Liberal Hero Chomsky Admits "Israeli Intervention In US Elections Overwhelms Anything Russia Has Done"

Well, this is going to make the weekend's political conversations a little more awkward around America.

As the mainstream media (and even the leftist politicians) begin to back quietly away from the "collusion" narrative, they remain increasingly focused on Russia's "evil" efforts at "meddling" in the US election and "interfering with our democracy," or some such hysterical phrase.

And that is what makes the comments by mainstay of world-renowned political dissident and liberal-thinking hero Noam Chomsky's comments in the following interview with Democracy Now so 'awkward' for the Trump-hating members of society.

...so, take, say, the huge issue of interference in our pristine elections. Did the Russians interfere in our elections? An issue of overwhelming concern in the media. I mean, in most of the world, that’s almost a joke.

First of all, if you’re interested in foreign interference in our elections, whatever the Russians may have done barely counts or weighs in the balance as compared with what another state does, openly, brazenly and with enormous support.

Israeli intervention in U.S. elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done...

I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to try to undermine the president’s policies - what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in 2015....

Did Putin come to give an address to the joint sessions of Congress trying to - calling on them to reverse U.S. policy, without even informing the president? And that’s just a tiny bit of this overwhelming influence.

So if you happen to be interested in influence of - foreign influence on elections, there are places to look. But even that is a joke.

I mean, one of the most elementary principles of a functioning democracy is that elected representatives should be responsive to those who elected them. There’s nothing more elementary than that. But we know very well that that is simply not the case in the United States.

There’s ample literature in mainstream academic political science simply comparing voters’ attitudes with the policies pursued by their representatives, and it shows that for a large majority of the population, they’re basically disenfranchised. Their own representatives pay no attention to their voices. They listen to the voices of the famous 1 percent - the rich and the powerful, the corporate sector.

The elections—Tom Ferguson’s stellar work has demonstrated, very conclusively, that for a long period, way back, U.S. elections have been pretty much bought. You can predict the outcome of a presidential or congressional election with remarkable precision by simply looking at campaign spending. That’s only one part of it. Lobbyists practically write legislation in congressional offices. In massive ways, the concentrated private capital, corporate sector, super wealth, intervene in our elections, massively, overwhelmingly, to the extent that the most elementary principles of democracy are undermined. Now, of course, all that is technically legal, but that tells you something about the way the society functions.

So, if you’re concerned with our elections and how they operate and how they relate to what would happen in a democratic society, taking a look at Russian hacking is absolutely the wrong place to look. Well, you see occasionally some attention to these matters in the media, but very minor as compared with the extremely marginal question of Russian hacking.

And I think we find this on issue after issue, also on issues on which what Trump says, for whatever reason, is not unreasonable. So, he’s perfectly right when he says we should have better relations with Russia.

Being dragged through the mud for that is outlandish, makes - Russia shouldn’t refuse to deal with the United States because the U.S. carried out the worst crime of the century in the invasion of Iraq, much worse than anything Russia has done.

But they shouldn’t refuse to deal with us for that reason, and we shouldn’t refuse to deal with them for whatever infractions they may have carried out, which certainly exist. This is just absurd. We have to move towards better - right at the Russian border, there are very extreme tensions, that could blow up anytime and lead to what would in fact be a terminal nuclear war, terminal for the species and life on Earth. We’re very close to that.

Now, we could ask why. First of all, we should do things to ameliorate it. Secondly, we should ask why. Well, it’s because NATO expanded after the collapse of the Soviet Union, in violation of verbal promises to Mikhail Gorbachev, mostly under Clinton, partly under first Bush, then Clinton expanded right to the Russian border, expanded further under Obama.

The U.S. has offered to bring Ukraine into NATO. That’s the kind of a heartland of Russian geostrategic concerns.

So, yes, there’s tensions at the Russian border - and not, notice, at the Mexican border. Well, those are all issues that should be of primary concern.

The fate of - the fate of organized human society, even of the survival of the species, depends on this. How much attention is given to these things as compared with, you know, whether Trump lied about something? I think those seem to me the fundamental criticisms of the media.

So to sum up - Trump's right about better relations with Russia - the fate of the world depends on it, Russia did nothing of note, Russian hacking is extremely marginal, Israel is the real meddler, US democracy no longer exists, the billionaire corporatocracy runs America.

