In Surprising Turn, US Sends "Farewell Message" To Proxies In Syria's South

There's been a significant and unexpected development in southern Syria, where the Syrian Army and allied forces are engaged in a major offensive to take back Daraa and Al-Quneitra provinces from long entrenched FSA, al-Qaeda, and ISIS groups (the ISIS branch is known as Jaish Khaled Bin al-Waleed).

Though we and others have noted that this massive final battle to solidify Assad's hold over key areas bordering Jordan and the Israeli occupied Golan Heights could trigger US-Israeli intervention, consistent with recent threats from the US State Department, it now appears Washington has changed its tune.

CIA armed and trained "Southern Front" fighters in Syria. Image source: Reuters via the Jerusalem Post

On Saturday a Middle East analyst named Sam Heller broke the news that Washington has told rebel groups in southern Syria the US has spent years backing that they should not expect American military intervention on their behalf. 

The message was reportedly sent from the US Embassy in Amman to anti-Assad commanders currently under attack from Syrian government air and ground forces:

New message from U.S. Embassy Amman to southern rebels: Make your own decision, but “you should not base your decision on the assumption or expectation of military intervention by us.”

Though the State Department has continued its public threats that the US will "take firm and appropriate measures" against Damascus should its military campaign continue in Deraa, it appears Washington has washed its hands of the "Southern Front" militants it helped create — now essentially telling them: you are on your own.

The United States has for months warned Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his Russian allies that violations of a southwest “de-escalation” zone brokered between the US and Russia last year would have “serious repercussions."

Washington and allies Jordan and Israel (along with the gulf states) have propped up the very insurgent groups, including al-Qaeda linked factions, now operating near Israel and Jordan from an "operations room" in Amman. As the AP noted recently, CIA support to these very groups from nearly the start of the war was key to their growth and survival:

For years, rebel forces known as the Southern Front received covert U.S. arms, funding and training to help them fight both the Syrian government and IS. But President Donald Trump ended the CIA program last year to try and extricate the U.S. from the civil war, an effort that was again thrown into doubt when an alleged chemical attack this month prompted U.S. and allied airstrikes against Assad's forces.

But this latest message to anti-Assad militants could signal the beginning of the end amidst new reports of rebel collapse in the northwest parts of Daraa province

“We in the United States government understand the difficult conditions you are facing and still advise the Russians and the Syrian regime not to undertake a military measure that violates the zone,” the message also stated. And then what sounds like a Washington farewell letter of sorts: "But we need to clarify our position: We understand you need to make your decision based on your interests and the interests of your families and faction, as you see them. You should not base your decision on the assumption or expectation of military intervention by us."

President Assad has repeatedly vowed to retake "every inch" of sovereign Syrian territory. Though it now appears the US is backing off its pressure in the south, the Pentagon still maintains over a dozen forward operating bases in Syria's north and east, including some 2000 or more reported US soldiers and advisers bolstering Kurdish-dominated Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). 

One constant and observable pattern when it comes to US intervention in Syria, however, has been that whenever US leadership declares withdrawal from Syria operations, the "rebels" claim a "chemical attack" or other highly visible mass atrocity perpetrated by the Syrian government against civilians. 

The other possibility and great unknown when it comes to the battle for Daraa and Al-Quneitra is that the US could give Israel a green light to launch further attacks on Syria. 

Early on Sunday the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) announced its Patriot defense system was activated after an unidentified drone approached the Golan border. The IDF acknowledged that Israel's missile defenses failed to hit the target.

Video of the failed drone intercept was published online by an Israeli journalist. 

Some observers suggest the drone could be Russian, as over the weekend it became public knowledge that the Russian Air Force — in contravention of US demands — has taken a lead role in air operations over southwest Syria. 

As Al Masdar news confirmed late Saturday:

The Russian military officially entered the southwest Syria offensive this evening, a source told Al-Masdar from the Dara’a Governorate. 

The Russian Aerospace Forces unleashed a massive assault over northeastern Dara’a tonight, targeting several areas controlled by the jihadist rebels.

And significantly, as Al Masdar reports further: "This attack by the Russian Aerospace Forces comes just 48 hours after the U.S. State Department issued a stern warning to both the Russian and Syrian governments about escalating their offensive in southwest Syria."

