Growing Echo Chambers and Proliferating Propaganda Lead to Fears of a Second American Civil War

Growing Echo Chambers and Proliferating Propaganda Lead to Fears of a Second American Civil War

Written by Nathan McDonald, Sprott Money News

Brother turning on brother, sister on sister. A second American civil war? How could this even be possible in our modern, civilized times?

The answer is all around you. Tensions run high and hatred spews from the mouths of pundits in the MSM, both from the radical left and the far right. Neither are willing to give an inch, for fear of losing a mile. Neither are willing to back down.

This tension has resulted in a boiling pot of politics within America, one that at any moment could spill over and upturn the entire system.

Don't think this is possible? Well, don't count it out.

Roughly 1/3rd of Americans, or 31%, believe that a second American Civil War is not only possible, but likely to occur within the next five years!

This news comes off the back of a recent poll conducted by the Rasmussen Report, a highly respected source and one of the few that closely predicted the presidential victory of Donald Trump.

Most of those conducted within this survey believe the violence will be sparked by opposition to President Trump’s policies, which have been either deemed highly controversial or something to be rejoiced, depending on which side of the political spectrum you fall under.

Yet, there is still some hope for those who reside in the center, with 59% of respondents stating they believe a Civil War is unlikely.

Sadly for those people, as we saw in the first American Civil War, it only takes a small percentage of the population to get the ball rolling.

Stoking these fears was the recent clash in Portland between a right-wing prayer group and ANTIFA, which made national headlines due to video footage that showed just how bloody and ruthless these political gatherings can turn.

Unfortunately, this isn't the first of these events, as over the past year there have been many similar clashes. People are choosing sides and donning their uniforms.

What is most shocking is how organized some of these groups are becoming, coordinating through the use of social media and travelling vast distances to partake in the battle.

This is not good, and it should not be embraced.

A second American Civil War would be gruesome, bloody and vicious. The first American Civil War claimed roughly 10% of the Northern male population and approximately 30% of the Southern male population.

With modern weapons and no even "lines" in the sand to be drawn, the second, if it began, would result in a stunning death toll that could collapse the American system as we know it.

This would result in both a financial and humanitarian crisis.

I blame the MSM and social media echo chambers, in large part, for this isolation of beliefs and proliferation of fearful propaganda. They have become nothing more than click-bait propaganda outlets, caring little for the ramifications of their actions.

Fortunately, I believe sanity will be restored and people will come to their senses. Sadly, I also believe we still have some turmoil, hardship and suffering yet to come.

Until then, keep your head on your shoulders and your thoughts your own. Question everything, and as always, do your own research. The truth is out there. 

Comments

fulliautomatix Sat, 07/07/2018 - 08:26 Permalink

Frankly, you're too divided to go to war in discrete geographical blocs. If your army splits everyone, everywhere, is in the shit. It looks like it'll be a growing squabble of the squalid on our way to a global dystopia. Or not.

I Am Jack's Ma… fulliautomatix Sat, 07/07/2018 - 12:20 Permalink

 

The Left has set in motion events that cannot be reversed. The Left’s lack of control is pushing the Overton Window in the direction of the Alt Right. Every time Antifa attacks some guy who only wants to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and say a prayer in a public park there are many Normies who begin to make the journey to the Alt Right. Every time a politician of the Left makes an anti-White utterance the beliefs of the Alt Right are normalized a thousand-fold. And every time the Left makes excuses for the bad behavior of aspiring rappers, third-world miscreants, and European-style socialists, the closer we get to having the 14 Words enshrined as the First Amendment of a New Bill of Rights.

https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/07/events-have-been-set-in-motion/

 

 

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SmallerGovNow2 doctor10 Sun, 07/08/2018 - 06:16 Permalink

There is NO "far right".  WTF are you talking about "far right".  Someone please define it because it DOES NOT EXIST.  Are you calling freedom caucus representatives "far right"?  Because belief in the constitution, individual freedom, and limited government has shit all to do with "far right".  The entire "right" consists primarily of a bunch of establishment neocons that do not resemble the true/old definition of a conservative...

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inosent I Am Jack's Ma… Sat, 07/07/2018 - 13:12 Permalink

This is doom porn, right? I think we are all too soft to actually fight a war. And the (((media))) sensationalizes the tiny % of the population to create the illusion something much bigger is happening, when it never is.

