Nassim Taleb Slams "These Virtue-Signaling Open-Borders Imbeciles" In 3 Short Tweets

As liberals across America continue to attempt to one-up one another with the volume of virtue they can signal, specifically on the question of 'open borders' - especially since 'jenny from the bronx' victory over the weekend, none other than Nassim Nicholas Taleb unleashed a trite 3-tweet summary of how farcical this argument is...

What intellectuals don't get about MIGRATION is the ethical notion of SYMMETRY:

1) OPEN BORDERS work if and only if the number of pple who want to go from EU/US to Africa/LatinAmer equals Africans/Latin Amer who want to move to EU/US

2) Controlled immigration is based on the symmetry that someone brings in at least as much as he/she gets out. And the ethics of the immigrant is to defend the system as payback, not mess it up.

Uncontrolled immigration has all the attributes of invasions.

3) As a Christian Lebanese, saw the nightmare of uncontrolled immigration of Palestinians which caused the the civil war & as a part-time resident of N. Lebanon, I am seeing the effect of Syrian migration on the place.

So I despise these virtue-signaling open-borders imbeciles.

Silver Rule in #SkinInTheGame

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Chris2 aldousd Mon, 07/02/2018 - 12:27 Permalink

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beemasters Four Star Mon, 07/02/2018 - 14:20 Permalink

"As a Christian Lebanese, saw the nightmare of uncontrolled immigration of Palestinians which caused the the civil war & as a part-time resident of N. Lebanon, I am seeing the effect of Syrian migration on the place"

And he conveniently "forgets" to mention the causes of Palestinian/Syrian refugees cos his income likely depends on him not mentioning it. But then, most people tend to address only symptoms of any problem, often overlooking the cause.

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FringeImaginigs beemasters Mon, 07/02/2018 - 14:43 Permalink

Apparently it is hard to say! Everyone right thinking moral upstanding good happy educated prosperous smug selfsatsified burger should just shout you down by calling you and your type an antisemite - probably bordering on a nazi too, or more properly neonaziscumbag...  Who do you think owned the land 2500 years ago. And who did god choose to own it.

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beemasters FringeImaginigs Mon, 07/02/2018 - 15:00 Permalink

"Who do you think owned the land 2500 years ago"

Do they have land deeds to prove it? If not, they don't own it. If God chooses differently, He should just appear before humanity now and say so. Why make it hard for all??? He can't and He didn't.

If there was a God who would instruct Israel to bulldoze houses, kill innocent people, strip fellow human beings of basic necessities, that'd be a God no one should be a part of/listen to.

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38BWD22 beemasters Mon, 07/02/2018 - 15:55 Permalink


I'd only let in:

1) people with needed skills in short supply here


2) people who spoke at least good English


3) people with a clean criminal record, not a SPECK of Jihadist tendencies...

People with all three of the above.  Very simple.

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"Virtue Signaling" has got to be about the best new meme to describe those hypocrites.  N. N. Taleb truly is a genius.

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risk.averse BrownCoat Tue, 07/03/2018 - 05:16 Permalink

Ever wondered why it’s the second generation that is so militant? Their parents are smart enough (sometimes even grateful enough) to keep their heads down and not stir up trouble. However, in their homes the parents’ insecurity, inability to understand the wider communitys culture, their fear that little Fatima and little Ahmed might be “corrupted” by Western ways (perhaps even marrying a non-muslim...the horror!!). So they work on their kids and brainwash them so they will steer clear of the infidels. This leads often to the kids never fitting in either. They feel alienated and that often leads to hate. Educated muslim parents tend to feel less insecure so ease off on the brainwashing.

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Decoherence 38BWD22 Mon, 07/02/2018 - 20:19 Permalink

4) people with at least $1M USD to invest, like NZ and Australia require.  This essentially guarantees you’re not getting low IQ, non-productive dumbasses into your country - without saying it.  NZ is getting rich Chinese, we’re getting broke dumbasses leeching the system.  All so liberals can usurp power via votes and keep stealing from the producers until they leave.  Just fucking brilliant.  Without fiat money this wouldn’t even be an option.  We already have 15 tons loaded up on a bridge with a 10 ton limit.  All these social programs will just bring the demise sooner, then all the morons we let in will be scrambling to get out.  And with no resources, how will they?  You will be property of the US gov, and life long slave.  

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Lumpen Pro 38BWD22 Mon, 07/02/2018 - 20:29 Permalink

Today’s Refugee Crisis Is Blowback From US Dirty Wars in Central America

USA as a geopolitical entity has and has had its hands in many cookie jars around the world, including in destabilizing it.

Given that, what exactly is 'symmetry' in the current context and is it a little more complicated/complex than what Taleb may be suggesting? Invasion? You mean like on native lands for example, or with regard to corporate colonization?


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BrownCoat 38BWD22 Mon, 07/02/2018 - 21:18 Permalink

I'd only let in: NOBODY !

If an industrialized country cannot produce people with "needed skills" then it is doomed anyway.
Perhaps the schools should educate instead of indoctrinate.

The US is full up. We have enough. We did our "fair share." The poor countries irresponsibly cannot provide services for their own people. That is not the industrialized countries' problem! The poor countries need to find a solution that works for them, not 'pass the trash' to industrialized countries.


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jin187 beemasters Mon, 07/02/2018 - 16:51 Permalink

God made me do it is the world's oldest excuse, and might makes right is the world's oldest reality.  The simple fact is that these former Nazi sympathizers we call "Palestinian" are victims of their grandparents stupidity.  They lost, the Jews won, and nobody wants these fuckers in their country.  Now they can get busy complying, or get busy dying.  Beggars can't be choosers.

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GreatCaesar'sGhost newdoobie Mon, 07/02/2018 - 18:58 Permalink

Is that really your reading of history? I accept that might makes right and that the Israelis control the territory and aren't ever giving it up, but are we really expected to believe that they bought the territory and the Palestinians changed their minds? Come on, let's be honest. They won Palestine because they were supported by the West. That's it. The Palestinians have to make peace based on reality, of course, and reality is that the Israelis have superior military strength.

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AntiLeMaire beemasters Mon, 07/02/2018 - 19:00 Permalink

>> Do they have land deeds to prove it?

Ahum, well actually they do. Most of them are not 2500 years old but date from late 19th and early 20th centuries though.

The land were the Palestinians were living & farming was sold right underneath them to Jews by people, large landowners, in far away places like Damascus and Istanbul...


Not that this mattered very much to the people who sold the land, they just send their armies to take it back. They failed to do so, but that was the plan.

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SillyWabbits FringeImaginigs Mon, 07/02/2018 - 15:02 Permalink

Who’s God?

The one the mostly atheist Jews believe in or the Kazars worship?

If there is a God it would not be Jewish because His mother would not be a Jew.

Of course Jews believe in the word of God and not the God person so much and any Jewish lawyer will tell you contracts are made to be broken.  Mostly by wordsmithing.  So the past is history not current policy.

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Things that go bump FringeImaginigs Mon, 07/02/2018 - 17:37 Permalink

Fairy tales. The Israelites took the land from the previous owners, it's happened all the time in history. The Romans booted the Jews out when they proved too troublesome. The Palestinians had been happily occupying it for a long time when the Jews returned and took it back. Too bad, so sad. In this sort of occurrence might makes right. If the Palestinians aren't strong enough to take it back they needn't come crying to me. It happens all the time. Pretty soon the new immigrants will have Europe and the Latin Americans will have the US.  

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