What It's All About: Coercion!

Authored by James Howard Kunstler via Kunstler.com,

It’s worth checking out the YouTube video of this year’s semi-annual Munk Debate held in Toronto this spring. The proposition at hand: Be it resolved, what you call political correctness, I call progress….

For the pro position: Michael Eric Dyson, sociology prof from Georgetown U, and New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg;

on the con side, Jordan Peterson, psychologist and U of Toronto prof, and Stephen Fry, British actor and screenwriter.

The debate quickly beat a path to identity politics, which make up the actual substance of PC, itself only a method of conveying the substance.

PC acts as a filter for sifting out thought that doesn’t conform to orthodox ideology, and for punishing those who dare to express the filtered-out ideas. So, PC only allows for a narrow range of expressed opinion on identity politics. PC is literally thought-policing. It’s hard to imagine anyone being in favor of that, which is exactly why PC behavior so odious to those of us who value free speech.

The orthodox view in identity politics these days is that “white male cis-heterosexual patriarchal privilege” is responsible for the discontents of women and “people-of-color” - a squishy, mischievous category which obviously doesn’t count Chinese grad students at Harvard or the Asian-Indians in the Silicon Valley C-suites — and demands reparations of one kind or another.

Mr. Peterson laid it out nicely: identity politics assigns everyone to ethnic, racial, and sexual groups, and all the human relations among them amount to never-ending battles for political power. Nothing else matters. Individuals especially don’t matter, only the group. And no group has abused its power more than European white men.

This animating idea comes out of the mid-20th century “post-structural critical theorists” Jacques Derrida and Michel Foucault, whose Marxian views emerged conveniently at a time when women and non-white people were vying for departmental chairs in the college humanities and social science programs, and thus have two generations been indoctrinated.

Well, if human relations are solely about power, than exercising power over others is all that matters. Hence, the key to identity politics: it’s all about coercion, making others do your will by threat of force and force itself. These days, the main threat is depriving heretics and apostates of their livelihood. That’s what happened to Brett Weinstein at Evergreen U in Washington State last year, and to Jordan Peterson himself at the U of Toronto, when he objected loudly and publicly to a new Canadian federal law that sought to punish citizens who refused to use the new menu of personal pronouns for the rapidly multiplying new gender categories (e.g. ze, zir, they, xem, nem, hir, nir….)

Both Weinstein and Peterson refused to be coerced and found themselves inadvertently leading a movement against the pervasive, creeping coercion of our time - which has now spread from the campuses into corporate life, with the HR departments working overtime to enforce thought among employees, because company profits are at stake (e.g. Starbucks day-off for “diversity and inclusion training”).

Most of the sparks in the debate came off the friction between Dyson and Peterson. Dyson, who was ordained as a Baptist minister at age nineteen, relies on the tropes of the pulpit to entertain his audience (or his classes at Georgetown). That theatricality is well-suited to putting across dubious ideas with false authority. In the end, he resorted to plain old name-calling, branding Peterson as “an angry white man.” Peterson did appear deeply annoyed. I could certainly understand why. He’s been suffering the enmity of morons for a couple of years now. But he has them on the run. He’s onto their game and he’s unmasking their mendacious intentions. And offering a framework for understanding human relations that actually comports with reality. In what has been lately a reality-optional culture, that really hurts.


VWAndy Mon, 06/18/2018 - 22:25 Permalink

 The truth does pretty well on anything like a level field.

  This is why they dont debate with anyone. They really do suck at debating. They know it too. I been trying to open a real dialog with them for years.

Frito VWAndy Mon, 06/18/2018 - 22:44 Permalink

Opening a dialog with a postmodernist is a tricky endeavor as they tend to dismiss dialog as a part of the phallogocentric patriarchy. They do not believe in dialog, only power struggles between groups.


It seems to me that it takes several years of intensive conditioning to indoctrinate people into this mindset (otherwise known as a Liberal Arts degree of some sort). Would be interested to find if there is some way of breaking people out of the indoctrination though, as the alternative could be a dark road to travel.