The real threat is an existential one. The conditions are ripe for an opportunistic foreign power to take over the nation ... o, wait a second, the (((luciferian))) already did that

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chubbar I Am Jack's Ma… Sat, 07/07/2018 - 21:56 Permalink

I don't think the left has a prayer of getting a civil war going, they don't have the support. Maybe 20% at most, even the most diehard dems are seeing what is going on with those idiots. The PC culture, identity politics and the continuous attacks on anyone daring to voice an opinion slightly different than the crazies is what is going to sink their ship. No civil war, just a bunch of asshole starting to experience more and more frequent beatdowns by people sick of their shit. #walkaway

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swmnguy Sat, 07/07/2018 - 11:16 Permalink

Oh, bullshit.  Yes, there is a concerted effort afoot to convince the American people that our representative republic has failed and we need to install an autocrat, but very few people are actually buying into it.  They're loud and they like to talk tough, but there's no impetus toward a civil war outside of internet chat rooms.

We did not see in the American Civil War that it only took a few people to "get the ball rolling."  We saw the opposite.  One part of the nation was rural, agrarian, and dependent on slave labor, while the other was more urban, mercantilist, industrialized, and had recognized that in a new age of Capital, the costs of labor ownership could be very profitably outsourced onto the laborers themselves. 

There's no such division today, and what divisions there are are not regional in distribution.  Those looking to benefit from divisions keep grasping at straws to find and magnify them, with poor results.  Under a microscope, the divisions look large, but with any perspective, they're negligible.  We have an internal power struggle between branches of the Oligarchy.  That's all.  The Oligarchs themselves are nearly identical to outside observation.  One group of the extremely wealthy is grappling with another group of the extremely wealthy; one looking to preserve the status quo as long as possible to extract wealth over the long term, with the other looking to preserve the status quo in crippled form to extract wealth as quickly as possible.

Who would fight this "Civil War 2.0" so yearned for by the far-Right?  The far-Right can't even organize a rally without killing somebody or fighting each other.  The Left, to the extent it even exists, disappears as soon as far-Right street fighters go home.  There's no coherent ideology on either side.  Temporary ad-hoc coalitions of Identity groups with conflicting interests are not finding larger common cause.  There are no leaders looking to do anything but enrich themselves in the short term.

As for the rhetoric one reads in the media, it's formulaic, rote, and coming from the identical basis.  There are no fundamental disagreements, just bickering over details.  "Liberals" think the current system would become "nice" and "fair" somehow if people were just more informed.  "Conservatives" want to eliminate restrictions on wealth and the use of wealth to facilitate power, but want to keep the cover of legitimacy conferred by the current system.  Neither acknowledge that the problem America faces is the system itself, and that the similarities among all Americans far outweigh the differences.  Indeed, to prevent people from realizing this is the main shared objective of both Liberals and Conservatives, as both are completely invested in the continuation of a collapsed system.

Check back in 20 years and maybe there will be the seeds of physical conflict.  Maybe.  By then, however, events will have continued to progress, and it's quite possible the mass of Americans will have realized that the solution to their problems involves the rejection of both Liberals and Conservatives.

Until then, nonsense like this article are visible as being the penny-ante internet pot-stirring they are.

 

RozKo swmnguy Sat, 07/07/2018 - 11:48 Permalink

Ok then.., no civil war, just an economic collapse of the system (which at this point is mathematically certain) and eruption of massive civil unrest based on the acquisition of resources. Starving people will resort to all forms of violence to feed their children. Doesn't matter how or why it starts but it will end in a race war because thats what most this ideological subversion is based on coming from the MSM. 

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Handful of Dust Pausebreak Sat, 07/07/2018 - 14:49 Permalink

I seem not to see much "hate" from the "Far Right. In fact, i don't come across much "Far Right" stuff. Most of what people call Far Right is actually the Center in most cases. Anything the democrats and lefties don't like is knee-jerk called The Far Right, racist, sexist, etc.

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jin187 Handful of Dust Sat, 07/07/2018 - 17:13 Permalink

Most of what the liberals call the far-right are just a different type of leftist.  They want the same autocratic, unaccountable, oppressive government the liberals want.  The only difference is the scapegoats and strawmen they use.  They're both the worst versions of humanity.  We shouldn't view these clashes between the far-right, and far-left as anything but an opportunity to setup a killzone.  Soon as anyone sees something black in any of their hands, the cops yell "gungungun!" and start hosing down the crowd with M249's.  It'd be doing a service to both society, and the gene pool.

