The Origins Of Our Second Civil War

Authored by Victor Davis Hanson via The National Review,

Globalism, the tech boom, illegal immigration, campus radicalism, the new racialism . . . Are they leading us toward an 1861?

How, when, and why has the United States now arrived at the brink of a veritable civil war?

Almost every cultural and social institution — universities, the public schools, the NFL, the Oscars, the Tonys, the Grammys, late-night television, public restaurants, coffee shops, movies, TV, stand-up comedy — has been not just politicized but also weaponized.

Donald Trump’s election was not so much a catalyst for the divide as a manifestation and amplification of the existing schism.

We are now nearing a point comparable to 1860, and perhaps past 1968. Left–Right factionalism is increasingly fueled by geography — always history’s force multiplier of civil strife. Red and blue states ensure that locale magnifies differences that were mostly manageable during the administrations of Ford, Carter, Reagan, the Bushes, and Clinton.

What has caused the United States to split apart so rapidly?

Globalization

Globalization had an unfortunate effect of undermining national unity. It created new iconic billionaires in high tech and finance, and their subsidiaries of coastal elites, while hollowing out the muscular jobs largely in the American interior.

Ideologies and apologies accumulated to justify the new divide. In a reversal of cause and effect, losers, crazies, clingers, American “East Germans,” and deplorables themselves were blamed for driving industries out of their neighborhoods (as if the characters out of Duck Dynasty or Ax Menturned off potential employers). Or, more charitably to the elites, the muscular classes were too racist, xenophobic, or dense to get with the globalist agenda, and deserved the ostracism and isolation they suffered from the new “world is flat” community. London and New York shared far more cultural affinities than did New York and Salt Lake City.

Meanwhile, the naturally progressive, more enlightened, and certainly cooler and hipper transcended their parents’ parochialism and therefore plugged in properly to the global project. And they felt that they were rightly compensated for both their talent and their ideological commitment to building a better post-American, globalized world.

One cultural artifact was that as our techies and financiers became rich, as did those who engaged in electric paper across time and space (lawyers, academics, insurers, investors, bankers, bureaucratic managers), the value of muscularity and the trades was deprecated. That was a strange development. After all, prestige cars, kitchen upgrades, gentrified home remodels, and niche food were never more in demand by the new elite. But who exactly laid the tile, put the engine inside the cars, grew the arugula, or put slate on the new hip roof?

In this same era, a series of global financial shocks, from the dot-com bust to the more radical 2008 near–financial meltdown, reflected a radical ongoing restructuring in American middle-class life, characterized by stagnant net income, family disintegration, and eroding consumer confidence. No longer were youth so ready to marry in their early twenties, buy a home, and raise a family of four or five. Compensatory ideology made the necessary adjustments to explain the economic doldrums and began to characterize what was impossible first as undesirable and later as near toxic. Pajama Boy sipping hot chocolate in his jammies, and the government-subsidized Life of Julia profile, became our new American Gothic.

High Tech

The mass production of cheap consumer goods, most assembled abroad, redefined wealth or, rather, disguised poverty. Suddenly the lower middle classes and the poor had in their palms the telecommunications power of the Pentagon of the 1970s, the computing force of IBM in the 1980s, and the entertainment diversity of the rich of the 1990s. They could purchase big screens for a fraction of what their grandparents paid for black-and-white televisions and with a computer be entertained just as well cocooning in their basement as by going out to a concert, movie, or football game.

But such electronic narcotics did not hide the fact that in terms of economics the lifestyles of their ancestors were eroding. The new normal was two parents at work, none at home; renting as often as buying; an eight-year rather than three-year car loan; fewer grandparents around the corner for babysitting or to assist when ill; and consumer service defined as hearing taped messages of an hour before reaching a helper in India or Vietnam.

High-tech gadgetry and the power to search the Internet did not seem to make Americans own more homes, pay off loans more quickly, or know their neighbors better. If in 1970 a nerd slandered one on the sidewalk and talked trash, he might not do it twice; in 2018, he did it electronically, boldly, and with impunity behind an array of masked social-media identities.

