Carter Page FISA Application Exposes Flimsy Underpinnings Of FBI "Witch Hunt"

The Saturday release of the FBI's heavily redacted FISA warrant application for Carter Page reveals that the Obama administration, eager to make a case to spy on a US citizen (and arguably the Trump campaign) cobbled together a combination of facts and innuendo from Page's business dealings in Russia, several press reports of varying reliability, and of course, the infamous Clinton-funded "Steele Dossier," which the FBI went to great lengths to justify despite being largely unable to verify its claims.

Perhaps the most concerning takeaway, however, is the stark disconnect between the FBI's multiple allegations against Page versus the fact that he hasn't been charged with a single crime after nearly two years of DOJ/FBI investigations.

Once issued, the FISA warrant and its subsequent renewals allowed the Obama administration to better spy on the Trump campaign using a wide investigatory net. As such, the October, 2016 application painted Page in the most criminal light possible, as intended, in order to convince the FISA judge to grant the warrant. It flat out accuses Page of being a Russian spy who was recruited by the Kremlin, which sought to "undermine and influence the outcome of the 2016 U.S. presidential election in violation of U.S. criminal law," the application reads.

In order to reinforce their argument, the FBI presented various claims from the dossier as facts, such as "The FBI learned that Page met with at least two Russian officials" - when in fact that was simply another unverified claim from the dossier.

Another approach used to beef up the FISA application's curb appeal was circular evidence, via the inclusion of a letter from Democratic Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (NV) to former FBI Director James Comey, citing information Reid got from John Brennan, which was in turn from the Clinton-funded dossier

In fact, aside from the Clinton-funded Steele dossier ("Source #1"), the FISA application cited no other evidentiary sources.

The application also reveals that FBI agent Peter Strzok lied when he said he had nothing to do with the FISA application, when in fact the disgraced FBI agent used Carter Page's September 2016 letter to Comey defending himself against a Yahoo! News article written by Michael Isikoff (who used information obtained directly from Steele) as a pretext to open the investigation on Page.

Meanwhile, the FBI tried to downplay Steele feeding Isikoff information for his article, falsely claiming in the FISA application that Steele did not "directly provide" information to the reporter, when in fact he did. 

“Obviously the information that I got from Christopher Steele was information the FBI already had,” Isikoff said in a February podcast

The FBI also went to extreme lengths to convince the FISA judge that Steele ("Source #1"), was reliable when they could not verify the unsubstantiated claims in his dossier - while also having to explain why they still trusted his information after having terminated Steele's contract over inappropriate disclosures he made to the media.

"Not withstanding Source1's reason for conducting the research into Candidate1's ties to Russia, based on Source1's previous reporting history with the FBI, whereby Source1 provided reliable information to the FBI, the FBI believes Source 1s reporting herein to be credible

The warrant application also confirms a February report that the FBI received a copy of the dossier from the Obama State Department, after Steele provided it to senior DoS official Jonathan Winer. Winer was also approached by Clinton confidant Sydney Blumenthal with a separate anti-Trump dossier written by longtime Clinton pal Cody Shearer.

So two separate Clinton-originated dossiers went from Steele and Blumenthal to the State Department, which then gave it to the FBI. Of course, the agency also had a copy it received in early August, 2016 directly from Steele himself, and we also now know that there were multiple versions of the document which went through various conduits before reaching the FBI.

Curiously, the FBI spotlighted the dossier provided by the State Department, ostensibly to enhance its credibility. 

The FBI's use of flimsy and uncorroborated evidence to support spying on Page, combined with the fact that a 3-month extension was granted despite the fact that it was obvious by June, 2017 he wasn't a Russian agent, will most certainly embolden those, like President Trump, who have called the entire Russia investigation a "witch hunt." 

Finally, on Sunday morning, president Trump responded with a series of tweets, including both his own thoughts, and quotes of others, stating that it is "looking more & more like the Trump Campaign for President was illegally being spied upon (surveillance) for the political gain of Crooked Hillary Clinton and the DNC. Ask her how that worked out - she did better with Crazy Bernie. Republicans must get tough now. An illegal Scam!"