Is Noam Chomsky a "puppet of Putin"? Did the veteran political dissident just become a "useful idiot"? Well he must be an anti-semite, right? We look forward to Adam Schiff's response to this crushing blow to the left's 'russia-russia-russia' narrative.

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Free This Stan522 Fri, 08/03/2018 - 17:42 Permalink

True that, I say fuck 'em all at this point!

I went up to a bar just now and faced down a m'fer who shoved me, the only thing that saved him was a woman with a baby in her arms behind him, this was a month back.

I reached over extended my hand and shook his hand and grabbed real tight, and said to him, if you ever touch me again I will waste you motherfucker and I don't care about the consequences!

M'fer almost shit his pants! God Damned liberal swine! Idiot - he was even talking about rising up against the right - fucking cross eyed moron!

All you little people downing me, go ahead, it will not change a f'ing thing! Your socialist asses are MINE! I am fucking done playing your little games - come get you some!

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hedgemony rules Free This Fri, 08/03/2018 - 18:22 Permalink

This fucktard, "Free This" (now known as Fuck This) is either a Soros-funded troll or some kind of fucking bot.  Fuck This has been on the board almost 12 hours non-stop today, with over 130 posts, and counting.  Some within the same minute, and on different threads. All nonsense, inflammatory and confrontational.  Don't reply to or address this VD of ZH, maybe it will go away.  Tylers?

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Joe Davola Stan522 Fri, 08/03/2018 - 20:01 Permalink

As I've said before, what country (beside the US) had the most to gain by undermining Hillary?  What country has shown the ability to compromise computer systems with ease?  What country was/is close to Trump?  What country likes pulling off clandestine (and not so clandestine) ops?  I'm not an anti-Zio, but it's hard not to include Israel in a list of possible "interferers" - let alone not place them near the top.

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Stan522 Joe Davola Fri, 08/03/2018 - 20:14 Permalink

Suppose for a moment what you say is absolutely true.... What article on ZH, or any other blogosphere site has shown the evidence and the impact?

 

Besides, I am convinced the USA screws with other elections every fucking single day. That defines what the CIA does... need I go any farther than Victoria Nuland and her bullshit election manipulation in Ukraine. Every county dicks around as best they can with other countries election. I am sure Israel does the same in their best interest, but is that any more EVIL than what Russia does, or what the USA does?

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Arctic Frost beemasters Fri, 08/03/2018 - 20:49 Permalink

 

“Had Mueller been assigned to investigate Israhell collusion, the case would have been closed by now, and both the Democrat and Republican parties would have been shut down. Maybe . . .”

You’re describing an alternate reality called the “everything makes sense, is intelligent and practical” universe. Unfortunately we live in the “we’re fucked” universe;) You must be an anomaly for thinking the way you do, way too intelligent for this reality. You need reconditioning. . . 

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MoreSun Arctic Frost Fri, 08/03/2018 - 22:19 Permalink

We all know that the jews via Aipac, Adl, Aclu, Jwc, Ajc, Zoa and a thousand more jew supremacist foreign agent organizations and their thousands of PACS have an absolute stanglehold on our so-called elected officials as well as the candidates which make it in the running in the first place.

Remove all jew supremacists from all positions of power, no matter how small-NOW!

The Russia ruse is just another jew supremacist concoction to keep the goyim chasing their own tails. Meanwhile, the jews keep destroying our once proud Republic on every level. 

Mass migration is one of their prime destroyers, coupled with their ill gotten Usury. Put the two together and you have one big anti-western jew bomb of bombs. (((They))) have been dropping them daily for many decades.

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Conscious Reviver MoreSun Sat, 08/04/2018 - 01:11 Permalink

Congratulations Noam Chomsky. 

The situation really is ludicrous when the (((media))) and (((congress))) keep blasting Russia yet Zionist Israel manipulation of the American political process is right out in the open. AIPAC funds campaigns. What if a Russian PAC broke the Chosenite privilege and funded campaigns?  What a bunch of trained poodles most Americans are for not calling this out long, long ago. 

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nmewn Conscious Reviver Sat, 08/04/2018 - 06:34 Permalink

Funny how Commie Chomsky didn't bring up Obama's interference in Israeli elections. But I guess that doesn't count or fit certain agenda driven narratives.

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Now wat?!

ObaMao's State Department did not give hundreds of thousands of dollars to One Voice (and by proxy to V15 in Israel) and even loan out one of his campaign staffers to coordinate?

