaty they will accept is to have all of the land that is called Israel for their own. That's never going to happen, and as such, this nonsense will go on for generations to come, and the Palestinean people will suffer from the doom that their political leaders have made for them.

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Harry Lightning any_mouse Wed, 05/16/2018 - 00:55 Permalink

They live on the land they lived on in 1947 before Israel existed. They were offered full ownership as part of the creation of their own State in the Oslo negotiations. They were offered financing to build and own some of the best beach resorts in the world along the Gaza Strip. 

And they declined all of it, because they don't want Jewish neighbors. 

So that's why they suffer and will continue to suffer. Stubborn fools that they are.

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lazarusturtle beemasters Tue, 05/15/2018 - 22:05 Permalink

“People make a big deal about Zionism in conspiracy circles, but Zionism is just one more tool of manipulation used by the elite class which only ever cares about power.”

If only it were that simple Caitlin. Whether you call it “Talmudic Cabalism”, “Freemasonry” or “Luciferianism”, Zionism IS the ideology of the elite class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEW2faswtVI

 

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Stackers hxc Tue, 05/15/2018 - 20:53 Permalink

What is this mythical creature called a "Palestinian" ? There is no such thing.

Palestine is a geographical region. Like Florida. Nobody talks about Floridians as some race of people. People living in Gaza are not an ethnic group or nationality. Most of the people living in Gaza are Egyptian by ancestry.

The nation of Palestine already exist. It's called the Kingdom of Jordan.

If people would stop rewriting history the whole situation would be much easier to understand.

The people that started the nation of Israel had been living there for decades and centuries. With the withdraw of the British after WW-II they fought an outmatched war against the other people living in the area and won. This is how every nation on the planet was created. They expanded their country through subsequent wars that their neighbors started, and won. Again this is how every nation on the planet has expanded it's borders.

Now that their bat shit crazy neighbors continue to want to pick fights they cant win you can hardly blame Israel for dealing with them as the rabid dogs they are.

Beyond that Israel does a lot of shitty things, and I have no love for them and we should stop giving them billions of dollars every years, but lets not pretend that this mythological unicorn called the Palestinian is some kind of "oppressed" people. Give me a break.

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rejected Stackers Tue, 05/15/2018 - 21:35 Permalink

"Nobody talks about Floridians as some race of people."

I live in Florida. I think I would be a bit pissed if someone threw me and my family off my property because a book said they supposedly owned it a few thousand years ago. Then disarmed us,,, put up fences and send in an army because we had the temerity to try fighting back.

Then be told by everyone, even far away nations, we have no standing in the argument because we didn't draw lines on a map and call it a nation.

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snblitz rejected Tue, 05/15/2018 - 23:23 Permalink

Possession is nine tenths of the law

If an army powerful enough to take your land away from you showed up guess what? You would lose your land.

In the US the federal government and the states have been seizing all sorts of stuff.

If they, or your neighbors, can they will take it.

You are not going to lose your land in Florida due to some old book.  You are going to lose it because "they" can take it from you. Pure and simple.

The social order in the US, respect for the law and property rights, is dying out.

Others are being brought in who want what you have and it will be taken from you the second you no longer have enough political influence.

It is already happening in various ways all around the country.

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snblitz Stackers Tue, 05/15/2018 - 23:16 Permalink

Nobody talks about Floridians as some race of people.

Actually you are wrong. Until relatively recently when you went overseas people referred to you by the state you were from.

When I would visit China or Europe I would be thought of as a Californian.

It is only relatively recently that Americans have lost their state association.

I was often asked 'Where are you from?' and answering the United States was not considered an appropriate or adequate answer.

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Twee Surgeon Stackers Tue, 05/15/2018 - 23:41 Permalink

Correct. there is no such thing as a Palestinian. There is no tribe called Pallestinos or any of the happy memoirs or hunting stories that would go along with such a legendary history if it existed but is is utterly fictional. However, calling the tribe of Judah to be Israel is also not entirely accurate as Judah (the King line tribe) was one of twelve tribes. Without writing a history book, a lot of stuff has happened and the so called but not even slightly Lost Ten tribes went to the north and west. The tribe of Judah has vast internal authenticity issues as that tribe adopted some odd non-drinking scribes back around the book of Chronicles chapter 1 or 2 period . It's fascinating to read. God himself makes them a promise as he admires their loyalty to their father who is by implication, not God himself but some other father. Much of Judah is in Israel and will be protected. God's word is going down like clockwork as anyone that's paying attention knows. 'Knock and the door shall be opened', where did I read that ?

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Harry Lightning Stackers Wed, 05/16/2018 - 01:48 Permalink

I am no fan of the Palestineans as you will see from the posts I write here, but I do have to say that I can see why there are hard feelings about the history of Israel and the people who lived in Palestine when Israel declared itself a country in 1948. As you can read from the Wiki link below, in 1947 there were about 800,000 Jews living in the region known as Palestine, and about the same amount of people the successors of whom today call themselves Palestineans. Prior to claiming the land they called Israel, the Jewish inhabitants there made life quite miserable for their Arab co-inhabitants of the land (the predecessors to the modern day Palestineans), and after Israel declared itself a State, there was a significant campaign by the Israeli government to chace the Arab peoples from their newly-declared country. About half a million Arabs left either through force or intimidation, and another 150 thousand stayed. Those half million who left went primarily to Jordan, where they lived until they were expelled from there when they tried to overthrow the Jordanian King in 1971. That's when they moved back to the areas in Israel that the Israeli government had set aside for them, known as the Gaza strip and the West Bank of the Jordan River. A number of these Arabic people also moved into the eastern section of Jerusalem , which historically has housed Muslim Arabs for centuries, allegedly from the time of Mohammad.

So, based on what happened in the period just before and just after Israel declaring itself a nation-state, I can understand why there are hard feelings among the present day Palestineans. But I agree with you that the feelings are ill-placed. Israel is the only country in the region that is willing to set aside any land for the Palestineans, the largest employer of Palestineans in the area are the firms in Israel, and Israel offered to give them the land they now live on in exchange for peace. The Palestinean leadership has made one wrong move after the other, and as such, in large part they are the reason why their people suffer today. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

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