IridiumRebel Sun, 07/22/2018 - 09:37 Permalink

Fuck these people. 

Everyone needs to admit that the Obama admin spying was highly illegal and someone should go to jail for high crimes against the election process. 

This is ridiculous.

Cognitive Dissonance erkme73 Sun, 07/22/2018 - 09:42 Permalink

It amazes me the FBI felt they actually needed to convince the FISA judge to issue the warrant. Exactly how many FISA warrant applications have been rejected over the years?

Exactly 0.00000001 it seems. The FISA 'court' and 'judges' are simply rubber stamp chess pieces. I suspect the actual submitted document is CYA in action for all parties involved.

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CuttingEdge Free This Sun, 07/22/2018 - 10:17 Permalink

Sorry to dispel a myth, but the FBI did not pull the wool over the eyes of unknowing honest FISA judges with this bag of shite. And the fact that it reads like a bag of shite may leave you wondering whether FISA judges are only appointed upon diagnosis of Parkinsons, dementia or senility.


Strzok was mates with one of them.

They are just as fucking culpable and enablng as every other insidious cunt involved in this affair.

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Billy the Poet Cassandra.Hermes Sun, 07/22/2018 - 10:58 Permalink

Try to stick with the facts.  it was Hillary who paid for Kremlin help in the election.


From the DNC's Steele dossier:

"sources A and B, a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure and a former top level Russian intelligence officer still active inside the Kremlin"

"Source C, a senior Russian financial official"

"Source G, a senior Kremlin official"



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SWRichmond powow Sun, 07/22/2018 - 11:53 Permalink

The FBI knowingly manufactured evidence and then used that evidence in a secret court.

Do you all understand? 

That same FBI conducted midnight raids on an attorney and seized his records because of the contents of that manufactured evidence.

Do you all understand where this goes?  Hell, it doesn't GO there, we're already there.

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Stan522 SWRichmond Sun, 07/22/2018 - 12:58 Permalink

No matter what slow drip incriminating evidence is released, the the devilcRAT's will not stop the spewing of their narrative. That will lead to the feet of obama if they did. No matter what is proven by any FOIA information, the Lib mainstream media will not stop their constant drumbeat of Russia, Russia, Russia.... That will lead to the culpability of hillary and her minions.

Even if Trump declassifies the whole mess both the dems and the media would only focus on the fact that Trump released classified information and when Fox News, ZH and other conservative media lays out the truth for all to see the Libs will simply scream partisan witch hunt designed to take the focus of collusion.


There's probably just enough Lib sycophants in existence to believe them and we end up nowhere with this.....

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glenlloyd Socratic Dog Sun, 07/22/2018 - 15:01 Permalink

And aside from the fact that this is all coming out now, this is a huge vindication for people who for years have believed that

1) the agency was nothing but a rotten crooked mess with zero integrity.

2) should be totally wiped out and reconstituted.

3) That everything that Trump has said so far, as much as the left has called it all outrageous, has proven now to be true.

If I were the FISA judge/ FBI / DOJ I would be worried about the extent of the blow back from this, from the President and from the populace who for years were duped into believing this crap.

Now, can we get out with cleaning out this cesspool of shit!!!!!!

Furthermore, this calls into question EVERY FISA warrant that has ever been issued, ever. When this type of thing gets uncovered in law enforcement they have to go back and reexamine every case to make sure that the tainted party didn't influence the results in an illegal manner.

I don't see how this doesn't seriously impact the FBI for decades. And I would think that there are people there even today that might be packing up their least I would hope so.

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lew1024 Stan522 Sun, 07/22/2018 - 16:31 Permalink

Was it not Susan Rice, one of the people who signed that FISA request, who sent that strange 'for my files, copied to the team', covering her ass wrt any 'not by the book' investigations and wrt sharing security info with the incoming team, Flynn being her counterpart she would need to share with?