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El Vaquero RozKo Sat, 07/07/2018 - 15:34 Permalink

The hard left is soft and beyond retarded.  People are going to leave it in droves for a multitude of reasons.  The antifa types are going to repeatedly get their asses kicked when they show up to fight because they forgot two of Alinsky's rules for radicals:  Don't go outside your area of expertise and make your opponent go outside of his whenever possible.  Raw physical violence is outside their area of expertise and inside ours.  This will make the fair weather antifa types leave, and the hardcore ones, should they decide to continue, will rely on tactics like IEDs and assassinations.  And it will be ineffective.

 

To push things beyond that kind of scenario, you're right, the collapse of the system would have to happen, and the system is increasingly unstable without the necessary things to soften the crash up a bit.  So, some sort of mass civil unrest probably will happen, but still, the hard left is made up of mostly pussies and will either get wrecked or be somebody's bitch if the veneer of civilization slips.  How do you think a couple of guys with battle rifles are would act when a mob of black clad screaming petulant children come at them when there is no rule of law?  They'd likely shoot the boys and ugly chicks and make what survives into a couple of harems for themselves.  

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quesnay swmnguy Sat, 07/07/2018 - 12:01 Permalink

I agree with you that civil war is unlikely, but your depiction of the "desire for civil war" as a creation of the "far right" is ludicrous.

This 'battle' started with the left's "resist" movement almost the second after Trump was voted in [actually it could be argued it started with BLM many months before]. It started with antifa arbitrarily defining "anyone not on the left" a fascist as 'justification' for 'first-strike' violence. "Punch a nazi" meme started by the left almost immediately after Trump was elected. It started with antifa blocking speakers and groups from discussing ideas they didn't like, specifically the Berkeley protest on Febuary 1, 2017, where anitifa rioted over Milo Yiannopoulos speaking, and went from there for many other university speaking events.

The 'far right' didn't get their hands dirty until Charlottsville in August 2017, six months after the anitifa's "reign of violence".

So don't try to paint this as a creation of the "far right". Even now the far right is tiny and insignificant, almost always outnumbered at least 2 to 1 in these 'battles'. They make legal applications for a talk or march (as is their right) which is then violently opposed like clockwork by antifa. There is no harm in letting a literally tiny group of idiots speak and march and to ignore them, but antifa can not let this pass and their automatic violent response builds support and empathy for otherwise harmless fringe groups that responds only in defense.

So now, a year and a half after letting the antifa children have their way, yes it's true there is a desire to respond in kind and "put them in their place" by the far-right, and now also the "less than far right", but it took an incredible amount of abuse (and lack of response by authorities) before this happened.

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Pickleton swmnguy Sat, 07/07/2018 - 12:24 Permalink

Yeah sorry stupid, but you're whining about the right's reaction to the imbecile left's LONG HISTORY of rabidity and violence.  Where TF have you been.  Leftards have been agitating with violence for political upheaval since I became an adult and started to understand it.  ALL of this was brought to you by the left.

 

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Cloud9.5 swmnguy Sat, 07/07/2018 - 15:15 Permalink

You are mistaken.  There is a stark division in the country and it is clearly discernable when you look at election maps on a county by county basis.  The divide is urban verses rural.  New York has more in common with London, Berlin and Paris than it has with the counties that surround it.  Cities are dominated by armies of civil servants, legions of dependents and tax slaves.  The tax slaves are voting with their feet and moving themselves and their money to no tax or low tax regions.  The cities are untenable.  Their option is to scale back their armies of civil servants and cut back their handouts to their dependents or raise taxes.  The universal reaction is to raise taxes and try to incorporate more areas.  That simply hastens the exit of productive citizens.

Because the mega cities have such huge populations, they can almost by themselves elect a president.

The Associated Press asserts that Clinton won 487 counties nationwide, compared to 2,626 counties won by Trump.  Two thousand, six hundred and twenty six counties were disenfranchised by a mere four hundred and eighty seven counties almost all of which are concentrated in the blue archipelago that makes up our mega cities. https://www.factcheck.org/2016/12/clinton-counties/

All of the mega cities have embraced cultural Marxism.   Minorities are concentrated in these urban centers. These minorities stand for open borders and the ethnic cleansing of whites.  The civil war begins when a coalition of these minorities capture the political system and attempt a systematic disarmament of the 2,626 counties that make up fly over country.

 

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HRH of Aquitaine 2.0 Cloud9.5 Sat, 07/07/2018 - 17:19 Permalink

I agree. This is based on cities versus rural areas. The thing is, the cities will end up in a siege position which is not good considering they don't have stockpiles and depend on JIT delivery.

Matt Bracken wrote about this in several essays, CW2 and When The Music Stops and American Cities Explode in Violence.