Despite Washington's signalling that it will remain on the sidelines in the fight for the southwest region through the US embassy's "farewell message" to opposition commanders, the situation remains fluid and volatile, and US policy has been known to change on a dime in Syria.

Comments

tmosley Sir Edge Sun, 06/24/2018 - 15:43 Permalink

A few months ago I suggested that we would be out of Syria within a year. Many here scoffed at the notion and derided me for expressing it.

When your theory produces such predictions, and they come true, you have a model that closely resembles reality.

Losers will never understand this very basic method to approaching the world. 

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I Am Jack's Ma… tmosley Sun, 06/24/2018 - 15:49 Permalink

On Trump’s watch about a dozen bases have been built in Eastern Syria.  They’re positioned to divide Kurd occupied (not nec. inhabited) areas and its oil from Damascus as well as a partial ring to protect Israeli occupied Golan.

 

And I wouldn’t discount a head fake by the US and/or Israeli attacks in th SW pocket.

 

Trump will likely ‘recognize’ it as belonging to Israel, as his Masters want.

The US is not getting out of Syria anymore than the flood of illegals will actually stop anymore than your tongue will be extracted from Orange Jesus’ anus.

 

Sad.  😢

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chunga tmosley Sun, 06/24/2018 - 16:38 Permalink

I'm reluctant to blame everything on the maverick but US foreign policy is schizophrenic if nothing else, and as commander in chief criticism comes with the territory.

I won't link it anymore because I'm getting spammy with it, I suggest you go read Orlov's 6/19 article "Imperial Collapse Markers".

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I Am Jack's Ma… mrtoad Sun, 06/24/2018 - 16:25 Permalink

hey man...  the economy is doing great...  easy enough to sell more taxpayer IOUS to  fund a nice new hybrid war to split off Genieenergistan and to try a decap assault on Iran...

Israel is still willing to fight to the last American.  Jews control the media and both parties...

All is needed is for ‘Iran’ to attack a US ship or some such.

 

Israel could even have peace with Hezbollah if it gave back Sheeba Farms and declared it would stop trying to take Lebanon to the Litani River... a Ziopig dream since the 1920s...

It could have peace with Syria if it gave back the Golan, stolen in a war it started.. tens of thousands of Syrians ejected, their villages bulldozed.

It could have peace with Palestine too if it would remove its colonists from ‘Judea and Samaria (sic)’ but they refuse to do so.

And if they did all of the above, and stopped spreading lies about Iranian nukes (while building more of their own) they could even have peace with Iran.

But Israel is allergic to peace. It seeks to expand and dominate the region and rule the world via Zionist lobbies all over the West as Jewgod promised.

 

Perhaps its secular moderates can take over from the Likud/Shas/Jewish Home Jewish Supremacists and Ultra- Ethnonationalists.

 

Unlikely... Judaism itself is a Master Race thieves guild.

 

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LaugherNYC I Am Jack's Ma… Sun, 06/24/2018 - 17:15 Permalink

Hey, Jack -

Exactly who do you troll for?

I'll just take the concept of the Golan as "stolen" along with the idea that Israel "started" the war. As the Arab forces massed their armies and air forces for an all-out invasion of Israel, they also announced their intentions to revoke the 1950 treaties to keep the Straights open to international navigation. This was an outright casus belli, an act of war, under international law.Nasser publicly announced it as just that - an open provocation to the Israelis to attack, so that the Arab nations could respond and wipe it from the Earth.

Let's remember the buildup to the 6-Day war. Israel, vastly outnumbered and outmanned, made every possible outreach to prevent an invasion and war it did not feel it could possibly survive. It's outreach was met with scorn, and promises of utter annihilation as soon as the Arab forces were ready to launch their invasion, starting years before.

Facing this massaive buildup, the rhetoric of genocide, the closing of the straights, and the elevation of troop status to absolute readiness for war, Israel responded, building its troop strength up, and when its final diplomatic attempts were swept away with scorn and derision, gave Nasser what he wanted, a preemptive attack to save itself from annihilation. Of course, the Arabs had no idea what they were in for. The Jews were not the paper tigers the anti-Semites like to call them. Fighting for the survival of their families and their nation, they utterly demolished the bloodthirsty forces massed against them.