Yes, it was. More details. Redactors are not omniscient, really tough to hide things when you aren't.…

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Totally_Disill… SWRichmond Sun, 07/22/2018 - 13:53 Permalink

This "secret" FISA court is a total sham.  Why are the judges not held accountable in this as well?  They renewed FOUR times surveillance WITHOUT new much less vetted evidence.  Why do we have "secret" anything in this country?  I say Federal law enforcement must do what every other state law enforcement must do...gather evidence and present to a judge - not in secret.

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FreedomWriter Totally_Disill… Sun, 07/22/2018 - 16:14 Permalink

Judges can be removed from office for malfeasance and corruption. Making the judges flip would be a good legal strategy and a valuable lesson for any future would-be tyrants. But after that, the ring-leaders will need to be consumed by the flames. The corrupt agencies and secret policemen need to be disbanded or rendered completely powerless before being disbanded. Americans need to become so angry they will never vote UniParty or let this happen again. That will be extremely painful. I hope the Republic can handle it.

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seek Cassandra.Hermes Sun, 07/22/2018 - 12:57 Permalink

Since 6/1, the totals on your account's voting are +77 and -830.

You make a pretty easy to spot troll with scores like that.

Yet you keep posting for some mysterious (/s) reason.

Tell your ShareBlue masters they're going to need a lot more accounts activated, and they're still not going to be able to change the truth. I hope you're getting paid in cash. I sure as hell wouldn't want a paper trail when this bullshit gets broken wide open.

This warrant justifies nothing. In fact, it's probably the turning point that collapses the entire fraud of this investigation and no amount of paid-for spin is going to change that.

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j0nx carni Sun, 07/22/2018 - 10:45 Permalink

Yeah I agree that trump is spending too much time playing the victim when he has all the power to end this charade and shine a light on these criminals. This leads me to believe that he is either complicit or is biding his time to move on them with maximum effect, possibly right close to the election. Jeff Sessions being this complicit in this den of vipers also is a tragedy. It’s mind boggling at this point why that guy still has a job unless he’s playing 4d chess at the behest of trump. 

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Billy the Poet j0nx Sun, 07/22/2018 - 11:01 Permalink

trump is spending too much time playing the victim when he has all the power to end this charade and shine a light on these criminals. This leads me to believe that he is either complicit


If presidents holds such power over the Deep State then why didn't JFK simply order those who conspired against him to stand down? Should we assume that since he didn't do so he was complicit in his own assassination?

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Socratic Dog Billy the Poet Sun, 07/22/2018 - 13:51 Permalink

I doubt JFK knew.  Trump must know.  It's all over the Hedge, non entities like you and I know.  How can he not?  

Although, most Americans seem to be still in the dark.  If he truly doesn't read anything, like most, he could be ignorant of the depth of the conspiracy.

If he doesn't know, it's on him.  If he doesn't do anything about it, it's on him.  If Sessions is truly as worthless as he seems to be, and Trump keeps him on, that's on him. If he doesn't gut our 17 intelligence agencies for attempting a(nother) coup, that's on him.

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GIVJetMech Socratic Dog Sun, 07/22/2018 - 15:49 Permalink

I agree but the problem is, the left has already convinced the general public that President Trump is always just a step away from creating a “constitutional crisis” by firing someone.  Even though I feel he would be entirely justified if he DID fire Mueller, Sessions, Rosenstein and others - if he did, he’d be crucified in the court of public opinion.  He truly is between a rock and a hard place.  The liberal left has done their job well.  

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lew1024 Socratic Dog Sun, 07/22/2018 - 16:47 Permalink

Until more Americans are acquainted with all of this evidence, and understand that the frames of all of the stories they get from legacy media are propaganda, Trump's position is in danger, he could still be impeached, given the correct evidence.