The Campus

Higher education surely helped split the country in two. In the 1980s, the universities embraced two antithetical agendas, both costly and reliant on borrowed money. On the one hand, campuses competed for scarcer students by styling themselves as Club Med–type resorts with costly upscale dorms, tony student-union centers, lavish gyms, and an array of in loco parentis social services. The net effect was to make colleges responsible not so much for education, but more for shielding now-fragile youth from the supposed reactionary forces that would buffet them after graduation.

History became a melodramatic game of finding sinners and saints, rather than shared tragedy. Standards fell to accommodate poorly prepared incoming students.

But if campus materialism was at odds with classroom socialism, few seemed to notice. Instead, the idea grew up that one had no need to follow concretely the consequences of his abstract ideology. Or even worse, one’s hard-left politics — the louder and more strident the better — became a psychological means of squaring the circle of denouncing the West while being affluent and enjoying the material comforts of the good life.

Universities grew not just increasingly left-wing but far more intolerant than they were during the radicalism of the Sixties — but again in an infantile way. Speakers were shouted down to prove social-justice fides. “Studies” courses squeezed out philosophy and Latin. History became a melodramatic game of finding sinners and saints, rather than shared tragedy. Standards fell to accommodate poorly prepared incoming students, on the logic that old norms were arbitrary and discriminatory constructs anyway.

The curriculum now was recalibrated as therapeutic; it no longer aimed to challenge students by demanding wide reading, composition skills, and mastery of the inductive method. The net result was the worst of all possible worlds: An entire generation of students left college with record debt, mostly ignorant of the skills necessary to read, write, and argue effectively, lacking a general body of shared knowledge — and angry. They were often arrogant in their determination to actualize the ideologies of their professors in the real world. A generation ignorant, arrogant, and poor is a prescription for social volatility.

Frustration and failure were inevitable, more so when marriage and home-owning in a stagnant economy were now encumbered by $1 trillion in student loans. New conventional wisdom recalibrated the nuclear family and suburban life as the font of collective unhappiness. The result was the rise of the stereotypical single 28-year-old — furious at an unfair world that did not appreciate his unique sociology or environmental-studies major, stuck in his parents’ basement or garage, working enough at low-paying jobs to pay for entertainments, if his room, board, and car were subsidized by his aging and retired parents.

Illegal Immigration

Immigration was recalibrated hand-in-glove by progressives who wanted a new demographic to vote for leftist politicians and by Chamber of Commerce conservatives who wished an unlimited pool of cheap unskilled labor. The result was waves of illegal, non-diverse immigrants who arrived at precisely the moment when the old melting pot was under cultural assault.

The old black–white dichotomy in the United States was being recalibrated as “diversity,” or in racialist terms as a coalition now loosely and often grossly inexactly framed as non-white versus the (supposedly shrinking) white majority. Compensatory politics redefined illegal immigration once it was clear that not just a few million but perhaps one day 20 million potential new voters would remake the Electoral College. Difference was now no longer a transitory prelude to assimilation but a desirable permanent and separatist tribalism, even as it became harder to define exactly what ethnic and racial difference really was in an increasingly intermarried society. We soon went from the buffoonery of a wannabe Native American Ward Churchill to the psychodrama of an Islamist, anti-Semitic Linda Sarsour.

The Obama Project

We forget especially the role of Barack Obama. He ran as a Biden Democrat renouncing gay marriage, saying, “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage.” Then he “evolved” on the question and created a climate in which to agree with this position could get one fired. He promised to close the border and reduce illegal immigration: “We will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws.” Then he institutionalized the idea that to agree with that now-abandoned agenda was a career-ender.

Obama weaponized the IRS, the FBI, the NSC, the CIA, and the State Department and redefined the deep state as if it were the Congress, but with the ability to make and enforce laws all at once.

Obama vowed to “work across the aisle” and was elected on the impression that he was a “bridge builder” who would heal racial animosity, restore U.S. prestige abroad, and reignite the economy after the September 2008 meltdown. Instead, he weaponized the IRS, the FBI, the NSC, the CIA, and the State Department and redefined the deep state as if it were the Congress, but with the ability to make and enforce laws all at once. “Hope and Change” became “You didn’t build that!”

