"It's Different This Time": Some Very Bad News For The Bulls From Morgan Stanley

By Christopher Metli, Executive Director in Morgan Stanley's Institutional Equity Division

Many investors have said ‘it’s different this time’ about Tech stocks over the last few years, and so far they’ve been right – despite numerous warning signs of Tech, growth, and momentum being crowded, these stocks have continued to go up and dips have meant to be bought.  Looking over the last 5 years, selloffs like that seen over Thurs/Fri last week (-2.8 sigma event) have been a good signal to buy Tech, momo, etc.  But it’s likely different this time.

First off, MS Research lays out the case why Tech and growth are at risk – these stocks have not derated with the broader market and look rich relative to future expected earnings growth

There is also the well discussed crowding in Tech.  The crowding hasn’t mattered so far as there has not been a fundamental catalyst to unhinge it, but recent Tech earnings may well be that catalyst.  You can’t have a >$100bn loss in a well held name and not have collateral damage.  A coarse estimate of the performance of HF longs based on 13F holdings shows the last few weeks have been a ~2 standard deviation loss event, and more actively held Tech stocks vs more passively held Tech stocks suffered a 3 sigma drawdown last week. 

While many times big losses have preceded bouncebacks, note that in Aug 2011, April 2014, Feb 2016 the pain got worse before it got better.  While some derisking has occurred already this summer, there easily could be more to come.

The risk to the broader market of any Tech weakness is high as well.  Tech accounted for 65% of the S&P 500’s gain YTD going into last week (55% now), near the post Tech-bubble highs and an unsustainable pace (Tech’s weight in the S&P 500 is ~26%, also a post Tech bubble high).

And a different measure of breadth – the percent of stocks moving more than the S&P 500  – is near ~14 year lows, indicating an increasingly small proportion of stocks are driving the overall market

If those stocks (Tech) crack, there will be much less support for US equities – note that weak breadth has been a negative signal for both the market and Tech vs the market historically.

The fact that Tech is so large and that Tech represents such a large proportion of the ‘winners’ i.e. the long side of momentum makes contagion from a positioning unwind more likely now than in 2015, 16, or 17.  Tech is a potential market issue because it represents the intersection of so many different investor types, including fundamental HFs, quant HFs (who tend to have a momentum bias), and active mutual funds.

So far the moves over the last few days have driven dispersion to near historical highs (i.e. wide variation in performance across names). 

And overall drawdowns in the space have been mitigated by the fact that gains in parts of Tech have added ~$100bn in market cap to offset $200bn in market cap losses from the decliners this earnings season.  

But the drawdowns in some names mean pain is being felt for at least some funds, and the risk is that investors across the spectrum de-risk more broadly, taking correlations between stocks higher.

Michael Wilson / MS Research suggest rotating portfolios towards defensives and value / away from growth, small caps, and Tech to position for more drawdowns ahead.  From a hedging perspective investors should consider:

  • Shorting the MS growth factor basket, MSZZGRW (long / short portfolio of Russell 3000 names)
  • Shorting the MS momentum factor basket, MSZZMOMO (long / short portfolio of Russell 3000 names)
  • Shorting the MS high HF ownership basket, MSXXHOWN (long only high HF ownership)
  • MS offers optionality on the above baskets for investors looking for more convexity on the trade
  • Buying NDX puts – QQQ Sept 170 puts (25^) for ~1.34%
    • Volatility on Tech is far from low but it still offers good value relative to the risks in the space
  • Buying SPX put spreads – Sept 2775/2676 (35/15^) for ~57bps, 5.25x max risk reward
    • Skew is steep and continued rotations could limit overall market drawdowns (i.e. buy the tail on crowded Tech, buy only a modest drawdown range for the broader market)


adr Mon, 07/30/2018 - 13:21 Permalink

When the most important companies to your economy are two personal information aggregators, an overpriced cell phone company, and a money losing "entertainment" company, the economy is toast.

Apple could go away tomorrow, taking $1 trillion in fake wealth along with it, and nothing outside the pocketbooks of the bag holders would be affected.

Apple means nothing in the grand scheme of things because there are literally thousands of other products that accomplish the same function. So where's the trillion dollar value?


snblitz adr Mon, 07/30/2018 - 14:30 Permalink

Apple is where devil worshipers and haters of Christians have shopped for decades.  It is basically virtue signalling and paying a lot for the privilege.

Go look up Apple's original 1976 ad.

Look also to Apple's exploitation of communist laborers for decades.

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small axe Mon, 07/30/2018 - 13:21 Permalink

Financialization offers so many benefits for our society that it's difficult to name two.

For example:




yep, really hard to name two


fightapathy Mon, 07/30/2018 - 13:33 Permalink

What's killing FB, again? Its not the MASSIVE fraud FB is committing against its sole revenue source, the advertisement buyers? Its not the swarm of spambots FB employs, operating millions of fake accounts that randomly click ads to bring in colossal revenues while delivering farts to the advertisers instead of customers? Huh. What could it be then?

Goldbugger Mon, 07/30/2018 - 13:33 Permalink

It's always different this time, not like the last time. History Rhymes. It Repeats. And people forget about the past and do the same mistakes over and over again. Because not only are they dumb... they are stupid. And they believe lies like good little sheep.