The Deep Black Swamp has been trying damn hard to do that, and their power in the government and congress has not been curtailed in the slightest. His impeachment would be widely supported by elites around the world, his overthrow in a CIA-lead coup nearly as much.

His unfortunate death in an airplane crash, a lone gunman, a lone bomber, ... would be so sad, but so good for the country and the world, in the minds of those elites.  The editorials would say how close we came to dictatorship, to losing our democracy.

Not my words, editorials we have all read, hoping for some version of those.

Trump is allowing Congress to be frustrated as an education to the American people.  It keeps the spotlight on the Deep Black State. It converts legacy media to a liability, completely untrusted by an ever-larger proportion of voters.

Sessions, I think dirty as hell, but firing him would be another molehill the DBS would transform into mountain ranges of criticism and implied guilt.  This is working, more and more people catch on every day.

At least it works up to 6 November, 2018. After that, if no serious prosecutions and investigations, Trump has a big problem with his own base, and many R's will not be in Congress because voter turnout was real light in Trump's camp.

4 months. We will know then whether Trump's grasp of the situation, his understanding of winning political scripts, was up to the situation.

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FreedomWriter Billy the Poet Sun, 07/22/2018 - 16:23 Permalink

JFK made powerful enemies and the American voter did not have as much information at his disposal. If they had known as much as we know now, history could have been very different. JFK's assassination was the final brick that fully cemented the deep state into place. Now it will truly have to be broken into a million pieces (not just a thousand) but broken it will be. Once the population realises the extent of the brazen corruption and lawlessness and what it has cost them, I doubt there will be a single safe hiding space for these criminals. Stay strong. Their day will come.

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Peter41 carni Sun, 07/22/2018 - 11:17 Permalink

Good point, and this step has been discussed in the internet media (but not too much in the cable news world except on Fox).  Here is my input: Trump will weigh what is in all of them (he can look at them all, unreacted), decide which ones can be released with or without some redactions to protect "sources and methods," and then de-classify them, and release them in a timeframe to do the most damage to the Dems in the upcoming November mid-terms.


In the meantime, the oversight committees in Congress are getting some information out there (heavily redacted by the DOJ and the FBI and soon also by the CIA if not already by it and the other security services). So, Trump's timing is going to be releasing what he can when he chooses to do so, for maximum effect and damage to the Dems, who deserve all of the opprobrium and exposure that they are getting and will get.

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Socratic Dog Peter41 Sun, 07/22/2018 - 13:59 Permalink

Yeah, I can see why "sources and methods" need to be protected.  You know, like checking what Yahoo has to say, reading over a known bullshit report funded by the political opposition, making up a few juicy titbits, then lying under oath to a judge to try and get an innocent man put away for life.  Yes, our 17 intelligence agencies certainly have some excellent sources and methods.

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Theosebes Goodfellow Free This Sun, 07/22/2018 - 10:30 Permalink

Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Ohr, Priestap, Brennan, Page and a whole slough of others have damaged the image and credibility of our leading investigative agencies. These people need to be charged, tried, and if found guilty by a court of law, sent to jail under the harshest of punishments.

The agencies in question need to be vetted for any others who have displayed political bias and turned out on their ears. This action cannot be limited to just the FBI, CIA and the NSA. The IRS has shown to be a cesspool of corruption, as well as the State Department. We need to reduce the size of the federal government. What a better place to start than with the leftist-Marxist cronyism embedded there?

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snblitz Theosebes Goodfellow Sun, 07/22/2018 - 12:49 Permalink

damaged the image and credibility of our leading investigative agencies

The "investigative agencies" have always been corrupt.  All the positive TV programming and media coverage is propaganda.

Trump should simply fire them all and leave the agencies empty husks.

All government tends to corruption. The least corrupt government is the smallest government.

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DeadFred Free This Sun, 07/22/2018 - 10:46 Permalink

The president should declassify and release all this stuff. What's behind those redactions? Why can't we see the dates these things were signed? Maybe because of comments in the Page/Strzok texts? What possible reason exists for redacting a day but not the month?

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