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HRH of Aquitaine 2.0 Frito Mon, 06/18/2018 - 23:11 Permalink

They don't want a conversation they want you to submit to their point of view. No wonder these people like Muslims, so much.

I view this as all about power and control. They want the power to control every aspect of your life. When you shower, how much water is used when you shit, what you get to eat, when you are innoculated. These people view everyone else as cattle to be herded, fed, and maintained on the democrat plantation. No thank you!

I can see how this will end. When the money runs out and people go on strike and say, "no more. I am not your fucking tax $lave!"

Starve the beast. The only way to disrupt this massive shit show.

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Baron Samedi HRH of Aquitaine 2.0 Mon, 06/18/2018 - 23:56 Permalink

--> HRH of Aquitaine 2.0: "They want the power to control ..." - and as a young universitarian eons ago I noticed ~friends/acquaintances who had drunk the (~Marxist kultural) koolaid were automagically - somehow - excluded from the 'controlled' classes referred to in "workers' dailies (!)" as "the masses" - and who I now refer to simply as the peasantry (def: anyone with a$$ets of  < $1B [U$D]). 

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HushHushSweet HRH of Aquitaine 2.0 Tue, 06/19/2018 - 06:19 Permalink

Yes, political correctness is a religion, which is why those who ascribe to it will not discuss anything outside its dogmas and tenets. Political correctness adherents are brainwashed into the politically correct worldview, which is premised on accepting mental and spiritual illness as "alternative lifestyles" and "gender identities". Fifty years ago their nonsense would have been branded as nonsense outright and its proponents rightfully shamed into silence, but now because of introduction of "hate speech" laws, which are the politically correct version of blasphemy laws, to brand the religion of political correctness as nonsense is to open yourself to vicious personal attacks, unemployment, and possibly a jail term.

The only way out of the brainwashing of political correctness is divine intervention on an individual level. On a societal level, the only way out is for it to be overcome by an even worse form of social tyranny, along the lines of Islam.

Meanwhile, those of us who still ascribe to good old-fashioned common sense and cling to Truth as the arbiter must continue to hold our ground and speak our minds, whatever the consequences. To do otherwise is to cave to the whims and wiles of mentally ill people who do not have our or broader society's best interests at heart.



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Jessica6 Frito Tue, 06/19/2018 - 09:33 Permalink

Most of the ones who seem to swallow postmodernist drivel are sheltered suburbanites who had learned in grade school lessons about Thanksgiving that Colonialists did bad things. They don't realize what a one-sided view of history they are getting, since no one teaches about the Ottoman Empire, or the Barbary slave trade, etc.

They look at their cushy upbringing and compare it to those in the third world twenty or more years ago. They're also so sheltered that they fail to understand there are plenty of rich brown kids, ones who often have a vested interest in down-playing how easily they've had it from a financial standpoint. 

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Jessica6 VWAndy Tue, 06/19/2018 - 09:22 Permalink

Hard to be good at debating when you simply don't have a case. Twenty-five years ago when I was at Uni people kept claiming "political correctness" was way overblown, just a small and especially crazy fringe.

Except that now that small crazy fringe seems to be running everything. Ironically they themselves are proof raw ambition and persistence trumps talent, skills or gender/skin color since they've coerced countless governments and corporations to create high-paying nonsense jobs for so many of them.

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Chupacabra-322 Mon, 06/18/2018 - 22:32 Permalink

I commented sometime ago on the Pure Comic Genius of Keenan Ivory Wyans Show in the 90’s, “In Living Color.” In today’s sick, Twisted, Dystopian Reality. That Comedy Segment Show would be considered “Racist!” and somehow inappropriate for viewers.

Many of the Comedians which made us all laugh at ourselves & our stereotypes the likes of George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Robin Williams, Richard Townsend & Eddie Murphy to name a few. Are all by today’s standards. Excuse me, their standards, pose some type of “Identity” Threat to their group, herd mentality & Culturally “unacceptable” in their Illogical World. 