President Obama, especially in his second term, soon renounced much of what he had run on. He raised taxes, stagnated what would have been a natural recovery, weighed in on hot-button racialized criminal cases, advanced a radical social agenda, and polarized the country along lines of difference.

Again, Obama most unfortunately redefined race as a white-versus-nonwhite binary, in an attempt to build a new coalition of progressives, on the unspoken assumption that the clingers were destined to slow irrelevance and with them their retrograde and obstructionist ideas. In other words, the Left could win most presidential elections of the future, as Obama did, by writing off the interior and hyping identity politics on the two coasts.

The Obama administration hinged on leveraging these sociocultural, political, and economic schisms even further. The split pitted constitutionalism and American exceptionalism and tradition on the one side versus globalist ecumenicalism and citizenry of the world on the other. Of course, older divides — big government, high taxes, redistributionist social-welfare schemes, and mandated equality of result versus limited government, low taxes, free-market individualism, and equality of opportunity — were replayed, but sharpened in these new racial, cultural, and economic landscapes.

What Might Bring the United States Together Again?

A steady 3 to 4 percent growth in annual GDP would trim a lot of cultural rhetoric. Four percent unemployment will make more Americans valuable and give them advantages with employers. Measured, meritocratic, diverse, and legal immigration would help to restore the melting pot.

Reforming the university would help too, mostly by abolishing tenure, requiring an exit competence exam for the BA degree (a sort of reverse, back-end SAT or ACT exam), and ending government-subsidized student loans that promote campus fiscal irresponsibility and a curriculum that ensures future unemployment for too many students.

We need to develop a new racial sense that we are so intermarried and assimilated that cardboard racial cutouts are irrelevant.

Religious and spiritual reawakening is crucial. The masters of the universe of Silicon Valley did not, as promised, bring us new-age tranquility, but rather only greater speed and intensity to do what we always do. Trolling, doxing, and phishing were just new versions of what Jesus warned about in the Sermon on the Mount. Spiritual transcendence is the timeless water of life; technology is simply the delivery pump. We confused the two. That water can be delivered ever more rapidly does not mean it ever changes its essence. High tech has become the great delusion.

Finally, we need to develop a new racial sense that we are so intermarried and assimilated that cardboard racial cutouts are irrelevant. Our new racialism must be seen as a reactionary and dangerous return to 19th-century norm of judging our appearance on the outside as more valuable than who we are on the inside.

Whether we all take a deep breath, and understand our present dangerous trajectory, will determine whether 2019 becomes 1861.

Comments

forexskin Truther Wed, 08/01/2018 - 22:04 Permalink

Finally, we need to develop a new racial sense that we are so intermarried and assimilated that cardboard racial cutouts are irrelevant. Our new racialism must be seen as a reactionary and dangerous return to 19th-century norm of judging our appearance on the outside as more valuable than who we are on the inside.

why is it that anti (((cohesion))) is forbidden, but cohesion among european origin, pro western culture is racism? hmmmm, anybody?

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Free This TeamDepends Wed, 08/01/2018 - 22:16 Permalink

hey, that's my line?

I went to the beach, it's not what is cracked up to be! Too many heroin addicts passed out all over the place! pfffft

I am back bitchezzzz

Let's just say I lied like the mutherfucker that I am, bout leavin'!

We need to clean this place up a bit, fuckin' socialists make me hairy!

These goddam socialists are gonna regret voting my ass, off, I am gonna crawl so far up their asses they are gonna taste me!

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DaiRR Free This Wed, 08/01/2018 - 22:39 Permalink

I hope there won't be another civil war, I pray there won't be another civil war.  Military capabilities today are incredible.  If your neighbor has an Abrams tank in his barn to help defend the neighborhood, ah, he's toast and so are you if military powers will it.  Despite the DemoRats foisting as many snowflakes as possible on our service academies, the military still is conservative and is not going to attack Constitutional Conservatives.  LOL, know how long it would take our military to clean up San Francisco?  No more than 48 hours.