Still, they begged Jordan not to join the assault. But, Jordanw was swept up, and attcked the West Bank. Israel pushed them back, taking the Golan. Had Jordan not attacked several days after the fighting began, under the false impression from Egyptian lies that Israel was being routed, the Golan would never have been taken.

So, stop your whiny bitch, little girl pussyman whining. The Arabs kept poking and taunting, and then massed for the coup de grace. They got their asses kicked, fair and square, by a tiny little country. Israel didn't ask for or recieve any help from anyone, except for arms sales to counter the MASSIVE Russian sales to the Arabs.

Jews don't need anyone to die for them - they will fight their own wars. Rather, it is Russians who send Syrians and Iranians to die for their hegemon. Faggots who won't fight their own battles. Own your bullshit, trollboy. 

A history lesson for the Russian morons who can't get their lips off Vlad's rectum long enough to read a little history.

Ask yourself - in this situation, what would you do? And, absent the bullshit, who would you root for? The tiny underdog, or the massive Goliath about to stomp it to death?

 

"We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand, we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood" - President of Egypt, Gamal Abdel Nasser - March 8, 1964

In April-June, 1967:

President Attassi of Syria: “it is the duty of all of us now to move from defensive positions to offensive positions and enter the battle to liberate the usurped land…Everyone must face the test and enter the battle to the end.”

yria’s information minister Mahmoud Zubi: “(this battle will be)…followed by more severe battles until Palestine is liberated and the Zionist presence ended.”

Egyptian Battle Order No. 1 issued: "...Raising the level of preparedness to full alert for war, beginning 14.30, 14 May 1967;" -Field Marshal Abd al-Hakim Amer

Israel tries again to forestall war:

“Israel wants to make it clear to the government of Egypt that it has no aggressive intentions whatsoever against any Arab state at all” - Israeli PM responding to massing of Egyptian troops on its border, ordering Israeli reinforcements to the border area  

Egypt's response:

"To your information, I gave my instructions to all UAR forces to be ready for action against Israel the moment it might carry out any aggressive action against any Arab country. Due to these instructions our troops are already concentrated in Sinai on our eastern border. For the sake of the complete security of all UN troops…I request that you issue your orders to withdraw all troops immediately." Presdient Nasser's demand to UN to remove its buffer troops. By this time Egypt had added a further 30,000 troops to the 30-35 thousand permanently stationed on the peninsula, plus 200 tanks, and it was continuing to pour in more troops all the time. [9] May, 1968

"The existence of Israel has continued too long. We welcome the Israeli aggression. We welcome the battle we have long awaited. The peak hour has come. The battle has come in which we shall destroy Israel." - Cairo Radio, May 1967

“All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into total war which will put an end to Israel” - Cairo Radio May 1967

 “ The (P.L.O.) will keep sending commandos” into Israel "to kill the Zionists where we find them." - NY Times May 1967

The Zionist barrack in Palestine is about to collapse and be destroyed. Every one of the hundred million Arabs has been living for the past nineteen years on one hope – to live to see the day Israel is liquidated…There is no life, no peace nor hope for the gangs of Zionism to remain in the occupied land. As of today, there no longer exists an international emergency force to protect Israel….The sole method we shall apply against Israel is a total war which will result in the extermination of Zionist existence”. - Cairo Radio’s Voice of the Arabs broadcast May 1967

Egypt has decided to terminate the presence of the United Nations Emergency Force from the territory of the United Arab Republic and Gaza Strip. Therefore I request that the necessary steps be taken for the withdrawal of the Force as soon as possible.” 

 

Israel's Prime Minister Levi Eshkol sent a message to France’s President de Gaulle assuring him that he could count on Israel not to initiate hostilities“...until or unless (Egyptian forces) close the Straits of Tiran to free navigation by Israel” [4]

Eshkol also advised the leading maritime powers: “Israel would stop at nothing to cancel the blockade. It is essential that President Nasser should not have any illusions.” May 19 1967

Egypt's response: President Nasser announced: “The Israeli flag shall not go through the Gulf of Aqaba. Our sovereignty over the entrance to the Gulf cannot be disputed”. May 21, 1967

“Our forces are now entirely ready not only to repulse any aggression, but to initiate the act ourselves, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland of Palestine. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united. I believe that the time has come to begin a battle of anihilation.”- Syria’s Defence Minister Hafez Assad (later to be Syria’s President). May 20  1967

"We want a full scale, popular war of liberation… to destroy the Zionist enemy" - Syrian president Dr. Nureddin al-Attasi speech to troops [6]

"Israel today proposed a mutual reduction in troop concentrations in the Middle East, while its Arab neighbours laid plans to strengthen still further their forces round her borders…" - The Times [26 May 1967]

 

to open the Straits.”

