Moon-Strzok No More, Lisa Page Spills The Beans

Authored by Ray McGovern via,

The meaning of a crucial text message between two FBI officials appears to have been finally explained, and it’s not good news for the Russia-gate faithful...

Former FBI attorney Lisa Page has reportedly told a joint committee of the House of Representatives that when FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok texted her on May 19, 2017 saying there was “no big there there,” he meant there was no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

It was clearly a bad-luck day for Strzok, when on Friday the 13th this month Page gave her explanation of the text to the House Judiciary and Oversight/Government Reform Committees and in effect threw her lover, Strzok, under the bus.

Strzok’s apparent admission to Page about there being “no big there there” was reported on Friday by John Solomon in the Opinion section of The Hill based on multiple sources who he said were present during Page’s closed door interview.

Strzok’s text did not come out of the blue. For the previous ten months he and his FBI subordinates had been trying every-which-way to ferret out some “there” — preferably a big “there” — but had failed miserably. If Solomon’s sources are accurate, it is appearing more and more likely that there was nothing left for them to do but to make it up out of whole cloth, with the baton then passed to special counsel Robert Mueller.

The “no there there” text came just two days after former FBI Director James Comey succeeded in getting his friend Mueller appointed to investigate the alleged collusion that Strzok was all but certain wasn’t there. 

Strzok during his public testimony earlier this month.

Robert Parry, the late founder and editor of Consortium News whom Solomon described to me last year as his model for journalistic courage and professionalism, was already able to discern as early as March 2017 the outlines of what is now Deep State-gate, and, typically, was the first to dare report on its implications. 

Parry’s article, written two and a half months before Strzok texted the self-incriminating comment to Page on there being “no big there there,” is a case study in professional journalism. His very first sentence entirely anticipated Strzok’s text: “The hysteria over ‘Russia-gate’ continues to grow … but at its core there may be no there there.”(Emphasis added.) 

As for “witch-hunts,” Bob and others at, who didn’t succumb to the virulent HWHW (Hillary Would Have Won) virus, and refused to slurp the Kool-Aid offered at the deep Deep State trough, have come close to being burned at the stake — virtually. Typically, Bob stuck to his guns: he ran an organ (now vestigial in most Establishment publications) that sifted through and digested actual evidence and expelled drivel out the other end.

Those of us following the example set by Bob Parry are still taking a lot of incoming fire — including from folks on formerly serious — even progressive — websites. Nor do we expect a cease-fire now, even with Page’s statement (about which, ten days after her interview, the Establishment media keep a timorous silence). Far too much is at stake.

As Mark Twain put it, “It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” And, as we have seen over the past couple of years, that goes in spades for “Russia-gate.” For many of us who have looked into it objectively and written about it dispassionately, we are aware, that on this issue, we are looked upon as being in sync with President Donald Trump.

Blind hatred for the man seems to thwart any acknowledgment that he could ever be right about something—anything. This brings considerable awkwardness. Chalk it up to the price of pursuing the truth, no matter what bedfellows you end up with.

Courage at The Hill 

Page: Coughs up the meaning of ‘there.’

Solomon’s article merits a careful read, in toto. Here are the most germane paragraphs:

“It turns out that what Strzok and Lisa Page were really doing that day [May 19, 2017] was debating whether they should stay with the FBI and try to rise through the ranks to the level of an assistant director (AD) or join Mueller’s special counsel team. [Page has since left the FBI.] 

“‘Who gives a f*ck, one more AD [Assistant Director] like [redacted] or whoever?’” Strzok wrote, weighing the merits of promotion, before apparently suggesting what would be a more attractive role: ‘An investigation leading to impeachment?’ …

“A few minutes later Strzok texted his own handicap of the Russia evidence: ‘You and I both know the odds are nothing. If I thought it was likely, I’d be there no question. I hesitate in part because of my gut sense and concern there’s no big there there.’

“So the FBI agents who helped drive the Russia collusion narrative — as well as Rosenstein’s decision to appoint Mueller — apparently knew all along that the evidence was going to lead to ‘nothing’ and, yet, they proceeded because they thought there was still a possibility of impeachment.”

Solomon adds: “How concerned you are by this conduct is almost certainly affected by your love or hatred for Trump. But put yourself for a second in the hot seat of an investigation by the same FBI cast of characters: You are under investigation for a crime the agents don’t think occurred, but the investigation still advances because the desired outcome is to get you fired from your job. Is that an FBI you can live with?”

The Timing

As noted, Strzok’s text was written two days after Mueller was appointed on May 17, 2017. The day before, on May 16,The New York Times published a story that Comey leaked to it through an intermediary that was expressly designed (as Comey admitted in Congressional testimony three weeks later) to lead to the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Hmmmmm.