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Rutalkingtome Retired Guy Thu, 08/02/2018 - 04:52 Permalink

A second civil war? That is easy to foresee. When the dollar is no longer the main reserve currency war will start. Why? Because the US will be completely insolvent. Look now even with the dollar the US has millions of poor and homeless, can you imagine how it wll be like when the US has "to pay" for its lunch? China, Russia, Iran, are already ditching away the dollar, what will it happen when more follow? The US spends massivge in a military that is havinge more and more difficult to compete with fex Russia and China with a much smaller budget. Millitary spending is eating the US from inside.

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fleur de lis Retired Guy Thu, 08/02/2018 - 09:17 Permalink

The whole Russian meme was hatched by the Langley, Quantico, MSM, and DoJ screwballs and their .gov allies as a cover story for the defeat of their benefactor Hellish.

Don't fall for it.

Hellish and all her servants took the loss very, very badly and she has all the .gov suits p***y whipped into upsetting the whole country.

They can't refuse her because she has too much dirt on all of them, and if they annoy her beyond what she considers tolerable they will vanish into thin air, and they all know it.

If she can't have the White House nobody else can, either.

So there.

As for the Ruskies, they have enough of their own problems, they don't need ours.

Their psychiatrists must be looking at all of this national psychosis from afar and coining new diagnostic terms while writing books about such wild social phenomena.  

 

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Falcon49 DaiRR Thu, 08/02/2018 - 05:15 Permalink

Dream on...They can have a city under control in 48 hours...but, they have a poor track record on what happens in the months and years to follow.  Military leadership today will follow the orders given them.  The average soldier will do what he is told...with a few exceptions.  Constitutional Conservatives can be demonized as they have in the past.  This is about manipulation and control...If there is an uprising, then it is part of the plan and has a purpose.

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Brazen Heist II Falcon49 Thu, 08/02/2018 - 06:24 Permalink

America has become a degenerate place, the culture is depraved and in decline. This is the sickness at the heart of it.

Take a look at the degenerate trash culture young people listen to, this is pop culture "music" nowadays. 

6ix9ine, Nicki Minaj, Murda Beatz - “FEFE”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_MXGdSBbAI

The degenerate pop culture institutions - Hollywood, record producers, liberal arts matrix, are all cesspools of perverts, degenerate pedophiles and other freakshows. They are hypersexualizing everything. Even the English language itself is being massacred by social media. And don't forget that the worst type of Jews have infested America as well and the vast stock of plantation sheep have been dumbed down by the tools of the Deep State, "popular culture" being one such weaponized tool.

Popular culture is by definition tailored to the lowest common denominator, and it is like a flesh-eating virus towards real values that are meant to glue society together. The satanic elites know this.

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BobEore TeamDepends Wed, 08/01/2018 - 23:12 Permalink

Funny dat!

The posters who are all over every thread that deals with "war," and civil dissolution don't show up for the main event... the numbered clown, the coterie of morons here always shouting "Death to Amerika," - hey! Did you catch the guy writing just yesterday here - "Ill work for anybody who takes America down!" - in yur face bitchez, and you still hit the snooze button every time.

civil war 2.0. It's not that hard to figure out why they are absent - they ARE the cause, not the puffery on display in this typical false trail exercise. St Petersburg (pl) trolls, workin the board on behalf of international finance capital and its Russo-talmudic subsidiaries... 

scions of the same brand of ashkenazis who brought war and mayhem to Russ, and have been busy exporting that style of mass genocide ever since. Raging factionalism and sectarian madness is their cause, their paycheck is padded with the bonus points for turning Americans against each other, now at the point of no return.

And now its your turn - for the ride in the tumbrils. Too dumb or numb to see the enemy in their own midst, any remaining actual Americans on this board appear to be willing to just ride the ship down, stirring only occasionally out of their slumber to slur another 

"Hurrah" for the most blatant efforts of their real enemies to get them to assist in their own suicide. Like they say - you can't fix stupid.