 

“The British radio and television, which I turned on briefly before retiring, were full of sympathy for Israel, but they had a distinctly funereal air.” - Abba Eban noted in his diary, on returning to his hotel, that evening. [10]

 

 

May 26th 1967

“Taking over Sharm el Sheikh meant confrontation with Israel (and) also meant that we were ready to enter a general war with Israel. The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel” - Gamal Abdel Nasser speech to the General Council of the International Confederation of Arab Trade Unions

- broadcast in Arabic by Cairo Radio’s Voice of the Arabs, Gamal Abdel Nasser, 19.35 GMT, 26th May 1967

 

“The existence of Israel is in itself an aggression…what happened in 1948 was an aggression – an aggression against the Palestinian people. 
…(the crisis had developed because) “Eshkol threatened to march on Damascus, occupy Syria and overthrow the Syrian regime. It was our duty to come to the aid of our Arab brother. It was our duty to ask for the withdrawal of UNEF. When UNEF went, we had to go to the Gulf of Aqaba and restore things to what they were when we were in Aqaba in 1956” 
- Gamel Abdel Nasser at a press conference for several hundred of the World’s press. [9] 
 

“We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948”. - Gamel Abdel Nasser press conference

 

"The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel ... to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not of more declarations." - Gamal Abdel Nasser speech

 

 

“The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear - to wipe Israel off the map” - President Aref of Iraq

“Under the terms of the military agreement signed with Jordan, Jordanian artillery, coordinated with the forces of Egypt and Syria, is in a position to cut Israel in two at Qalqilya, where Israeli territory between the Jordan armistice line and the Mediterranean Sea is only 12 kilometres wide”- Al Akhbar, Cairo's daily newspaper

“Brethren and sons, this is the day of the battle to avenge our martyred brethren who fell in 1948. It is the day to wash away the stigma. We shall, God willing, meet in Tel Aviv and Haifa” - Radio broadcast by Iraqi President Abdel Rahman Aref

- 11.00 GMT June 1st 1967, Baghdad Domestic Service in Arabic , Foreign Broadcast Information Service

“Those who survive will remain in Palestine. I estimate that none of them will survive.” Ahmed Shukairy* (see note below), chairman of PLO in Jordanian Jerusalem, asked in news interview what will happen to the Israelis if there is a war 

 

By this time Egypt had 210,000 troops deployed, with 100,000 of them with 930 tanks ready in the Sinai. They had 30 Tu-16 Russian-made bombers, which were a threat to Israel’s cities. Overall the Egyptian Air Force, by far the largest and the most modern of all the Arab air forces, consisting of about 450 combat aircraft, all Soviet-built and relatively new.

Syria had 63,000 troops and Jordan 55,000 – totalling 328,000 troops ready to fight Israel.

The Arabs had twice the number of tanks compared to Israel (2,330 against 1000) and far more combat aircraft too (682 compared to Israel’s 286); They had 1,845 armoured personnel carriers compared to Israel’s 1,500.

 

A LITTLE CONTEXT:

 Seven to eight Egyptian division, two of them armoured, now deployed in Sinai: 200 tanks opposite Eilat, with the aim of cutting off the Southern Negev. Along Israel's Eastern border: 60,000 Jordanian soldiers and 300 tanks. The Jordanian army placed under Egyptian command units, as well as Iraq forces which had entered its territory. On Israel's Northern border with Syria, 50,000 Syrian soldiers dug in, fortified and protected by concrete and steel. Some 600 Egyptian, Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi planes ready.

War broke out on 5 June when Israel responded to the Egyptian military build-up by launching a surprise attack on Egypt’s air force, destroying most of it on the ground within a matter of hours.