Had Strzok forgotten to tell his boss that after ten months of his best investigative efforts — legal and other—he could find no “there there”?

Comey’s leak, by the way, was about alleged pressure from Trump on Comey to go easy on Gen. Michael Flynn for lying at an impromptu interrogation led by — you guessed it — the ubiquitous, indispensable Peter Strzok.

In any event, the operation worked like a charm — at least at first. And — absent revelation of the Strzok-Page texts — it might well have continued to succeed. After Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein named Mueller, one of Comey’s best buddies, to be special counsel, Mueller, in turn, picked Strzok to lead the Russia-gate team, until the summer, when the Department of Justice Inspector General was given the Strzok-Page texts and refused to sit on them.

A Timeline

Here’s a timeline, which might be helpful:


May 16: Comey leak to NY Times to get a special counsel appointed

May 17: Special counsel appointed — namely, Robert Mueller.

May 19: Strzok confides to girlfriend Page, “No big there there.”

July: Mueller appoints Strzok lead FBI Agent on collusion investigation.

August: Mueller removes Strzok after learning of his anti-Trump texts to Page.

Dec. 12: DOJ IG releases some, but by no means all, relevant Strzok-Page texts to Congress and the media, which firstreports on Strzok’s removal in August.


June 14: DOJ IG Report Published.

June 15; Strzok escorted out of FBI Headquarters.

June 21: Attorney General Jeff Sessions announces Strzok has lost his security clearances.

July 12: Strzok testifies to House committees. Solomon reports he refused to answer question about the “there there” text.

July 13: Lisa Page interviewed by same committees. Answers the question.

Earlier: Bob Parry in Action

Journalist Robert Parry

On December 12, 2017, as soon as first news broke of the Strzok-Page texts, Bob Parry and I compared notes by phone. We agreed that this was quite big and that, clearly, Russia-gate had begun to morph into something like FBI-gate. It was rare for Bob to call me before he wrote; in retrospect, it seemed to have been merely a sanity check.

The piece Bob posted early the following morning was typical Bob. Many of those who click on the link will be surprised that, last December, he already had pieced together most of the story. Sadly, it turned out to be Bob’s last substantive piece before he fell seriously ill. Earlier last year he had successfully shot downother Russia-gate-related canards on which he found Establishment media sorely lacking — “Facebook-gate,” for example.

Remarkably, it has taken another half-year for Congress and the media to address — haltingly — the significance of Deep State-gate — however easy it has become to dissect the plot, and identify the main plotters. With Bob having prepared the way with his Dec.13 article, I followed up a few weeks later with “The FBI Hand Behind Russia-gate,” in the process winning no friends among those still suffering from the highly resistant HWHW virus.


Parry also deserves credit for his recognition and appreciation of the unique expertise and analytical integrity among Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) and giving us a secure, well respected home at Consortium News.

It is almost exactly a year since Bob took a whole lot of flak for publishing what quickly became VIPS’ most controversial, and at the same time perhaps most important, Memorandum For the President; namely, “Intelligence Veterans Challenge ‘Russia Hack’ Evidence.”

Critics have landed no serious blows on the key judgments of that Memorandum, which rely largely on the type of forensic evidence that Comey failed to ensure was done by his FBI because the Bureau never seized the DNC server. Still more forensic evidence has become available over recent months soon to be revealed on Consortium News, confirming our conclusions.


oDumbo GeezerGeek Tue, 07/24/2018 - 23:08 Permalink

This piece of shit needs to hang.  But first, let's pull him like a string that unravels the entire hot mess that is the oDumbo era. 

Odumbo clearly knew everything (and I mean everything) that the CIA, FBI, DOJ, NSA and judges were doing to illegally stop Trump from becoming president.  Pull on these putrid skags until we can clearly identify oDumbo in the center of the beast.

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Bastiat Luc X. Ifer Tue, 07/24/2018 - 23:51 Permalink

Told you folks Page would roll -- she lost everything: career, marriage, self respect, sense of honor.  Sucked into the DC power game, she thought she was sleeping with James Bond, turned out to be PeeWee Herman.

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glenlloyd powow Wed, 07/25/2018 - 00:53 Permalink

And of course we needed a special council to do nothing but waste tax payer money and actually ruin people's lives.

We all knew there was nothing there from the beginning, I hope that these low level peons start ratting out the higher ups who knew that all this was nothing but an empty witch hunt. It really doesn't matter, we already know who they are and it basically runs up the ladder to Obama.

If there aren't any prosecutions for any of this then there will be a new defense strategy to employ besides the Hillary email server defense.

