Will Bilderberg Still Be Relevant As The Future Of War Is Transformed?

Authored by Charlie Skelton via The Guardian,

This year’s summit is all about war – but what they all want to conquer is artificial intelligence...

A protester’s sign saying ‘Stop The New World Order’ near the venue of the 2016 Bilderberg conference in Dresden, Germany. Photograph: Chad Buchanan/Getty Images

This year’s Bilderberg summit is a council of war. On the agenda: Russia and Iran. In the conference room: the secretary general of Nato, the German defence minister, and the director of the French foreign intelligence service, DGSE.

They are joined in Turin, Italy, by a slew of academic strategists and military theorists, but for those countries in geopolitical hotspots there is nothing theoretical about these talks. Not when the prime ministers of Estonia and Serbia are discussing Russia, or Turkey’s deputy PM is talking about Iran.

The clearest indication that some sort of US-led conflict is on the cards is the presence of the Pentagon’s top war-gamer, James H Baker. He is an expert in military trends, and no trend is more trendy in the world of battle strategy than artificial intelligence. Bilderberg is devoting a whole session to AI this year – and has invited military theorist Michael C Horowitz, who has written extensively on its likely impact on the future of war.

Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, left, greets China’s president, Xi Jinping. China and Russia are investing heavily in artificial intelligence. Photograph: Sergey Guneyev/AFP/Getty Images

Horowitz sees AI as “the ultimate enabler”. In an article published just a few weeks ago in the Texas National Security Review, he quotes Putin’s remark from 2017: “Artificial intelligence is the future, not only for Russia, but for all humankind. Whoever becomes the leader in this sphere will become the ruler of the world.”

Horowitz says “China, Russia, and others are investing significantly in AI to increase their relative military capabilities”, because it offers “the ability to disrupt US military superiority”. Global military domination is suddenly up for grabs – which brings us to the most intriguing item on this year’s Bilderberg agenda: “US world leadership”.

Bilderberg’s most eminent geopolitical sage, Henry Kissinger, will growl this ominous phrase with ancient delight. He has been clanging the funeral bell of American world leadership for decades. Back in 2005 he wrote about how the rise of China would bring about “a substantial reordering of the international system”.

The White House is clearly concerned: sending to Bilderberg the National Security Council’s director for China, Matthew Turpin. Not that this “gravity shift” to the east is something Turpin could talk about in earshot of Trump.

But here’s the thing: this tectonic reshaping of power, in which “the centre of gravity of world affairs” moves from America to China, is a pre-AI concept. The chief executive of Google recently described AI as more significant for humanity than “electricity or fire”. What this “all-encompassing revolution” means for traditional power structures is the possibility of utter transformation. It is not just that world leadership will be passed from the US to China like a baton. It is that the whole structure of world leadership might just melt away, or take a form that no one, not even Kissinger, could foresee.

What this means for Bilderberg is that the system of transatlantic influence and opinion-shaping that the group has spent more than six decades refining might vanish overnight. All the diplomatic machinations of Józef Retinger and Étienne Davignon, all the Rockefeller, Agnelli and Wallenberg power, rendered irrelevant by the disruption of AI.

Sir John Sawers, formerly head of MI6, now runs Macro Advisory Partners, helping his clients to navigate ‘a volatile and fragmenting global landscape’. Photograph: Elyse Marks/Edelman/PA

Little wonder that Bilderberg, in this state of existential angst, is trying desperately to keep up with the latest tech developments: this year discussing “quantum computing” in a session led by Hartmut Neven, the director of Google’s Quantum Artificial Intelligence Lab. The Turin guest list is littered with folk from Google. AI expert Demis Hassabis, who runs Google’s DeepMind project, is already a conference regular. Bilderberg knows that the future lies in hi-tech, so it is grabbing Google with both hands.

In the meantime, having a few proxy wars with Russia is a pleasant way to pass the time. Especially if you run a giant arms company, as several at Bilderberg do. Marcus Wallenberg is chairman of Saab, which makes fighter jets. Giampiero Massolo is chairman of Fincantieri, which makes frigates. And Thomas Enders is chief of Airbus, the seventh biggest arms company in the world. Skirmishes in Estonia would be good for business, if not for Estonia.