 

ON JUNE 5, Israel implored Jordan to stand down its forces on the West Bnk and Golan. That morning Israel sent a message to Jordan’s leader King Hussein via the US State Department, the UN and the British Foreign Office, saying that, despite the outbreak of war, it would not attack the West Bank if Jordan maintained quiet on that front.

Jordan ignored Israel’s appeal to avoid conflict.

That morning, King Hussein received false information from Egypt denying Egyptian losses and claiming a massive and successful Egyptian attack against Israel. Emboldened by this information, Jordan launched immediate multiple attacks on Israel:-

  • civilian suburbs of Tel-Aviv were shelled by artillery;
  • Israel’s largest military airfield, Ramat David, was shelled;
  • Jordanian warplanes attacked the central Israeli towns of Netanya and Kfar Sava;
  • thousands of mortar shells rained down on West Jerusalem hitting civilian locations indiscriminately, including the Hadassah Hospital and the Mount Zion Church;
  • Israel’s parliament building (the Knesset) and the Prime Minister’s office, each in Israeli-controlled West Jerusalem, were targeted;
  • 20 Israelis died in these attacks; 1000 were wounded. 900 buildings in West Jerusalem were damaged.
  • “Jerusalem is totally engulfed in war…” reported the British Consul-General that morning.
  • All this happened before Israel reacted militarily against Jordan, or moved at all into the West Bank.

Israel’s entry into the West Bank in June 1967 was not part of a premeditated Israeli plan for territorial expansion. Quite the opposite: Israel’s own Defence Minister instructed the army not to fight the Jordanians, or move into the West Bank. That position only changed as a result of Jordan’s disregard for Israeli appeals to avoid hostilities, and by its intensive bombardment of Israeli targets. Israel’s entry into the West Bank was an act of self-defence. Its presence there originates as a result, not of Israeli aggression, but of Jordanian aggression. 

I know, facts are sometimes inconvenient.

 

 

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alany11 LaugherNYC Sun, 06/24/2018 - 17:44 Permalink

Freaking Zionist, you forget to mention that you were a terror organization, Like Isil right now with almost same  ideology different face, Jews has no right in Palestine . The Zionists had been digging since 1947 to find something to prove they ever been there as a nation, Found nothing because you never had a country. You were a trib excley like the badwen, with NO id and NO land except a backward ideology exactly like your friends of ISIL. 

Palestine/Syria  name goes back to over 10000 years , long before your trib ever existed. By the way if God promised you the land why God did not give it to you in the first place. Zionist!!!! What kind God is that anyway?

Like all occupations in medeast  that came and gong, Zionist you will be gone too, no matter how long you occupied Palestine, read the history!!!!  

Freaking Zionists. 

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LaugherNYC alany11 Sun, 06/24/2018 - 19:30 Permalink

In your way of thinking, then, all of this territory rightly belongs to Rome, because its legions occupied and ruled it for centuries.

Or, perhaps, we should return it to the apes, because they were the first hominids to live there.

Many tribes have come and gone everywhere, some lost to history by nature, others by the hand of man. Their claims on any land are ephemeral, defined only by international accords and laws. There is no "Italy" no "Germany" no "Iran" nor "Russia" .. only countries defined and accepted under international law. Those borders shift with time and conflict, but peace is achieved when they are respected and honored.

Israel was a state defined and given to the Jews as a homeland under international law.

If you choose to ignore international law and wish instead to fight an eternal war, that is your choice. But it does not make you right. It makes you a criminal.

Yes, there were Zionist extremists fairly called terrorists, but they were a tiny minority, just as today there are Muslim extremists fairly called terrorists. Do you call for the extermination of all Muslims because some are terrorists? Not all muslim terrorism is linked to hatred of Israel. Most of it is not, rather it is based on one sect's hate for the other.

You spew bile and hate, and condemn yourself to a lifetime of choking on blood.

 

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any_mouse 83_vf_1100_c Sun, 06/24/2018 - 21:18 Permalink

Not the same. It would be as if you and your ancestors were DNA connected back to the people who occupied those land thousands of years ago. Then some DNA unrelated people who converted to a religion that existed in the area a couple thousand years ago, got an international organization to gift them your land. Then they declared that you were a terrorist and an animal because you resisted and would not accept their "right" to your land.