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/bracken-the-cw2-c…

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-…

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HRH of Aquitaine 2.0 LibertarianMenace Sat, 07/07/2018 - 19:50 Permalink

It's good to know I am not the only one that is thinking this way. What is amazing to me is how dumbed down much of the population has become. I have six months worth of provisions in my garage. Not exactly what I want to eat, every day, but it is enough to keep me from starving. I am guessing that puts me in the top 3% of the US population.

It is shockingly easy to manipulate people with lies and propaganda. I don't believe anything, or very little. Being a skeptic has held me in good stead. This has taken longer than I thought to kick off. I started prepping after Hurricane Katrina. There is no fucking way I want to wait for a government handout or help. No thanks.

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TruthWhetherYo… swmnguy Sat, 07/07/2018 - 16:20 Permalink

I agree with your statements about the first Civil War.   However, you are quite smug in your predictions.  I am fortunate in that I am very educated, have a middle class income, and feel fairly secure, although I'm not "wealthy."   You underestimate the ideological divide that exists in this country.   I believe there is approximately a 50/50 probability of another civil war.  Not the small likelihood that you tout.   I do not wish it.   But I also know about Black Swan events, too.    

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Bwana Sat, 07/07/2018 - 11:34 Permalink

You must smoke a lot of crack. You don't see the "Right or Conservatives" demonstrating, rioting and attacking pedestrians while wearing black masks.

BetterRalph Sat, 07/07/2018 - 11:56 Permalink

The Mexico President Elect saying he gonna flood the borders is an ACT OF WAR.  Between this and California Leaders is where there's going to be trouble

VWAndy Sat, 07/07/2018 - 13:13 Permalink

 They go after the moderates first. The extremists on both sides need each other like that ying and yang thing.

 Antifa vs Proud boys. Gets all the spazables pumped up. They treid it with that nazi party thing. That didnt fly.

 This walk away thing is a very good thing to see. The left is already breaking up into less controllable/feral groups. These people can be reasoned with. 

 Its the feral on both the left and right that are being used by tptb. Mindless dogmatic zombies basically. When we point and laugh at the zombies they get weaker. Look at that stunt Maxine tried. Its was funny, we all laughed, and it went nowhere!

 So here are some zingers to tame the feral with laughter.

  Did ya turn on the Bat signal?

  Dont be such a spaz!

  What about the corruption of your team?

  You learned that watching the tv didnt ya?

  If we coulda voted for none of the above? He woulda won!

 Do you do math or maff?

 Im anti corruption my friend. So I didnt vote for either of um.

  Who bought that pizza?

chrbur Sat, 07/07/2018 - 13:15 Permalink

It is the Democrats and the left who are going insane. How dare you suggest that both sides are to blame. It is you Bolsheviks that are screaming and assaulting anyone who does not agree with you. The "far-right" ?...no such thing....you losers think anyone who voted for Trump has white sheets and Nazi uniforms in their closet.....you nut jobs on the "left of reality" are the ones who cannot accept the results of elections....you twilight zone zombies just want common sense gun control but you all have no common sense to negotiate with. You hide behind your dumb animal ANTIFA street thugs because you can not articulate a rational philosophy......and now you all run around screaming "civil war...civil war"....do as we say or we will have a civil war....Have you no shame ?.....

snblitz Sat, 07/07/2018 - 13:25 Permalink

Yeah, its the right that is

  • banning christian organizations
  • shouting down conservative speakers
  • forcing christians to bake gay themed cakes
  • wearing black garb and face masks while attacking prayer vigils and speaking events
  • beating people with bike locks and batons

Does Mr. McDonald even live in the US?

I do.  I was in San Jose, CA when the antifa thugs attacked the people leaving the Trump rally held there.  I watched antifa attack Milo at Berkeley.

I have watched other things too.  Things that do not make the national news.  There is a terror organization in SF called 'critical mass'.  Youtube has taken down all the videos exposing the truth behind the organization, so now you only get the propaganda view.  On the other hand, if you have been there, have seen them in action, you know the truth.

There are many such "underground" organizations growing in strength every day. 

My guess is that Mr. McDonald gets his news filtered through facebook, twitter, and CNN.

 

peterZ Sat, 07/07/2018 - 13:33 Permalink

You can't be that dumb. follow the $$, that is how both sides are organized, the left is better funded and organized but the right is learning and will be better prepared when violence starts.

the sides cannot agree, one wants to keep the status quo the other to destroy.

 

Wake up