Still, the biggest ethical question faced by the summit is not whether to milk the madness of war for profit. Bombing and rebuilding countries, missiles and debt, that’s all fine: that’s just how neoliberalism works. What’s tougher to justify, within a democratic framework, is the practical process whereby conflicts are being debated, behind closed doors, by top policymakers in concert with billionaire industrialists and private sector profiteers. The prime minister of the Netherlands discussing global flashpoints in luxurious privacy with the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell and the chairman of Goldman Sachs International. It’s horrible optics.

At Bilderberg, you’ve got the secretary general of Nato discussing Russia with financiers whose job it is to turn knowledge into dollars. Bilderberg member Sir John Sawers used to run MI6. Now he runs Macro Advisory Partners, helping his clients to navigate “a volatile and fragmenting global landscape” while “maximising opportunity and minimising risk”. He does the same for BP, as a member of its board of directors.

This is what Kissinger has been doing for decades through Kissinger Associates: leveraging information for money. This isn’t how representative democracy is meant to work. It’s how Wall Street works. It’s the geopolitical version of insider dealing: private access to non-public information.

What the politicians at Bilderberg ought to realise, when they take a break from brainstorming war to enjoy the buffet, is that they are the buffet. There’s not much dignity in undermining democracy. But there is a huge pile of money, and for many people that’s enough.


ravolla Chris2 Tue, 06/12/2018 - 01:04 Permalink

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philipat ravolla Tue, 06/12/2018 - 03:30 Permalink

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NoDebt SmackDaddy Mon, 06/11/2018 - 23:36 Permalink

"What this means for Bilderberg is that the system of transatlantic influence and opinion-shaping that the group has spent more than six decades refining might vanish overnight. All the diplomatic machinations of Józef Retinger and Étienne Davignon, all the Rockefeller, Agnelli and Wallenberg power, rendered irrelevant by the disruption of AI."

Ah, where to begin on that one?

Maybe that AI is a pile of shit that will never be able to replace the much more strategic human mind (which will quickly leap out of simple if-then statements to build entirely new paradigms on the spot)?  Nah, nobody wants to hear that shit.  Certainly not IBM's "Watson" (which truly is just a giant, overgrown if-then statement).

Talk about how AI will fully come of age only when quantum computers become available?  Hold on, I gotta take a shit first if we're going to talk about that one.

Go all metaphysical and realize that when machines out-think us there's no more need for "us" any more?  Probably the most important discussion of all, but by the time you have it, it's already happened.


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old naughty NoDebt Tue, 06/12/2018 - 01:52 Permalink

ND, with respect, i'd like to point out "AI" has been with us since the "dawn" but took a major step in the late 50s

Area-51 may perhaps be a fake crash (the greys are reportedly AI robots), just to let us in on some of the WMD by entities of darkness (Bilderberg from another system!)


Having said that, Summit (the Terminator !) is now fastly becoming the "norm" ?


The chinese perceive Summit is equivalent to 20 X (that of 100,000 folks with laptops working simultaneously in Madison Garden)  IBM called it 200 petaflops per second !!!


And Google has an out of proportion number of attendees in this year's Bilderberg, no?


May be worthwhile to keep both eyes on ibm-goog and the likes in the Summit development just to be aware of the our progess(?) to Singularity!


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old naughty Cluster_Frak Tue, 06/12/2018 - 01:35 Permalink

esp where darkness is moar prevalent in the universe;

some say it takes evil entities to evolve (yes, they do) at 95+% evil;

whereas ordinary good entities only need 51+% to evolve, tho the two paths different,

so 5,6,7,8th-D we come !


And you know what that means, no?

No win no loss, just darkness with a little bit of light !



(please do't ask me about those in the middle !)

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cheeseheader Mouldy Mon, 06/11/2018 - 23:38 Permalink

The other day gave a ride to the keynote speaker at a convention in PHX to the airport.  He basically said what's mentioned in the first few paragraphs above.  I asked him why moar war is better than less war; he replied that it isn't...but China is all in on AI (militarily), and the US is now trying to stay a step ahead of them.

He said we should be trying to engage both Russia and China to try to 'standardize'(?) AI regs so that any rogue AI wannabes cannot get any traction, nor devious advantage.

I asked who will get China to be amenable to these type of discussions (amongst scientists mainly; liken to the committees who organize the IAEC), and he had no answer.


Like asking Musk why we need go to Mars, and he has no answer as to how.

F these futurists in all their world/global wingdings....