European Jews, a non Semitic group, never lived in the Levant. They are not DNA descendants of the Tribes of Israel.

Really Big Lies are the Best.

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LaugherNYC any_mouse Mon, 06/25/2018 - 09:40 Permalink

See there it is...

The true BIG LIE.

Do you think all Jews have the same DNA? Do all Catholics have the same DNA?

Have you DNA tested all of the Jews in Israel? Do you have ANY IDEA WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

My brother happens to be one of the world's premiere geneticists. What you say has ZERO basis in fact, and is just another of the many anti-Semitic excuses for Joo haters.

Why don't you read Ostrer and Skorecki on the subject, so perhaps you will understand you are just repeating the same BULLSHIT that your fellow JOO-HATERS spread?

I know little things like research and science don't matter much to bigots, racists and skinheads, but there id more than one DNA strand related back to the Levantine Jews.

 

Here is a nice simple article for you to read. Try it out:

https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/palestinians-and-jews-share-…

The fact is Jews and Palestinans share much DNA in common. So, if what you are saying is true, they have no claim either.

So, let's give the land to some paleoliths if we can find em.

 

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LaugherNYC alany11 Mon, 06/25/2018 - 09:44 Permalink

Here, try a little science on a sunny morning:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/

 

And, if you read it and don't understand what the genetic "bottlenecks" they refer to are, they are the times in history that the Jews have been slaughtered, reducing the genetic diversity down to just a few hundred survivors' genes carrying forward.

So, you and your ilk have come close to killing all the Jews a few times. Something I am sure of which you are proud.

Genocidal fucks. You kill your own cousins, because they have a nicer house than you.

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I Am Jack's Ma… LaugherNYC Sun, 06/24/2018 - 17:59 Permalink

it’s clear who you troll for.  We had this exchange before -  Israel started the war and during its effort to grab land it committed war crimes.  It also deliberately tried to sink the USS Liberty in an effort to lie the us into the war.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/understanding-still-matters/

http://mondoweiss.net/2017/06/provoked-fighting-survival/amp/

 

https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

 

https://www.mintpressnews.com/new-evidence-proves-israel-attacked-uss-liberty-orders-kill-294-americans/198757/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/02/infamy-at-sea-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty-50-years-later/

 

‘Israel didn't ask for or recieve any help from anyone,’

another naked lie. The US gave the Jews the targeting info it used to attack Arab forces, who were nowhere mustered for an offensive operation... as Israeli officials admitted, and reported in the links above.

At the time,lest we forget, Israel was 20 years out from declaring an ethnostate and using terror and storm troopers to expel 700k natives.  Gee, the Arabs weren’t sending Purim Cards to Jews born in Poland claiming to be natives?

 

Israel is a cancer.  A parasite.  

 

It lives on blood and shits lies.

 

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LaugherNYC I Am Jack's Ma… Sun, 06/24/2018 - 19:17 Permalink

I love your pathetic excuses.

"Arab forces...who were nowhere mustered for an offensive operation"  quite the howler, Jack. One need look no further than the quotes and public pronouncements of Egyptian leaders, generals, and state radio to know of the 200,000 soldiers massed for attack. One need only read their statements of the delay that allowed the Israelis time to mount their counteroffensive. You can try to revise history, but facts are tenacious.

When your self-professed enemy states his one goal is to soak the sand with your blood, to destroy your people and wipe them from the living, to exterminate your families and friends, and then masses his soldiers, armor and planes, preparing for the invasion, insists the buffer UN troops be removed or die, issues irders to share and coordinate the attacks with a precise invasion plan -- well, I'd say you'd be justified in anticipating an attack. Add to it closing off  passage through the key waterway to choke your supply and trade route -- and you have all you need to know.

Sometimes you post moderately intelligent stuff. But history doesn't change just because you say it does, or some loony conspiracy theories pop up. Are you a Holocaust denier? A 9/11 truther? One of those little dungbeetles who runs around and screams "False Flag!! False Flag!! every time your people commit a war crime, an aggression aimed solely at innocents, a genocide, an assassination? Once in a while, you gotta own what you do.