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TruthWhetherYo… forexskin Wed, 08/01/2018 - 22:50 Permalink

"Diversity" is a code word for "fill the space with people of color."     The moment that Blacks are a majority anywhere, they turn the place into a Sh*thole.    Enoch Powell was right.    You can read Raheem Kasam's book, Enoch was Right.

The plan to exterminate Whites, Native Europeans, and Christians has been in place for over 100 years by the EU, the likes of Rothschild and Soros, the atheist Communist Jews and Communist Blacks, and they deceived alot of White people to joining their ranks who have no idea what the ultimate goal was.  By mid 20th century, the muslims joined that coalition.  I call it the EU-Globalist-Rothschild-Soros-Communist Jews-Communist Blacks-Muslims-Negro World Order (NWO) cabal.   Others refer to it as the RED-GREEN-BLACK AXIS which refers to the alliance between communists, muslims, and Blacks.    Some refer to it as the KALERGI PLAN written by the founder of the EU, Kalergi, in his 1924 book, Practical Idealism, who said:  "The man of the future will be a mongrel….The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, outwardly similar to the ancient Egyptian, will replace the diversity of peoples with a variety of personalities...Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearance of space, time, and prejudice.”   Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, founder of the EU.     Israel Cohen, the Communist Jew in the Communist Party, referred to it in the paper that was written, "A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century" written in 1912.

“We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tensions. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment.  With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the Whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.”   Israel Cohen, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912.   Also in the U.S. Congressional Record, Volume 103, p. 8559, June 7, 1957

“The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face, so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists. Make no mistake about it we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as 'the white race' is destroyed.” - Jewish Professor Noel Ignatiev - Harvard Magazine September-October 2002

“It is in the Jewish interest, it is in humanities interest that whites experience a genocide. Until white children are burned alive, white women raped, mutilated, murdered and all white men who have not been slaughtered watch powerlessly as their people are terrorised; only then will mankind be on a more equal footing, ready to discuss white privilege and the apparent chip on the shoulder that minorities have.” - Jew Ishmael Levitts

A quote from Rabbi Rabinovitch in Budapest in 1952: “The goal for which we have striven so concertedly for three thousand years is at last within our reach, and because its fulfillment is so apparent, it behooves us to increase our efforts and our caution tenfold. I can safely promise you that before ten years have passed, our race will take its rightful place in the world, with every Jew a king and every Gentile a slave. We will openly reveal our identity with the races of Asia and Africa. I can state with assurance that the last generation of white children is now being born. Our control Commissions will, in the interest of peace and wiping out our interracial tensions, forbid the whites to mate with white. The white woman must cohabit with members of the dark races, the white men with black women. Thus the white race will disappear, for mixing the dark with white means the end of the white man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark people.”

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Cloud9.5 bunkers Thu, 08/02/2018 - 08:28 Permalink

It is a common misconception when looking at the racial divide to assume that all the brown people are on the same page.  Salvadorians are not Mexicans.  Mexicans are not Cubans.  Cubans are not Puerto Ricans.  Puerto Ricans are not Haitians.  Haitians are not Somalis and the list goes on and on.  Just looking at American born blacks, it becomes readily apparent that they are not a single force to be reckoned with.  Left to their own social norms, they find ample reason to slaughter each other with reckless abandon.  Numbers from Chicago and Baltimore clearly point this out.  Whites are not on the same page either.  You have plenty of left and right coast pseudo intellectuals who point at the imagined low IQ toothless deplorables that support Trump with all the vitriol their closed circle echo chambers can provide them. 

Rich social justice warriors who want the homeless swept from the streets never realize it is their own socialist’s policies that serve as a magnet that pulls this underclass into their city centers.  Individuals like Ann Hathaway who wax eloquently about the injustices of white privilege never seem to find the courage to liquidate their presumably ill-gotten gains and write it all away in a check to the local black college fund.  They are more than willing to capitalize on their personal fame and hold rallies and fund raisers to persuade the like minded less fortunate to write checks out of their relatively meager accounts but their personal donation usually consists of their virtue signaling time in the lime light of the public gathering.