There better fuckin be some prosecutions on this one dammit

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Occams_Razor_Trader Oldguy05 Wed, 07/25/2018 - 07:31 Permalink

Someone nudge me when 1) anyone of the players in this drama are put in handcuffs (the list is long)  2) Turn themselves in to authorities or 3) a trial date is set.

No wonder they are pushing the Cohen tapes hard- as if that makes a difference with the shit storm brewing. Apparently Clapper has a hint of morality, throwing Obama out there as the head of the snake!

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Walking Turtle powow Wed, 07/25/2018 - 10:39 Permalink

Must have been one HOT doc...  Google does not recognize its own URL shortener's product today.  So:

Re-post with a different URL shortener...?  Maybe best go with in future.  The original, STILL in Old School hands and still the best by far.  All others are come-lately weaponized imitations until proved otherwise imvho. 

Reality:  People Like Us ARE THE TARGET.  Just because it's "quiet" does NOT mean it is not a WAR!  See WEAPONS for QUIET WARS.pdf  (DOWNLOAD AND ARCHIVE TO SHARE SHARE SHARE!)  for details.

As to All Things Google:  "Sue-and-Screw" is emerging as the Best Approach to dealing with the whole lot of 'em.  BOYCOTT NOW!  And that is all. 0{:-|o[

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MozartIII hedgeless_horseman Tue, 07/24/2018 - 23:26 Permalink

Good Night Hedgeless,



At some time a Margret Thatcher quote will come in to play: The buisness/common people will just rise up and shoot the corrupt politicians/law makers when they get out of hand. That will reign them back!


Or just sink all of them, the lose of DC lawyers alone would be worth it!

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glenlloyd oDumbo Wed, 07/25/2018 - 01:03 Permalink

Clapper admitted on TV that this was handled by the WH in toto, those should be the first subpoenas sent out for Obummer and his cronies in the oval office plus let's get Hillary and Debbie W-S from the DNC in there to add a couple more.

Where the hell is that server? Let's get the server and the company who did the forensic exam on it in for a committee hearing again and put them under oath.

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MoreFreedom oDumbo Wed, 07/25/2018 - 12:48 Permalink

Pull on these putrid skags until we can clearly identify oDumbo in the center of the beast.

That is exactly what is happening with Clapper recently pointing to Obama as behind the whole thing:…

The conspirators are getting desperate, and turning on each other, just as Page turned on Strzok. 


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Space_Cowboy W270 Tue, 07/24/2018 - 23:50 Permalink

Well I hate to say it but those string pullers did a hell of a job with California (Illuminati playground) being the stage ground for open border policy, which helped to launch a diaspora of "modern" liberalism across the more conservative states.  I truly think it was no accident that the inflows of illegals including criminals, real estate bubbles driven by ever increasing tech companies, opening the doors wide open to Chinese investors just so most of them can hide their capital from the CCP, and so on drove thousands upon thousands of leftist Californians out of their breeding grounds and into places like Idaho, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas (for sure), and more.

Not all Californians who migrated out are leftist of course, but the vast majority that are, who complained about the very system they voted in and supported, had allowed foreigners to take their wealth and land, basically rolled over without a fight and setup shop in a leftist enclaves like Austin, TX.  Then they spread out from there voting in more Democrats and spreading like a cancer from California. Of course, when you take a step back, you realize they're spreading the globalist initiative masking as "liberalism", which is nothing like classical liberalism.  

It seems to me this is a textbook play out of the globalists' book to bring America to it's knees:

  • Outsource America's physical economy with NAFTA mainly to China, and give N. Korea nuclear tech (Clinton)
  • Outsource technical work to India,
  • Then waste Trillions of USD taxpayer money with foreign wars and black budgets, and China picks up the lucrative mineral and oil contracts in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries after the US did the dirty work, hmmm.... (Bush)
  • Bail out the Banksters and give them bonuses because Americans will be cool with the Black Democrat president doing it, but not a White Republican one; hence, Bush passing "the agenda" over to Obama
  • Fool the next generation into going into vast amounts of student debt and come out with low job prospects brainwashing them to become socialists
  • Force Western companies to hand over technology to the Chinese, or even better just let the Chinese "inspect" factory processes so they will invest and literally buy the technology
  • Allow the Chinese to "hack" Clinton's private server that had Special Access Program classified data (Jesus Christ....)
  • Split the US against each other - "A house divided shall not stand." 
  • Non-stop controlled media brainwashing propaganda campaign (Cocaine Import Agency Mockingbird Media), and MKUltra Mind Control over Hollywood celebrities and musicians entangled with the Illuminati (symbolism everywhere)
  • Numerous false flags starting with 9/11, various school shootings, Boston Bombing, and the Vegas coverup, which helped to divide the country further on gun ownership rights
  • During the "partially-controlled" Hurricanes that hit Florida and Texas last year (costing Billions in USD and ruining American's lives), the Rothschild Trust quietly pulled most of not all of their investments out of USD and put it into the Euro
  • Have a bullshit witch hunt on Trump, ran by Mueller who was FBI Director during 9/11 for Bush Jr, and connected to Uranium One scandal
  • Last but not least, thousands up thousands of missing children taken for Luciferian pedo rings; and it's no shock that Mueller is trying to get immunity for the Podesta brothers, wow.