For example, I felt Israeli responses to attacks have been disproportionate lately, and have openly criticized them for it. I prefer to see civilized people remain so, even in the face of degenerate animals. Your people, however, commit the most unspeakable acts, and then just deny it - the mark of the coward.

 

You offer no facts, no history, nothing but HATRED.

You act as if the history of the Hebrews does not exist simply because you wish it so. You act as if ancient borders and nations have any currency in setting borders and nations today. This is comical.

Should we simply return all of Europe to France because Napoleon once ruled it? Or perhaps all of the middle east to Rome, because its armies once dominated it? Or perhaps vast swaths of Russia and Asia to the Romas because they once claimed it?

Your blind hatred shows you for the bankrupt you are.

If Israel is nothing more than a nation given to the Jews under international law as a homeland at the end of the great wars, it is enough. It is a patrimony based on their ancient civilization, whatever you may pick and choose as your "justification"  and their indisputable claims to territory, but founded in international law, recognized by all nations. If you choose to live outside of international law, then you are an international criminal or terrorist.

If you believe you are entitled to make your own laws, then you must deal with the consequences. 

The Palestinians have been offered their own homeland a dozen times, and always their "brothers" refuse on their behalf, preferring to use Israel as the scapegoat for Arab failure. A homeland recognized under international law, and protected by all nations.

But, no. The bloodthirsty hate-mongers say it must be THAT land, ISRAEL's land. And so you condemn the region to endless blood letting, like the shit-loving mongrel stain on mankind's ass that you are.

Rather than simple peace, you make and repeat endlessly the same mindless refrain: The Zionists run the universe, the Joos own the USA, the Hebrews aren't Hebrews, the Rothschilds run the world...blahblahblah.

In ONE MONTH, peace could reign forever, with just some simple concessions and agreements, but this would expose the pathetic despots and tyrants of the Arab world for what they are. Empty vessels, thieves who subjugate their own people, desperate extremist fascist monsters forever lost in their own foetid swamp of hatred and greed.

Sad, miserable fucks. A billion people, rich in natural resources, with endless potential, wasted, mired in a swamp of corruption and lies generation upon generation, going nowhere, contributing nothing, failing their people and miring the globe in their sewer of hate.

Get a life. Stop blaming a tiny state that wishes only to be left the fuck alone for your problems, and move forward.

Loser.

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LaugherNYC chestergimli Sun, 06/24/2018 - 20:11 Permalink

Of course I have. I have several close friends who were in the USN and serving in the Sixth Fleet at the time of the tragic mistake that was the attack on the Liberty.

It is a travesty to soil the lives of the men who died in that attack, but the fault for it lies in both the fog of war, and in mistakes made by both the Israelis and the USN.

The single greatest error that led to the attack was the final instruction broadcast by the Sixth Command to ships of the Sixth to remain outside of the 100 nautical mile boundary. For some SNAFU the Liberty was not monitoring the command frequency, and did not receive the order. Second was th ebreach of USN protocol by having an Electronic intelligence ship unthinkably unescorted in conflict zone.

Since, there has been a relentless "false flag" conspiracy floated around that this was an attack meant to disable the US' ability to somehow prevent an Israeli attack on the Golan. The absurdity of this actually made my Dad's classmate, the Commander of a Trident sub, laugh out loud when discussing it. The notion that the US military would simply sweep it under the rug is laughable, as is the notion that the US would somehow "stop" the Israeli's from removing the Syrian/Arab forces that were shelling Israel from the heights. Israel had imprecated Jordan not to come into the war, but on June 5, believing that Israel was getting its ass kicked (because Egypt, humiliated, was spreading lies), Jordan figured "why not" and jumped in with a massed attack on the West Bank, with Syria's attack from the Golan. Israel wound up taking both areas from the attacking forces.

The Liberty attack was a disaster for US/Israeli relations at the highest levels, as Israeli pilots realized too late thst the ship had strayed from the body of the Sixth Fleet, and, remarkable and counter to US protocol and strategic rules, had no destroyer escort. That alone would have marked it as a hostile ship. Had the escort been in place, Liberty could only have been a US ship, and the Israeli attackers, had they proceeded, would have had a very, very bad day. They likely would have lost more men and equipment in that one skirmish than in the rest of the theater.