The divide is not between liberal and conservative states.  The divide is between urban and rural counties.  Massive population centers are socialist by nature.  More government becomes the solution to all problems real and imagined.   Ever increasing layers of bureaucrats and civil service employees ravage the local tax base.  Eventually the tax slaves walk off the plantation and all that is left are the service providers and their dependents.  When the productive class goes Galt, the local system goes bust.  

The rural counties supply the food, fuel and water for the mega cities.  The cites capture state governments and then use those state governments to extract the resources from the rural counties.  Therein lays the rub.  That is the dynamic that is pulling us apart.

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Skip forexskin Wed, 08/01/2018 - 23:34 Permalink

Hanson is totally in the pocket of (((THEM))) his parents worshipped (((THEM)))
His brother is married to a Mexican his daughter, last I heard, was engaged to one.
He says SOME good things, yet he keeps PUSHING America as an IDEA rather than a PEOPLE who built it out of nothing.

July 4, 2018 Kevin MacDonald PhD
Thinking about Civil War II

It’s Independence Day! 242nd!

We are a unique people, with a unique destiny.

America is not an idea. It is not a philosophy. It is a nation of men and women, who conquered a land and made it ours.

The generation that gave everything away had no right to do this. It didn’t belong to them. It was given to them for safekeeping, and it was their sacred duty to give it to us, that we may give it to our own progeny.

But it has been given away, and we must now take it back.

And he sure would vote to put the hangman's noose around this retired California Professor, as is Hanson, only Dr MacDonald faced HELL for his book....

Cherchez le Juif: A review of Kevin MacDonald's The Culture of Critique

It is often said that when the old immigration policy was scrapped in 1965, scarcely anyone knew, and no one predicted, that the new law would change the racial makeup of the country. Prof. MacDonald disputes this, arguing that this had been the objective of Jewish groups from the beginning.

You look at virtually EVERY evil in America and the white world and (((THEY))) are the architects of it.

How Charles Lindbergh went OVERNIGHT from Hero to Pariah PDF

Labour’s Gas-Chamber Blues: Pink Berets vs “F***ing Anti-Semites”
July 28, 2018 Tobias Langdon

Jewish Intellectual Activism for Internet Control
July 24, 2018 Andrew Joyce, Ph.D.

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squattingdog Skip Thu, 08/02/2018 - 03:42 Permalink

I wish I could have upvoted your comment twice.

I thought Hanson's other article "How Jack Became Black" was interesting, I notice even when he is trying to belittle ethnicity he still makes a Distinction between all other "Hyphenated Americans" and "THEM", I guess the Tribe do not see themselves as "Jewish-Americans" or "Jewish-Anything" they are simply "Jews" residing in our country and every other country with loyalty to no group other than their own. 

Years ago a very smart man ahead of his time tried to warn the world about these International Hyenas, unfortunately he met a fate that has befell many men who dare to expose and cast out this wicked tribe of Usurers & Money Changers.

 

 

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NOMO forexskin Thu, 08/02/2018 - 07:51 Permalink

There are real reasons for al of this. Deep ones that go back to the early 1900's. Today it has jumped the base line and has ended up in steroids. Here is a deep dive on the topic https://nomomrniceguy.wordpress.com/2017/11/22/the-altered-states-of-america/

Here is a swim not a dive version --> https://nomomrniceguy.wordpress.com/2018/08/01/here-is-an-adult-political-solution-not-a-4th-grade-meme/

 

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NoDebt Truther Wed, 08/01/2018 - 22:05 Permalink

Article makes it sound like we just need some mild tweaking-and-tuning and we'll be OK.

Afraid the problem goes deeper than that.  If that was the case countries like China (which has significant problems of it's own) would not have employed a long-term strategy that relies in significant part on a lot of waiting, stalemating, and capitalizing on our inevitable decline.  Even THEY know our problems are deep.  They reckon deeper than their own and more acute, to the point they can simply outlast us, even while they struggle with their own issues.

 

 

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