Debunking The First Piece Of Nonsense In Skripal 2.0

Authored by Rob Slane via,

Elizabeth Gardens in Salisbury is a rather lovely park. Situated next to the river, and overlooking the Water Meadows, it is a wonderful place to take an early morning stroll, and then to walk along the town path, where you get a wonderful view of the towering 13th Century gothic cathedral from the very spot where Constable painted his famous Salisbury Cathedral from the Meadows.

Yet, like the centre of the City, it is now apparently a place synonymous with poisoning. According to latest reports, it is apparently the place at which Dawn Sturgess and Charlie Rowley became poisoned on Friday 29th June. This from The Mail:

“Police are hunting for the deadly syringe or vial laced with Novichok that poisoned a couple in Salisbury as they finally evacuated homes five days after they fell catastrophically ill. Dawn Sturgess, 44, and her boyfriend Charles Rowley, 45, became critically ill within hours of visiting Salisbury on Saturday – the site of the murder attempt on Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia. The authorities are still searching for the container carrying the nerve agent, which could kill anyone who found it, and the homeless shelter where Dawn lived in Salisbury and Charlie’s home in Amesbury have now been screened-off and residents evacuated.

A security source told the Evening Standard: ‘It could have been picked up by anyone, including a child. There’s no doubt it will be contaminated still’, adding the poison could be deadly ‘for decades’ if kept dry.

Salisbury Hospital chief executive Cara Charles-Barks has revealed the victims remain in a critical condition in intensive care and are ‘acutely unwell’ but added that nobody else has been poisoned.

One friend of the couple, who were known to be drug users, believes they may have found a syringe believing it contained heroin rather than the deadly poison used by assassins Britain claims were sent by Russia.

‘It was definitely an accident. I think they found a package and it looked like drugs’, she said.

Dawn and Charlie collapsed after a visit to the Queen Elizabeth Gardens on Friday, an area not searched or decontaminated after the Skripals were poisoned in March, raising serious questions about the quality of the clear-up operation four months ago.”

Okay, so this one is pretty easy to debunk, and I think I can save the media the trouble of going on about this for days on end, only to have to shift their explanation away from the vial/syringe in Queen Elizabeth Gardens to another door handle perhaps, or a car, cemetery, restaurant, bench, or even porridge.

The article points your attention to the apparent expert, who is able to assure us that the substance A-234, which prior to March 2018 was reckoned to be highly volatile, is able to survive in a syringe/vial for donkeys' years. Here’s my advice: Don’t pay any attention to what he’s saying! Why? Because it’s a complete and utter red-herring, which – either wittingly or unwittingly – turns your attention away from a rather obvious reason why this is complete nonsense. And what is that?

It is this: Queen Elizabeth Gardens is nowhere near Christie Miller Road. Even if you had accepted the Government narrative that the Skripals were poisoned by a military grade nerve agent (of a type 5-8 times more toxic than VX), which was poured (or now presumably squirted from the syringe) onto the door handle of Mr Skripal’s front door, by professional assassins not wearing HazMats – all of which requires much cognitive dissonance – what are you now being asked to believe? That the professional unHazMatted Russian assassins, after leaving Chez Skripal, decided not to leg it to Heathrow or Gatwick pronto, but to drive to Elizabeth Gardens.

As I say, it’s a beautiful park, and one which I would encourage people to visit, although you may find that quite tricky just at the moment. But here’s the thing:

How likely do you suppose it to be that the alleged professional Russian hitmen, after undertaking their dangerous and potentially deadly assignment, decided to drive from Christie Miller Road to Elizabeth Gardens, which is out of the way, and certainly not the way you’d drive if you wanted to get to an airport quickly, where they parked their car, got out and then went for a walk to drop their deadly (but non-lethal) Novichok-laced syringe in the gardens, where it lay undetected for four months.

I’d put the chances of that at zero, and not a smidgen more.

But that’s apparently what we’re being asked to believe. Until of course they change the narrative tomorrow.


Looney NoDebt Fri, 07/06/2018 - 09:41 Permalink


So, the two junkies find a syringe, pick it up, go home hoping to get high, prepare to shoot up, but... faint instead.

Meanwhile, the menacing Russian Syringe, walks out of the room looking for a place where it can be found by an innocent child.

Did I get it right, Theresa?  ;-)


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Dickweed Wang JimmyJones Fri, 07/06/2018 - 11:51 Permalink

Just another example of the establishment in the UK using something mundane, like two junkies getting a poisonous load, to stir shit up with Russia. Isn't it a little too convenient that this happens a week before Trump and Putin are to meet?  A meeting that has the British freaked out??