But, go on ahead with your tin hat "anti-Zionist" theories. The Martians pulled off 9/11, having been paid by the Mossad.

 

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lincolnsteffens LaugherNYC Sun, 06/24/2018 - 22:44 Permalink

I almost up voted you until I came to your slurs against the Russians.

An Israeli historian told me today that much of the Palestinian people did not own the property that was sold to emigrating Jews in the late 19th and 20th Centuries. He said the Syrians owned much of Palestine and the Palestinians were renters. The Syrians got rich from the increased price and left the Palestinians to fend for themselves.

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LaugherNYC lincolnsteffens Mon, 06/25/2018 - 12:14 Permalink

What slur against the Russians?

First off, I have no beef with the Russian people, only with their current leadership.

Why are they in Syria? Is it to protect the world from Isis? Or is it to protect their pipelines and plans for dominance in the energy markets?

Putin hides his agenda, which is to use Syrian Army soldiers, Iranians and terrorists to control the pipeline corridors - no matter how many of them doe in the process. His "private contractors" from the Wagner Group carry out military missions to cover their purpose. Meanwhile, he encourages Iranian/Hamas/Hezbollah aggression against Israel as a distraction to his true plans. 

It is Ilyich cynicism at its most virulent.

The Arab nations leave the Palestinians orphaned, the straw men in their tired game of Blame the Joo™ to disguise their systematic rape of their nations.

What justification do the Ayatollahs have for the suffering of their people under Western sanctions? How is it in their interests to be at war with Israel, rather than enjoying open relations and trade with their neighbor? 

This fundamental lie - that the Jews have no history in the region and therefore they have no "claim" over the land Balfour and the civilized world granted them - is just another distraction. Modern Jews have direct links to the tribes of the Levant, their temples and shrines predate Muslim shrines by THOUSANDS of years. Judaism is an ancient religion, whereas Islam is relatively modern, the Prophet a sixth century man who rose to prominence amid the rich and ancient heritages of the many disparate tribes. Shall we kick all the Muslims out of the ME, since their religion came around some 3500-4000 years after the Hebrews? Whatever the semantic (pun intended) dance, those are the facts.

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brianshell tmosley Sun, 06/24/2018 - 15:52 Permalink

George has connected most of this to the pipelines. Now that Qatar has been sidelined and Israel has found a new pipe route west, maybe the push to breakup Syria isn't so strong.

Also, I read Russia asked Iran to pull their troops out of Syria. Russia, unlike the US, has been invited by Assad to operate within their borders.

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bshirley1968 bh2 Sun, 06/24/2018 - 18:03 Permalink

Mosley is delusional.

Without the military force and dollar hegemony, we have no economic leverage.....it's more like "economic average".

The delusion goes for you as well....thinking Trump can pull some magical "rabbit out of a hat". There is no painless fix, and only delusional people in strong denial could think there is. 'Round here, we call'em Trumptards.

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any_mouse bshirley1968 Sun, 06/24/2018 - 21:28 Permalink

Collapse of the Petrodollar concurrent with the planned destruction of American Productivity and American Society.

America has been sacked while the troops were out propping up opium trade, the Petrodollar, and Israel.

As long as the same super wealthy families own and manage America, there will not be a recovery for the middle class or any reformation in government and society.

The illness has not yet run its course.

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lincolnsteffens tmosley Sun, 06/24/2018 - 23:00 Permalink

No, Jewish culture is striving to be regarded as equal. The drive to succeed and rise to the top economically is driven by the myth they will be accepted by the larger societies by proving they are just as good as the Harvard crowd. It stems from centuries of Jews being a closed separate culture and persecuted because they refused to assimilate into their host societies. This history produced a culture of Jews with feelings of inadequacy and resentment. Now that many Jews have tried to shed their ancient appearance and succeeded too well in rising to the top, the old resentment of the host countries is rising again. It is a conflict of two historical cultures not being able to forget history.

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Rabbitnexus tmosley Mon, 06/25/2018 - 23:58 Permalink

Your theory has not got any support as yet. Only a fool would make any such assumptions based on this tame and actually not unexpected news.  The USA has no intention of getting into a serious fight with anybody when they lack control of the airspace and their warnings always rang hollow. Nothing they can do about this, the victory goes to the bold.

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