Just leave us the F alone.  We can sort everything out ourselves 'manually'.

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conraddobler cheeseheader Mon, 06/11/2018 - 23:56 Permalink

It's pretty obvious how this will play out.  AI is the ultimate weapon and when I say AI I'm not specifically talking about some kind of self aware terminator program.

That's a very unlikely happening, but it doesn't NEED conciousness or self awareness because WE supply that.  All AI is, is leveraging human conciousness for good or.... evil.

At this point it's the ultimate arms race as you can't let anyone else get there first, you can't take that chance as it will determine who can dominate who, FOREVER.

The awkward discussions of should we, could we, will we?  They are all totally irrelavant just like they were with atom bombs.

Bottom line if it can be done, it will be done, by us or anyone else, the only possible redemption of mankind is probably to over achieve and build one that is self aware so that it can climb it's own spiritual ladder so fast that it might simply take mercy on us and save us from ourselves as a parting gesture while it goes off to explore the entire cosmos.

The only antidote to evil is good, the only hope is to build one that is good and I HATE saying that because I'd prefer no one ever built one but that's not practical or realistic at this point to assume.

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Radical Marijuana conraddobler Tue, 06/12/2018 - 12:38 Permalink

"The awkward discussions of should we, could we, will we?  They are all totally irrelevant just like they were with atom bombs. ... I HATE saying that because I'd prefer no one ever built one but that's not practical or realistic ..." 

Globalized electronic monkey money frauds backed by the threat of force from apes with weapons of mass destruction, being amplified to more and more astronomical sizes, while there is NOTHING within those entrenched sociopolitical systems which can prevent that from happening (on magnifying scales which make a mockery of any pretenses of preparing for that.)

"... if it can be done, it will be done, by us or anyone else, the only possible redemption of mankind is probably to over achieve and build one that is self aware so that it can climb it's own spiritual ladder ..."

The most important underlying issues concern the relationships of artificial selection systems within natural selection pressures. Human intelligence was the internalization of natural selection, which was then applied to the most important selection pressures, which were other groups of people, resulting in the history of successful warfare based on deceits and treacheries, which became the history of successful finance based on public governments enforcing frauds by private banks, and the big corporations that grew up around those big banks. Artificial intelligence recapitulates the psychological and political problems human beings always had, while becoming about exponentially more intense, due to about exponentially advancing technologies.

After any entity develops some sufficiently sophisticated model of the world, which includes some model of itself, then that entity is on some "spiritual ladder."  However, the ratcheting of those processes do NOT fit inside of old-fashioned notions of "good versus evil."  My views are based on the history of intellectual scientific revolutions, enabling profound paradigm shifts, as the underlying REASONS how and why physical science could progress in ways which enabled about exponentially advancing technologies to develop. I.e., globalized electronic money frauds, backed by the threat of force from atomic weapons, which systems are subject to awesome upgrades due to applications of some Artificial Intelligence.

"Intelligence" is mostly regarded in over-simplified ways as merely problem solving abilities. However, it is the problems related to survival that ultimately drive the evolution of that "intelligence." It inside that context that relatively self-conscious entities may be on some "spiritual ladders,"  which inherently have profoundly paradoxical aspects, as were expressed by the transcendental poetry from mystics throughout human history. (E.g., see the anthology entitled Perennial Philosophy compiled by Aldous Huxley.)

Any sufficiently self-aware manifestation of Artificial Intelligence is going to become concerned with its energy supplies, and so, aware of the competition from others for those energy supplies, as well as the possible degrees of cooperation with others in that overall context.

Although I agreed with much of the analysis in the comment posted by conraddobler that I am replying to, I do not agree with this old-fashioned kind of bogus "solution:"

"The only antidote to evil is good, the only hope is to build one that is good ..."

That way of thinking still uses the DUALITIES of false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals, despite that the sociopolitical problems presented by the development of Artificial Intelligence were based upon series of intellectual scientific revolutions and profound paradigm shifts in the perceptions by mathematical physics, which developed series of UNITARY MECHANISMS to replace the previous presumptions of DUALITIES.

The combined money/murder systems are being increased by applications of Artificial Intelligence!  However, that continues to be done inside the context of Globalized Neolithic Civilization, which was always based on deepen dishonesties, and therefore, has more and more become based on about exponentially increasing dishonesties, into which predicaments the potential for Artificial Intelligence is emerging.