People in the US better start realizing that the "Queen's men" in the UK are not now, and never have been, friends of the people of the USA.  They've caused more problems for the general population there over the last 100+ years than Russia, China and Iran combined . . . including dragging the US into two world wars. 

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Hans-Zandvliet Dickweed Wang Fri, 07/06/2018 - 13:36 Permalink

Very good point: a week before Putin and Trump meet!

And here's another point: the supposed assasins, without any protection, drive in a car with a still dripping syringe for (how long?), say, half an hour... (With all windows open, I suppose... ;-)

I wonder how they could even manage to get that far without crashing their car in a ditch and dying from this supposedly 'military grade' poison gas 5 times mor lethal than VX.


And here's another point: those junkies, on finding the syringe four months later, inject this 'super deadly' nerve agent straight into their vains and are ONLY "critically ill"???

How ibecile do they think we are, to believe such crap!!!

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JohninMK Free This Fri, 07/06/2018 - 10:00 Permalink

It seems the woman is not a junkie, she is an alcoholic. Pity that doesn't fit the story either. Neither does the guy having just bought a house costing £400k+ .

Also she is homeless and could be regarded perhaps as the guy's occasional 'bed buddy'.

Good stuff again on this from Craig Murry, the UK Governments thorn in the side ex Ambassador at

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land_of_the_few JohninMK Fri, 07/06/2018 - 11:18 Permalink

Also why would he need to grab a syringe in a park if he drinks little plastic beakers of methadone at the chemists ...the whole point of the methadone program is to stop them injecting - they have to drink it in front of the pharmacist.

If he would take a hit of some "heroin" just after the methadone he would possibly overdose, most likely he knows that and would avoid doing it for that reason.

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smacker Reality_checkers Fri, 07/06/2018 - 12:29 Permalink

"Why is it so hard to believe the Russians poisoned their opponents???"

Because their is no motive and the timing is ludicrous.
I'm pretty sure people around these parts ((do believe)) Stalin's purges/gulags.

Yes, the Crimea was annexed by Russia. But a better way to describe that evenet is that the mostly Russian-speaking people of the Crimea voted overwhelmingly to rejoin Russia. It was their choice. Later on, Putin declined a request from Donbass leaders to annexe East Ukraine.

Please try harder if you wish to support the stream of propaganda spewing out of British authorities :-(

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Vardaman Fri, 07/06/2018 - 09:38 Permalink

You have to like the distorted symmetry: When some bearded guy runs a truck up on the curb while screaming "allahu akbar," the police will immediately say "No motive could be determined."  When people are poisoned and there is no suspect in hand at all, police will immediately say "It's the Russians!"

null Fri, 07/06/2018 - 09:40 Permalink

Once we get past the Fact that UK intelligence has zero credibility since at least 2015, we still cannot infer anything from the clumsiness. There could be multiple layers of obfuscation and even an actual “Russian asset” (albeit retired) involved.

Why do you assume that there are not several Crissy Steele type of MI Whores running around trying to implicate anyone just to take the heat away from their Pimps?

smacker darkpool2 Fri, 07/06/2018 - 12:55 Permalink

Yeah that's beginning to be my take too.

The whole story about the Skripals and the 2nd couple (apparently known drug takers) being the same two in the video (delivering illegal drugs to the Skripals produced at Porton Down) all fits together except for one thing: it assumes the Skripals being into drugs themselves and I find that a tad difficult to believe at this point. OTOH I have little idea of how widesread drug-taking is across society.

But it certainly explains why Theresa May & Co want to create a huge distraction over these two incidents to steer attention away from Porton Down being involved in illegal drug production.

We need feedback from someone at Porton Down to know if there's any unusual activity going on there, like huge investigations by the police forensics etc.

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lew1024 Bastiat Fri, 07/06/2018 - 10:27 Permalink

One of the initial reports said "foaming at the mouth", not a hot shot symptom I think.

Otoh, I haven't seen that from a medical source. Skripal's medical team said nobody had been treated for nerve agent poisoning at the hospital tha day.

And, initial reports are often from the perps, not genuine bystanders, so I discount those in incidents with any suspicious aspects. This one has tons already.

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herbivore Fri, 07/06/2018 - 09:49 Permalink

"One friend of the couple, who were known to be drug users, believes they may have found a syringe believing it contained heroin rather than the deadly poison used by assassins Britain claims were sent by Russia."

Of course, finding a syringe, in a park, filled with what you believe to be heroin...I mean, who wouldn't inject themselves with it? Seems perfectly normal to me.