Pretty damned sure he did, Alinskyites ;-)

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lock-stick nmewn Sat, 08/04/2018 - 11:03 Permalink

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bluez MoreSun Sat, 08/04/2018 - 11:39 Permalink

Chomsky has single-handedly ruined at least 50% of science, especially computer science, with his insane theories. Never go full Chomsky. And as everybody should know by now, Amy Goodman is CIA. Let's look at the reality: "Russian election hacking" is a pseudomeme.

What is a "pseudomeme", you may ask? It's a meme that implies something ominous without ever actually saying it, because it's insane. In this instance the "Russian election hacking" implies that the evil Russians have actually hacked Americas absurdly vulnerable voting computers. Which of course I have been screaming against for many years. But while it directly implies this (cf. "computer hacking"), it cannot explicitly state it, since that would imply that "our" voting computers are vulnerable (duh). So what does this pseudomeme directly "say"?

Well, it directly states (via the CIA Media/CIAM) that the Captive American Stupids (CAS's) were in some dark manner manipulated ("hornswoggled") into voting against their own best interests by the evil Russians. This actual notion, of course, is direly insulting to the CAS's themselves, as it implies that they can be socially engineered by dark forces on the other side of the planet. So it certainly can't really mean that. So it must imply that the computers were "hacked". But of course it can't really mean that either. But since we are talking about Captive American Stupids, it must somehow mean both things.

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Superlat bluez Sat, 08/04/2018 - 21:51 Permalink

CHomsky has ruined 50% of science, and most of computer science? The nature of science is one guy doesn't change much. I see science progressing on all fronts. Chomsky is a LINGUIST. He has no effect on medecine or energy research etc etc. I know from my own work that 'computer science' is blazing forward on all fronts.

WTF are you talking about. You obviously have ZERO idea. You must be on some really wild meds. Research THAT science and the side effects of what you're taking.

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jin187 MoreSun Sat, 08/04/2018 - 16:17 Permalink

I don't blame the rich, or the Jews, or the rich Jews in the least.  Trying to buy elections might make them bad people, but it's the responsibility of the public to be informed, and not buy into bullshit.  If the average person is so ignorant, and so gullible, that anyone with a couple of nickels to run together can trick them into wasting their vote, then this country was doomed from the start.

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Superlat MoreSun Sat, 08/04/2018 - 21:49 Permalink

I actually think this is some of why jews may be trying to reduce caucasian purity in the USA and Europe, to keep their number one threat away, which is caucasian competence and know-how. It did them in in Europe in WWI, they don't want a repeat.

THe jews are also masters at other forms of division, racial, gender, class, etc.

That said, I just don't believe the jews run everything in the USA. It just seems preposterous. THere are LOTS of right-wing WASPs and a fair amoount of white and minority liberals with power. ANd the powerful WASPs and jews seem to play well together...so I don't get it exactly.

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dvfco beemasters Sun, 08/05/2018 - 07:05 Permalink

I was taught, from birth, that Congress is ISRAELI OCCUPIED TERRITORY!

At the same time, my parents would've beaten me to death if I expressed racist ideals.

It was never a Jewish issue - it was a Zionist one.

Remember the King David Hotel bombing.

And, sure as shit, the Israeli downing of the USS Liberty should be in every fucking American & World History textbook in the United States.   More importantly, the lack of a response from the United States should be a question everyone should ask themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

That's the top 1/10th of 1%.  Americans should not be anti-Semitic, but should understand the power of the largely aethiest Ashkenazim Zionist lobby in the United States. 

 

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Arctic Frost Stan522 Fri, 08/03/2018 - 20:42 Permalink

 

I like the fact you’re bringing up common sensible questions in a way debate can be had without a person screaming, “It’s the JEWS, It’s the JEWS, just accept it!” I would like to take on the “beware the Jews” message in a much more reasonable stance. Hopefully I don’t offend for my admiration of Israeli character and intelligence is vast. 

 

I agree with your inference that Isreal isn’t “evil” just because it covers it’s interests; however, let’s not be naive. Never underestimate the lengths power will go to retain itself or to gain a more secure position. We see that now in the actions of the DNC and deep state factions and we can see how this can split, manipulate and weaken a powerful nation when it goes unheeded by information centers. Now consider MANY powerful Israelis are dual citizens. They are as powerful in America as they are in Isreal. They are religion based, meaning their devotion and loyalty will ALWAYS be with the state that upholds their god. Lastly, but most importantly they are smart, self sufficient and stable. 