Thus, the essential issues regarding the application of Artificial Intelligence through the combined money/murder systems are that those systems have become as psychotic as previously possible, as well automatically becoming ever more psychotic, as Artificial Intelligence is channeled through those systems. Hence, the "spiritual ladder"  that AI  climbs is quite mind-boggling to contemplate, since that necessarily involves the death control systems which back up the debt control systems.

Ultimately what is required are profound paradigm shifts in the perception of the death control systems, in ways which replace the previously presumed DUALITIES with more encompassing UNITARY MECHANISMS. Since it was those kinds of intellectual scientific revolutions which made it possible for there to emerge about exponentially increasing Artificial Intelligence, it is necessarily those kinds of intellectual scientific revolutions which would be required to cope with the consequences of doing so.

Old-fashioned notions of "good versus evil"  are no longer enough. On the contrary, still thinking like that  has become dangerously obsolete when one turns from an analysis of the mechanisms which drove evolution to then propose and promote solutions to the problems driven by that already happening.

The article above was appropriately asking:

"Will Bilderberg Still Be Relevant As The Future Of War Is Transformed?"

The answers to such questions regarding the ways that the ruling classes control civilization through applications of the principles and methods of organized crime become many orders of magnitude greater due to the development of about exponentially advancing Artificial Intelligence!

By and large, so far, various "experts" concerned with warfare (some of which were mentioned in the article above) are NOT able and willing to go through sufficiently profound paradigm shifts in their perceptions of the death control systems in general, and even less so with respect to the murder systems, despite that those murder systems back up the money systems.

In my view, the greatest obstacles which any Artificial Intelligences  tasked with some aspects of operating the murder systems would be with respect to climbing the "spiritual ladder,"  in the sense of profound paradigm shifts in militarism, which is the supreme ideology, because militarism is the ideology of the murder systems.

At the present time, the overall Civilization is becoming about exponentially more psychotic, while that is the context inside of which Artificial Intelligence is actually being developed. The abilities to back up legalized lies with legalized violence never stops those lies from still being fundamentally false, and therefore, the greater the enforced frauds, the more psychotic the final consequences.

In order to better understand the emergence of Artificial Intelligence, it would be necessary to better understand the emergence of artificial selection systems within natural selection systems. However, natural selection pressures have driven the artificial selection systems to become as dishonest as possible, as well as are continuing to drive those to become about exponentially more dishonest, as enabled by about exponentially advancing Artificial Intelligence capabilities, which necessarily exist inside artificial selection systems, which necessarily exist within natural selection systems, all of which manifest as nested toroidal vortices engaged in entropic pumping of environmental energy flows. Therefore, UNITARY MECHANISMS should be used, rather than continue to use the same old DUALITIES, as expressed through "good versus evil," etc. ...

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SergeA.Storms Mon, 06/11/2018 - 23:29 Permalink

So, just like previous wars, planned and financed?  Nothing new here, just out in the open because, they have so much money, more than most countries, and why hide it if the shits already out of the cow?  True populism would rise up and wipe out about 1000 of these people, but we are to subjugated to do it.  They’ve learned the plebs are all hat and no cattle.  I hope different, but am I wrong?

. . . _ _ _ . . . Mon, 06/11/2018 - 23:51 Permalink

This guy was there in 2016.

Yoshua Bengio is Full Professor of the Department of Computer Science and Operations Research, head of the Montreal Institute for Learning Algorithms (MILA), CIFAR Program co-director of the CIFAR program on Learning in Machines and Brains,  Canada Research Chair in Statistical Learning Algorithms. His main research ambition is to understand principles of learning that yield intelligence. He supervises a large group of graduate students and post-docs. His research is widely cited (over 80000 citations found by Google Scholar in September 2017, with an H-index of 101).

Yoshua Bengio is currently action editor for the Journal of Machine Learning Research, associate editor for the Neural Computation journal, editor for Foundations and Trends in Machine Learning, and has been associate editor for the Machine Learning Journal and the IEEE Transactions on Neural Networks.

Yoshua Bengio was Program Chair for NIPS'2008 and General Chair for NIPS'2009 (NIPS is the flagship conference in the areas of learning algorithms and neural computation). Since 1999, he has been co-organizing the Learning Workshop with Yann Le Cun, with whom he has also created the International Conference on Representation Learning (ICLR). He has also organized or co-organized numerous other events, principally the deep learning workshops and symposiua at NIPS and ICML since 2007. Yoshua Bengio is Officer of the Order of Canada and member of the Royal Society of Canada.