We could keep going but I'm sure you guys are well aware, and get the idea. 

At this point, it seems we've had a sudden shift and the US military got tired of the banksters shenanigans and chose country over empire; and decided to back Trump.  Now Trump and Putin have teamed up representing the two most powerful countries by military force that would be the Banksters worst nightmare, since both countries have similar roots in Christianity culturally speaking, and more.  I think China was playing both sides but might have come to the realization that the Cabalists are not people you want to stay in bed with, lest you want to be betrayed at some point, but it's tough to say.

Indeed, this decade and the next will be the period that sets the overall tone for Geo-politics for the 21st century.

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Space_Cowboy snblitz Wed, 07/25/2018 - 11:15 Permalink

Exactly, it becomes all the more apparent when you look back at history and see how hard they have tried to keep the US and Russia at odds with each other; hence the former and current "Russia" boogeyman propaganda. 

Yet, it seems this might be coming to a head, and I do think we are in for some interesting times if Trump and Putin are able to pull off a US-Russia alliance of some sort.

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Bendromeda Strain Law666 Wed, 07/25/2018 - 08:48 Permalink

I'll disagree. There is no way the riggers wanted Trump. Bush could have thrown Ohio with the help of SoS Ken Blackwell, but the Donald had no such allies in office. Everything else has always been tilted towards the Donks starting with Motor Voter, and natch progressing towards Online Democracy © as immortalized in the not yet filmed Death of a Nation.

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bobsmith5 Dancing Disraeli Wed, 07/25/2018 - 12:21 Permalink

You cannot get to a republic unless first you have the democratic process of voting.  So yes, we are a democratic constitutional republic.  Democracy from the Greek simply means the people rule.  The only way they can exert the power of ruling is through the democratic process of voting.  The constitution is supposed to limit the potential of a majority voting away the natural rights of the minority and thereby end up destroying the democratic republic they created.

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Walking Turtle PiratePiggy Wed, 07/25/2018 - 11:06 Permalink

Yours Truly does.  Based on its Constitutional mandate in all such cases, swift+humane efficacy when Done Right and its inherent BLOODLESSNESS, again when done by the long-established Drop Chart.

Reality, believe it or not:  The spilling of blood only feeds the demonic entities on the Next Level.  (Yes these creatures are real.  And I sure wish it weren't so but it is what is is.) Ditto terror.  Luciferian Blood Ritual maximizes both in the foul honoring of the Fallen One worshiped therein.  Electrical roasting-from-the-inside really is no better, physiologically speaking, imvh&well-studied_o.

Which is why, as one of a growing number of Public Online Volunteer Hangmen, Yours Truly would speak up for a fair dose of benzodiazapene (anxiolytic par excellence) to be provided the condemned one an hour or so before the Gallows March.  Then a quick hooding (which prevents abrading of the condemned's neck), noosing (bight behind their LEFT ear for proper carotid compression) and IMMEDIATE WELL-CALIBRATED DROP.  Five minutes later, it's over for the recipient.  Half an hour allowed anyway, Just In Case.  (Eat something nourishing.  Smoke something Uplifting.  Pray from the Heart for the new-released Soul.  Might help someone or other.  Then git back to the drop-chamber and finish the job.)

Then comes the washing-off (for there will be pee and poop) and at last, packaging for transport and burial.  Pack the gear, reset the trap, pick up the pay (one troy ounce of fine gold or its cash equivalent, by Brit tradition; ymmv) and go home.

Suggest burial of the traitor's corpse in the FACE DOWN orientation.  Seriously.  And that is all. 0{:-|o[

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bhakta GeezerGeek Wed, 07/25/2018 - 00:03 Permalink

Yes Sir, I want arrests, trial, and death sentences too. It sickens me that these people who have deliberately tried to overthrown the legally elected president are allowed to roam freely and get paid millions writing books and talking on CNN and MSNBC etc. They all should be LOCKED UP and held without bail.


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