 

I do NOT see them as an enemy to America nor Americans, BUT their interests are their own, ALWAYS. Just as you pointed out how we are no different, remember we involve ourselves in some very evil acts to retain our power or to gain a more secure position. While other countries would be logical to understand we are not evil for this self interest they would be unwise to trust us. I agree Isreal is not evil and I see them as a great powerful ally to America but we would be unwise to trust them. Their interests are not our own, ever. 

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dvfco optimator Sun, 08/05/2018 - 07:12 Permalink

As Trump said on a recent trip about another country, he saw them as 'competitors.'

In the case of Israel, I'd say the most accurate term I could use, regarding our relationship to them, would be "Useful Idiots."  But, I guess that is a "Special Relationship".

Speaking of the recent(?) discovery of Diane Feinstein having a Chinese Spy as a driver for 20+ years, I'll ask one question - CAN YOU FIND A POLITICAL OFFICE AT THE STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL WITHOUT AT LEAST ONE EMPLOYEE WITH ISRAELI CONNECTIONS?  

Let me know.  I always enjoyed the NJ Governor being outed by his head of security as being a homo.   Strange how his 'lover' was a Mossad Agent?!?

What percentage of American Politicians are compromised and beholden to Israel?  I'm guessing it is over 90%.

 

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DjangoCat Arctic Frost Fri, 08/03/2018 - 22:06 Permalink

Sorry to butt in, but wtf:

"they remain increasingly focused on Russia's "evil" efforts at "meddling" in the US election and "interfering with our democracy,""...

This has been the Dims meme since the election.  Now the admin has taken it for their own in a full on move to protect the elections from tampering by those evil Russians.  Thing is, it is not the Russians tampering with elections, it is the cabal.  So, taking the cabal meme of foreign (Russian) tampering with US elections, the admin has gained the upper hand in having a popular (Dim initiated) reason for taking out all election fraud.  Watch for the red wave.

Who wins?  USA/Trump.  Who loses?  The cabal.

#WWG1WGA #MAGA #WINNING

PS Not sure what Arctic Frost is yammering on about.  Sounds like sophistry to me.

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Baron Samedi Arctic Frost Sat, 08/04/2018 - 01:38 Permalink

Soft-pedal jest? Israel (as a real and virtual nation), the tribe it represents, supports, and is supported by is as good a metaphor as one can have for the class of biological parasites that colonize, drain and debilitate their hosts.

Multiple cultures have acquired immunity over time; one can only hope America and Western Europe will survive long enough to acquire this immunity before experiencing societal collapse.  

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Conscious Reviver Baron Samedi Sat, 08/04/2018 - 20:06 Permalink

Baron, it is no metaphor. There is a parasite. 

themillenniumreport.com/2015/03/bibi-baal-beelzebub-just-who-really-is-benjamin-bibi-netanyahu/

"America is a Golden Calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the World’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control.  Why?  Because it’s God’s will and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again, again and again.  This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.”

— Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu

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MoreSun Arctic Frost Sat, 08/04/2018 - 02:50 Permalink

There is no artic-frost in tel aviv where you type this sideways doublespeak that means just what is intended-nothing.

If there is a definition of evil then so-called israel is it-Fact. 

World thievery of every sort, to the extent the world has never seen before emanates from so-called israel.

The gay-trans-sexual-pedophile-lgbtq has its world headquarters in tel aviv, so-called israel. 

It's the assassins refuge for the entire world. so-called israel trains more assassins than it does military medical staff.

So-called israel houses and feeds the biggest surveillance system in the world.  

It trains more spys, operatives and psyops personnel than all Arab nations combined.

It has an nuclear arsenal that has never been evaluated by the U.S. (Kennedy Died for it) or any other world governing body.

So-called israel has carried on a war of genocide against the Palestinian peoples since its evil inception.

and that is a very, very short list of the EVIL that is known as so-called israel.

Yes boys & girls so-called israel is the epitome of EVIL !!

Stop israeli War Crimes Against Humanity -NOW!!!  

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el buitre Stan522 Fri, 08/03/2018 - 21:44 Permalink

Slight correction Stan.  Victoria Noodleman didn't interfere in an election in Ukraine.  She orchestrated a violent coup d'état in which scores of innocent victims were shot dead by Blackwater style mercs, and the elected president had to flee the country for his life.  That is how State and the Company hack a country.

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