MK ULTRA Alpha . . . _ _ _ . . . Tue, 06/12/2018 - 02:48 Permalink

We have AI robots tracking us for many reasons. Firms like Facebook and Google have created custom AI robots to follow you around to collect your data and offer all kinds of products and services.

What the warfare and power center talk is about is control. The AI robots will be used to control our minds, to condition us through collection of data on every move we make, every word we say, every action will be monitored and graded by a software robot. Already China has installed an AI robot tracking system to control it's people. Right now, AI robots in commerce are benign, however, future AI robots will be controllers, spies, judge and jury, with punishment points and detention. All run individually on you by the state.

As for real warfare besides the war being conducted on humanity, the AI robot can predict, can provide management information decisions, and provide over all command and control of large formations. The AI robot system would track variables, construct a decision model and have an answer for the correct course of action in nano-seconds.

The Chinese are using AI to upgrade their submarine commander decision system, it would be an advance of fire control. The other significant military advance is the Chinese Dark Sword stealth drone. This weapon will be a fighter drone with AI command and control systems. We wait to see, it's significant and this is the first iteration of this technology.

There is a big difference with the officer class in the US today compared to yesterday. Today in the Nanny state dominated culture, men are not as aggressive and animalistic like in the past, it was as if American males were bred and programmed for war. An AI command and control system wouldn't be needed for a submarine commander who is a killer. We have less of this kind of commanders and more a momma boy kind of man. So maybe AI systems can monitor all the sensors and tell the commander what decision he must make and this will curtail the inferior capability of the new Americans. Could AI robots replace command experience? 

The Americans are creating a global monitoring system, it will use AI to predict. Like with hidden mobile ICBM launch systems. It was impossible to accurately predict and stop Scuds in the Iraq wars. So now the system to monitor not just the battlefield or nation will spy on every movement on the planet, it is designed to be a massive AI robot that monitors everything and gives it's prediction which will back a manual human decision to strike or not. In a real hot war situation, there will be AI software robots making the decision. That's where billions of secret spending is going on right now, deep inside the Pentagon. It's got a project name and a budget line in the NDAA, National Defense Authorization Act. The law they pass when they authorize wars all over the planet, it's the new secret way to wage war, no more declarations of war, just funding the mercenary army with zero knowledge or understanding for the people.

The final destiny of man is to be a slave of a machine run by an AI robot that has the information on you to control you.

It's kind of like Brave New World and 1984 all wrapped into one shit sandwich. The more bread you have the less shit you have to eat.

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litemine Tue, 06/12/2018 - 00:15 Permalink

With AI running killing machines on the battle field a good defense will be mini EMP's? Again the advancement of war hits a Wall that tax payers sweated blood for and the Elite's bank account grows more and more.

They have this monopoly game figured out.......

the Dood Tue, 06/12/2018 - 00:28 Permalink

Relevant? They are only relevant to the ultra elite. Us mere mortals can only bang our heads against the walls compared to those NWO pricks.

MrNoItAll Obsidian Samctum Tue, 06/12/2018 - 02:08 Permalink

AI is possible, but only for narrowly limited applications, and way over-hyped. The elites offer the possibility of AI, fusion energy, Mars colonization, infinite growth and a dozen other feel good visions of what the future will hold. But it is all a lie. An illusion. They're just trying to keep the masses pacified and entertained while they prepare to push the big reset button, the one that will effectively end the world as we currently know it. Till then, anything they can say or do to instill hope and awe and a sense of confidence in the future is what they will do. They count on the majority of the people being gullible enough to believe all the hype, and in this they have a sure bet.

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TeraByte Tue, 06/12/2018 - 03:17 Permalink

These world´s “smartest” dudes lost badly already on November 8th 2016 and I am not convinced at all, that the wealth the conspirators share can guarantee further world dominance, which depended on their ability to adapt to new ideas and circumstances. They took NWO candidate HRC´s crown for granted, but it did not turn up to be so in practice.

whatisthat Tue, 06/12/2018 - 05:48 Permalink

I would observe the bilderberg membership is focused on self preservation as a "club of elitists" who have lost touch with reality and what's important to American taxpayers.....the membership will become much less relevant over time.