Cultural Marxism & Economic Warfare. 



Drachma Mon, 06/18/2018 - 22:32 Permalink

Dyson is a sophist of the highest order. To the ignorant sycophant he is a genius. To the wise, it is apparent that he says nothing, albeit with a verbosity akin to a linguistic fireworks show. What a hack compared to the earnest intellect of Peterson. Cheers.

the French bitch Mon, 06/18/2018 - 23:11 Permalink

Am I the only one who wants to tell the black guy, Get over yourself! We are all judged, every day, forced into some category that diminishes us.  Have you bothered to look at how many white people are killed by police for dubious or no reason as compared to blacks?  How many mentally ill, developmentally challenged, etc, etc?  Keep your cherished victimhood out of the debate.  

At a debate on political correctness, he's playing the race card!

GoldmanSax the French bitch Tue, 06/19/2018 - 08:47 Permalink

It is much easier to argue with the face you see than take on the Banking Cartel. People feel powerless when facing the idea of the Rockerfellers, Rothchilds, Morgan's, Lazards, Schiffs, etc. A regular Joe makes a perfect substitute. Average Joe doesn't enslave, lynch or regime change. That is what makes him the target of choice. He has defend shit he doesn't even think, less do. 

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zccu17 Mon, 06/18/2018 - 23:17 Permalink

the "I know what people think of me" by Dyson and his claim the people who have melanin are denied their individuality I disagree with. WEB DuBois, MLK Jr., Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Marcus Garvey, Dr. Ben Carson, Jay-Z, Nas, Kareem Abdul-Jabar, Muhammad Ali, AZ ... all of these people I think are recognized generally by *most of America* (could be wrong on that) as individuals.

heck, the reason I was listening to him speak was because I don't know yet what I think of him ... but because I am a member of a group (the shamed caucasoid male) -- then he already knows what I think of him? No, sir.

that people in Starbucks abhor his presence is a judgment of all members of a group (people in Starbucks) based on the action of one member in that group.

MrAToZ zccu17 Mon, 06/18/2018 - 23:23 Permalink

The creation of the hyphenated American has been incredibly destructive to the citizenry. It has warped our perceptions in ways we cannot begin to calculate.

Dyson sets up so many straw men most of them connected to "feelings", that by the time you get out the machete and start hacking them down your exhausted. I have seen the left do this time and time again. They run the clock out.

In almost every debate Peterson has engaged in the left always prefaces their argument with the mention of internet trolls that said "bad things" about that propagandist he took apart on television. As if Peterson is responsible for someone's actions. If this is the case the left should take responsibility for antifa, or code pink, the Workers World Party or half a dozen left wing idiocy groups.

Personally, I would love to see the tape of Petersen going to a black church of Dyson's choice. An hour with an exceptional therapist is probably just what is needed.


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malek Tue, 06/19/2018 - 01:12 Permalink

Careful now, James -
with your Trump-derangement-syndrome you shouldn't praise Jordan B. Peterson too quickly,
as he in this interview stated in January 2018:

"He [Trump] has been in power for a year, and all hell hasn't broken loose..."

chippers Tue, 06/19/2018 - 04:53 Permalink

People like to say that all  degree problems with studies in them are bullshite,  I bet they have never taken a sociology course,  cause that is the ultimate in bullshite,  pure out an out SJW lies.

GoldmanSax Tue, 06/19/2018 - 08:27 Permalink

The PC crowd are actual zombies. They choose to believe their hallucinations and deny objective reality. They scoff at "conspiracy theories" that are proven true, while holding fast to unsuppoted delusions. You can call explain anything (with citations) and they default to fantasy. The best you can get from a polite one is "let's agree to disagree". They are usually leftist. They don't want equality, they demand rights at the expense of everyone else. They are Ok with that because it is fair. 

surf@jm Tue, 06/19/2018 - 09:34 Permalink

Well, I practice Dollar Correct.....

If I learn that a company or person, is bowing to, or advocating socialism or marxism, I don`t buy their product......